Charliecat1 Posted May 12, 2015 at 06:19 PM Share Posted May 12, 2015 at 06:19 PM There seems to be quite a few people getting there licenses. Are they only approving applicants that do not get any objections.? I was put under board review a lonnng time ago. They requested 30 more days after 90 days. I even sent prints. I have not received another letter after that additional 30 days ended. If a citizen was caught breaking the law they would not have mercy. They rarely do. The smallest thing, and LEO will objects. It shouldn't take this long to get the people they need. I will yet wait a little longer. Only a little though, then I must take some kind of action. They cannot continue to break the law. I think its all excuses to keep certain people from practicing their rights. If you fall under all the guidelines, your license should be granted to you, simple. But this does not seem to be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jatwood29 Posted May 12, 2015 at 06:45 PM Share Posted May 12, 2015 at 06:45 PM There seems to be quite a few people getting there licenses. Are they only approving applicants that do not get any objections.? I was put under board review a lonnng time ago. They requested 30 more days after 90 days. I even sent prints. I have not received another letter after that additional 30 days ended. If a citizen was caught breaking the law they would not have mercy. They rarely do. The smallest thing, and LEO will objects. It shouldn't take this long to get the people they need. I will yet wait a little longer. Only a little though, then I must take some kind of action. They cannot continue to break the law. I think its all excuses to keep certain people from practicing their rights. If you fall under all the guidelines, your license should be granted to you, simple. But this does not seem to be the case. While I can appreciate your frustration. I cant imagine being caught in this situation. But you have to understand that appointing people to a position is not as easy as most would think. First you have to find people willing to do it that right there is a challenge. Once you find people that are willing they have to qualified under the law. here is an excerpt from the law describing who must make up the board:(1) one commissioner with at least 5 years of serviceas a federal judge;(2) 2 commissioners with at least 5 years of experienceserving as an attorney with the United States Department ofJustice;(3) 3 commissioners with at least 5 years of experienceas a federal agent or employee with investigativeexperience or duties related to criminal justice under theUnited States Department of Justice, Drug EnforcementAdministration, Department of Homeland Security, orFederal Bureau of Investigation; and(4) one member with at least 5 years of experience as alicensed physician or clinical psychologist with expertisein the diagnosis and treatment of mental illness.Now imagine finding people with:1. those qualifications2. are willing to do it3. can make it past the confirmation process to be honest, knowing how fast government can work, I am surprised it only took 5 months. Remember, this is not a conspiracy against you and while it sucks this is life and things happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted May 12, 2015 at 09:46 PM Share Posted May 12, 2015 at 09:46 PM Everyone is doing everything they can.Not really. If they can't meet their statutory time limit they should have to default approve and issue the license. Actually, from what I understand in cases where Constitutional rights are concerned, delay beyond the statutory time limit for such a matter in a jurisdiction could be considered an irreparable harm. “Violation of constitutional rights constitutes irreparable injury as a matter of law.” Springtree Apartments, ALPIC v. Livingston Parish Council, 207 F. Supp. 2d 507, 515 (M.D. La. 2001). "When an alleged constitutional right is involved, most courts hold that no further showing of irreparable injury is necessary.”. 11A Charles Alan Wright, Arthur R. Miller & Mary Kay Kane, Federal Practice and Procedure § 2948.1 (2d Ed. 1995) "We have already determined that the constitutional right of privacy is either threatened or is in fact being impaired and this conclusion mandates a finding of irreparable injury.” Deerfield Medical Ctr. v. City of Deerfield Beach, 661 F.2d. 328 (5th Cir. 1981)—So, if the right to keep and bear arms is threatened or impaired, that's also an irreparable injury, being that Constitutional rights are equal. "The loss of First Amendment freedoms, even for minimal periods of time, unquestionably constitutes irreparable injury.” Elrod v. Burns, 427 U.S. 347, 373 (1976)—So, why would the loss of Second Amendment freedoms, even for minimal periods of time, be any different? Therefore, might I calmly suggest . . . Lawyer! Lawyer! Lawyer! Lawyer! LAWYER! LAWYER! LAWYER! LAWYER! LAWYER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliecat1 Posted May 12, 2015 at 09:53 PM Share Posted May 12, 2015 at 09:53 PM I agree, this is life, and things do happen. This is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA with all the education in this country and crime, finding those few people to do a Job that you or I capable of doing, should be a peace of pie,,,. Let me spell it out for you, it seems that you don't understand my frustration, and thank you, I appreciate you appreciating my frustration, but understand. The law is the law, no one is above it. This country is built on laws and statutes and Judgments. Hmm. I hope you get the picture. I will be patient though. Crap does happen. I hope they take action soon, patience is indeed a virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliecat1 Posted May 12, 2015 at 09:56 PM Share Posted May 12, 2015 at 09:56 PM Amen to that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jatwood29 Posted May 13, 2015 at 07:52 PM Share Posted May 13, 2015 at 07:52 PM I agree, this is life, and things do happen. This is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA with all the education in this country and crime, finding those few people to do a Job that you or I capable of doing, should be a peace of pie,,,. Let me spell it out for you, it seems that you don't understand my frustration, and thank you, I appreciate you appreciating my frustration, but understand. The law is the law, no one is above it. This country is built on laws and statutes and Judgments. Hmm. I hope you get the picture. I will be patient though. Crap does happen. I hope they take action soon, patience is indeed a virtue.You or I are capable of??? I'm not sure about that. I know I dont know the law or court proceedings for all the states to be able to interpret complaints, charges, and convictions. (remember, an Illinois resident in this position may have something that was another state that triggers the CCLRB) I dont think I could do the job, and further more (the one part that you are overlooking) I would not want to. I am sure that the majority of the people that hold the qualifications to be on this board have much better more lucrative things to do than involve themselves with this mess. I just see them (the state) being turned down time after time. Im not saying your feelings are wrong. I am not saying that they are right. What I have a hard time with is when people say that X,Y, or Z should be easy when they have never been in that boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliecat1 Posted May 14, 2015 at 12:06 AM Share Posted May 14, 2015 at 12:06 AM Do you have your Illinois CCL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stm Posted May 14, 2015 at 03:50 AM Share Posted May 14, 2015 at 03:50 AM I've heard from a reliable source that the new CCLRB will have about 900 cases to review when they finally get started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted May 14, 2015 at 12:35 PM Share Posted May 14, 2015 at 12:35 PM At least that many, if not more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted May 14, 2015 at 03:05 PM Share Posted May 14, 2015 at 03:05 PM At least a couple of dozen will be those involved in the lawsuit we won, Thomann vs ISP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hap Posted May 14, 2015 at 04:12 PM Share Posted May 14, 2015 at 04:12 PM Are we seeing a decline in the rate of bogus objections from Cook County? The overall rejection rate as reported by kwc seems to indicate that things are starting to settle down but the bulk #s don't reveal everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtr100 Posted May 14, 2015 at 05:37 PM Share Posted May 14, 2015 at 05:37 PM back when the board was running how many cases did they work through in a hour? I'm thinking 5 would be a lot. poor folks in the 'queue' going to be a long wait ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted May 14, 2015 at 05:53 PM Share Posted May 14, 2015 at 05:53 PM The new board members, along with their chief legal counsel have committed to working long and hard to get through the backlog as quickly as possible. When the new chief came on board last Oct., there was a worse backlog and they had it caught up by Dec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLOCK22 Posted May 14, 2015 at 06:09 PM Share Posted May 14, 2015 at 06:09 PM So those of us that are NOT under board review, but ARE showing "approved" status are just being left to sit for 90-120 days "because they can"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted May 14, 2015 at 06:11 PM Share Posted May 14, 2015 at 06:11 PM You are talking about two different departments that do very different work. If you read back through the topics on this issue, you will see there are almost endless reasons why some applications take longer than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcfire67 Posted May 27, 2015 at 02:06 AM Share Posted May 27, 2015 at 02:06 AM I have gotten one letter Feb 24th informing me my application went under board review and they need 30 more days. I have heard nothing since then. I'm now over 120 days with prints. That was sure a waste of 60 bucks, somehow the states negligence to follow their own statues seems to cost me senseless cash... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted May 27, 2015 at 02:26 AM Share Posted May 27, 2015 at 02:26 AM I have gotten one letter Feb 24th informing me my application went under board review and they need 30 more days. I have heard nothing since then. I'm now over 120 days with prints. That was sure a waste of 60 bucks, somehow the states negligence to follow their own statues seems to cost me senseless cash... Unfortunately, there was no board to review the law enforcement objection to your application until just this last week. The new board received their orientation and training this past week and are already hard at work on the backlog of reviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephengips Posted May 27, 2015 at 11:59 AM Share Posted May 27, 2015 at 11:59 AM Unfortunately, there was no board to review the law enforcement objection to your application until just this last week. The new board received their orientation and training this past week and are already hard at work on the backlog of reviews. Since we have a review board now is there a time frame for the backlog. Will they start with the cases that were remanded back to first. I'm sure they had backlog before then. I know it will take some time just would like will it be a month or two or will we be waiting to next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted May 27, 2015 at 12:23 PM Share Posted May 27, 2015 at 12:23 PM The court ordered remands will be reviewed first. I'm sure we're looking a months not years to catch up. The new chief legal counsel for the board takes the backlog very serious and She's a hard worker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted May 27, 2015 at 03:17 PM Share Posted May 27, 2015 at 03:17 PM A little common sense would have kept the previous board intact until the new board was appointed, trained and ready to work. I'm generally of the viewpoint that the state isn't really out to get us like many believe, but things like this really make a person wonder sometimes. Whether willful infringement or a complete lack of foresight and planning... either case is a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted May 27, 2015 at 03:21 PM Share Posted May 27, 2015 at 03:21 PM Lol, they weren't planning on all those old board members jumping ship and the definitely weren't planning on a new governor getting elected and replacing all the rest. This delay is not good, but when we get through it we will be sitting in a much better place than we could have ever hoped! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renegade001 Posted May 27, 2015 at 04:57 PM Share Posted May 27, 2015 at 04:57 PM The court ordered remands will be reviewed first. I'm sure we're looking a months not years to catch up. The new chief legal counsel for the board takes the backlog very serious and She's a hard worker!Any chance I might have my permit in hand by this summer? Chicago is turning violent and it's not summer yet. Currently under board review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcfire67 Posted May 27, 2015 at 08:57 PM Share Posted May 27, 2015 at 08:57 PM Lol, they weren't planning on all those old board members jumping ship and the definitely weren't planning on a new governor getting elected and replacing all the rest. This delay is not good, but when we get through it we will be sitting in a much better place than we could have ever hoped! That just seems pretty silly they weren't "planning" for a new governor. Isn't that what happens after elections, potentially new governor? If this state were a business it would have shut its doors already due to the lack of competence and morals in our administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwc Posted May 27, 2015 at 09:33 PM Share Posted May 27, 2015 at 09:33 PM Given the alternative, I think we came out ahead (at least in the long run). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polyestaplaya Posted May 31, 2015 at 03:03 AM Share Posted May 31, 2015 at 03:03 AM I dont know if anyone saw this, check it out. http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/07/16/state-police-to-explain-denials-of-concealed-carry-permits/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwc Posted May 31, 2015 at 03:17 AM Share Posted May 31, 2015 at 03:17 AM The article is a bit dated now (from July) but represented a significant improvement in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted May 31, 2015 at 03:30 AM Share Posted May 31, 2015 at 03:30 AM (1) one commissioner with at least 5 years of serviceas a federal judge;(2) 2 commissioners with at least 5 years of experienceserving as an attorney with the United States Department ofJustice;(3) 3 commissioners with at least 5 years of experienceas a federal agent or employee with investigativeexperience or duties related to criminal justice under theUnited States Department of Justice, Drug EnforcementAdministration, Department of Homeland Security, orFederal Bureau of Investigation; and(4) one member with at least 5 years of experience as alicensed physician or clinical psychologist with expertisein the diagnosis and treatment of mental illness. (1) Except for retirees who are bored, who would give up a lifetime job for a contract job? Why are state judges not qualified?(2) and (3) Eric Holder's cronies. And what about the state of Illinois state's attorney's office? What, Lisa's cronies don't get a crack at the job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamma Posted May 31, 2015 at 04:40 AM Share Posted May 31, 2015 at 04:40 AM Whether willful infringement or a complete lack of foresight and planning... either case is a problem.See sigline. It extends beyond the FCCA as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken911 Posted June 3, 2015 at 08:56 AM Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 at 08:56 AM Has anyone that has been remanded back to the cclrb or has an leo objection been reviewed by the board yet ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephengips Posted June 3, 2015 at 12:09 PM Share Posted June 3, 2015 at 12:09 PM No I received my letter March 27th. Responsed to the Cclrb on April 5th. Now it's June 3rd. I have not heard anything yet. I know they had to put a board together but how long is going to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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