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#91 mab22

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 08:58 PM

Saving for a multi-purpose shotgun at the moment but based on these videos from Paul Harrell I would be going with 12 gauge bird shot based on damage to meat target and the lack of over penetration to the exterior of the house. My neighbors walls are ~12-15 feet from my exterior on both sides.

Bird shot for home defense video https://youtu.be/zaR1EVybUgc
Shotguns dont s- - k for home defense video https://youtu.be/CiHHgjaR0TI

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 08:59 PM

Saving for a multi-purpose shotgun at the moment but based on these videos from Paul Harrell I would be going with 12 gauge bird shot based on damage to meat target and the lack of over penetration to the exterior of the house. My neighbors walls are ~12-15 feet from my exterior on both sides, none are brick.

Bird shot for home defense video https://youtu.be/zaR1EVybUgc
Shotguns dont s- - k for home defense video https://youtu.be/CiHHgjaR0TI

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 10:53 PM

Birdshot is not lethal in most cases.

Unfortunately anything that's deadly will penetrate multiple sheets of drywall. Be sure of your target and what's beyond isn't just for target shooting.

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 03:40 AM

Remember when VP Cheney shot an aquaintance in the face with birdshot? It took that guy two days to die, and that's only because one pellet lodged just above the victim's heart. Home defense requires more immediacy in cessation on the part of the home invader(s). Paul Harrell will also warn that racking and or firing a shotgun are not enough to reliably deter bad men.

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 06:57 AM

Remember when VP Cheney shot an aquaintance in the face with birdshot? It took that guy two days to die, and that's only because one pellet lodged just above the victim's heart. Home defense requires more immediacy in cessation on the part of the home invader(s). Paul Harrell will also warn that racking and or firing a shotgun are not enough to reliably deter bad men.


Actually, he didn't even die. He had a heart attack related to the pellet you mentioned, but the heart attack wasn't fatal. He's actually alive to this day, at the ripe old age of 91.

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 07:22 AM

I'm thinking 00buck through a 14" barrel.  I should really look at some penetration numbers though...



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Posted 05 October 2018 - 07:32 AM

It's been mentioned a few times, but #4 buckshot is the gold standard for law enforcement due to lower penetration VS lethalness tradeoff.

Buckshot above that is going to be lethal at further ranges, which is good for deer hunting but bad for home defense depending on where you live.

Edited by chicagoresident, 05 October 2018 - 07:32 AM.


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Posted 05 October 2018 - 08:54 AM

According to the report Cheney used a 28 gauge with 7 1/2 birdshot at approximately 30 yards. The video I posted is 12 gauge, bird shot at a few yards. You can clearly see the damage in the video does penetrate the heart.

Here’s the Cheney accident.
http://www.thesmokin...me/see-dick-run

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 11:11 AM

It seems like there are about 4 factors to worry about. 

 

1. You hit your target, will you stop your target?

2. You hit your target, will it go through your target (and if so, how far?)

3 You miss your target, how many interior walls will it go through?

4. You miss your target, how far will the carry down the block if a round go through a window in your house? (and how lethal?)

 

No matter what, "missing" is bad news.  But it sounds like buck-shot (#4) is still the best mix of all the above attributes for a home defense round.

 

I'm a bit smitten with a .300 pistol right now, so I'll look at frangible ammo.  But a shotgun is still on my future list. 



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Posted 07 October 2018 - 11:21 AM

12-gauge semi-auto bullpup loaded with #4 buck

 

https://www.personal...ullpup-shotgun/


 

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Posted 07 October 2018 - 12:11 PM

12-gauge semi-auto bullpup loaded with #4 buck
 
https://www.personal...ullpup-shotgun/


For two or three years, when I was young and stupid, I kept a breakaway, single shot 12 guage loaded with a deer slug, which I planned to go to FIRST, before the 6" barreled Python.

God, I wish I hadn't sold that Python ...

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 05:51 PM

12-gauge semi-auto bullpup loaded with #4 buck

 

https://www.personal...ullpup-shotgun/

That actually sounds like a pretty good HD weapon. Benefits of bullpup while being able to shoot #4. 

 

I wonder what the quality is like?



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Posted 10 October 2018 - 08:51 PM

No reviews yet, but Tim at MAC is a big bullpup fan so I imagine he's going to be coming out with a review soon.

 

He reviewed the DDI Puma so I think he'll do a good review of the Husan


Edited by C0untZer0, 10 October 2018 - 09:01 PM.

 

Mayor Bloomberg himself has recently turned his attention from oversize soft drinks to gun control, confirming the tendency of the Progressive to go from nanny to tyrant.
- N. A. Halkides -
 
“There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters” 
- Daniel Webster -
 
The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. 
- H. L. Mencken -
 
“Any government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have."

 


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Posted 10 October 2018 - 09:06 PM

No reviews yet, but Tim at MAC is a big bullpup fan so I imagine he's going to be coming out with a review soon.
 
He reviewed the DDI Puma so I think he'll do a good review of the Husan


OMG that thing weighs nearly 10 pounds, unloaded! I don't even understand how that can be. The butt should be hollowed out and have springs in there against the butt plate, to lessen recoil, too IMO.

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 09:29 PM

The DDI Puma weighs 8 pounds and has greater OAL.  I'm not sure why the MKA 1923 is 1.7 lbs pounds heavier.  I'm also not sure why they put a 20" barrel on it.  The Bullpup Unlimited conversion kits take a 18.5" 870 down to 28.5" OAL and that's with a cushy recoil pad .   They could have shortened the MKA's 29.5 inches and still put a cushy recoil pad on it.


 

Mayor Bloomberg himself has recently turned his attention from oversize soft drinks to gun control, confirming the tendency of the Progressive to go from nanny to tyrant.
- N. A. Halkides -
 
“There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters” 
- Daniel Webster -
 
The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. 
- H. L. Mencken -
 
“Any government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have."

 


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Posted 13 October 2018 - 11:41 PM

Quick update....just ordered 50 rounds of :

Inceptor Sport Utility Ammunition 300 AAC Blackout 88 Grain SRR Frangible Lead-Free

 

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When it comes in....I'll load 20 rounds in a mag (or 10 rounds in two mags) just to test them out and zero the .300 I'm building.   The remaining 30 rounds will go into a dedicated .300 mag for home defense while I look into to other rounds as well. 

 

MidwayUSA had them on clearance for $28.20 a box (had about 7 boxes left when I ordered).....so $0.56 a round. 



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Posted Yesterday, 08:03 AM

50 BMG. You never know when the invaders might be wearing level IV Body armor. If multiple offenders you can also shoot through 3 of them as they pile through the door. But if your worried about over-penetration or accidentally downing an airliner with an escaping round then some of the aforementioned choices make good backups. /purple Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

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Posted Yesterday, 04:56 PM

9mm AR Pistol. Ridiculously easy to handle, and my wife can operate it comfortably.

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