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#1 Molly B.

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Posted 30 October 2019 - 05:52 PM

I found the sound quality very difficult to hear but some good arguments were made.  This is a civil lawsuit challenging the FOID Act which is broader in scope than Brown,  Brown case which is  criminial case that is narrow in scope based on the original case arguments.  The GSL case is being heard in IL Appellate Court, Fourth District.  The questioning posed by the judges is very interesting.

 

 

Case No. 4-19-0334

 

This link much easier to hear:  http://s000.tinyuplo...942564648374183


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Posted 30 October 2019 - 06:14 PM

Cant get it to play on my tablet. An alternative link...

http://www.illinoisc...th_District.asp

multimedia.illinois.gov/court/AppellateCourt/Audio/2019/4th/100819_4-19-0334.mp3

Quality is poor with extreme low audio.

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Posted 30 October 2019 - 06:29 PM

Going on the offensive feels good. Bravo GSL

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Posted 30 October 2019 - 07:00 PM

What is this lawsuit about? There is no context here, and the links won't play for me.


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Posted 30 October 2019 - 07:15 PM

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Posted 30 October 2019 - 08:06 PM

Unreal.. all the money the state spends on crap , they cant get a good sound system.


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Posted 30 October 2019 - 08:34 PM

Remrmbrt, Illinois is broke, only enough money for graft and criminal politics.


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Posted 30 October 2019 - 08:42 PM

Well the Justices actually sounded like they were thinking logically...



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Posted 30 October 2019 - 09:42 PM

I found the sound quality very difficult to hear but some good arguments were made.

 

I ran the audio file through a few quicky filters (compressor, hiss reduction, normalizer and converted to mono) nothing to brag about just default filters, but it makes it easier to hear/listen to.

 

http://s000.tinyuplo...942564648374183


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Posted 31 October 2019 - 09:48 AM

 

I found the sound quality very difficult to hear but some good arguments were made.

 

I ran the audio file through a few quicky filters (compressor, hiss reduction, normalizer and converted to mono) nothing to brag about just default filters, but it makes it easier to hear/listen to.

 

http://s000.tinyuplo...942564648374183

 

 

WOW!!!!  Much better, thank you!


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Posted 31 October 2019 - 10:09 AM

Title has typo, guns save lives.
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Posted 31 October 2019 - 10:12 AM

Title has typo, guns save lives.


The title is correct. Guns save life is the organization's name.

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#13 Molly B.

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 10:14 AM



 

Title has typo, guns save lives.

That would be correct grammatically, but it is not the name of the org.


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Posted 31 October 2019 - 10:44 AM

Title has typo, guns save lives.


There's a different organization with that name, but they're not involved in this case.

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 11:22 AM

He may be talking about the safe part. Both organizations start with Guns Save (Guns Save Life v Guns Save Lives) but the thread title says Guns Safe...

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 11:39 AM

Got it.
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Posted 31 October 2019 - 01:58 PM

He may be talking about the safe part. Both organizations start with Guns Save (Guns Save Life v Guns Save Lives) but the thread title says Guns Safe...


Yep, I was talking about the safe part.
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Posted 10 November 2019 - 05:23 PM

Ty for doing the audio fix. I was really enthused at the questions the judges were raising. Let's hope this eventually leads to the end of theb foid.

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 09:36 AM

If this prevails, I can see this idiotic state passing a CA like law, where they require a BC for all ammo purchases.


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Posted 12 November 2019 - 09:54 AM

The State's Attourney has a real condescending attitude, tone and delivery.  There seems to be at least one 2a favorable male judge. 


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Posted 12 November 2019 - 10:15 AM

After listening, IF 'Fix the FOid passes', I think the state is going to have a hard time defending those raises in renewal AND limited to in person at ISP locations as NOT being an undo burden.  Thier whole argument in this case, seems to me, that FOID is constitutional because it isn't an undo burden on a person, assuming they are law abiding.


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Posted 12 November 2019 - 12:30 PM

After listening, IF 'Fix the FOid passes', I think the state is going to have a hard time defending those raises in renewal AND limited to in person at ISP locations as NOT being an undo burden.  Thier whole argument in this case, seems to me, that FOID is constitutional because it isn't an undo burden on a person, assuming they are law abiding.

I thought they dropped the in-person requirement in a later amendment?

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 02:32 PM

 

After listening, IF 'Fix the FOid passes', I think the state is going to have a hard time defending those raises in renewal AND limited to in person at ISP locations as NOT being an undo burden.  Thier whole argument in this case, seems to me, that FOID is constitutional because it isn't an undo burden on a person, assuming they are law abiding.

I thought they dropped the in-person requiremment in a later amendment?

 

Did they?  Maybe so.  Hope so.


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