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#31 Jeffrey

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 09:52 AM

Smells fishy.

 

I'd be dialing 911 if they pulled back up to the house.


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 10:13 AM

Smells very fishy indeed. I would report it asap. If they tried to scam you, how many others do you suppose they hit?

Why would they leave the note? instead of just returning later and hope to get you to answer the door?



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Posted 08 January 2018 - 10:16 AM

Can you post the vid? So the rest of us know what to look out for, if Crook County is up to no good. Or if it's some thugs looking to steal some firearms. 



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Posted 08 January 2018 - 10:19 AM

Have you been to the range lately?  Could someone have followed you home from the range to see where you live and got your address?  Sounds like a scam to get your guns.  This also makes me worry about unwanted visitors coming for your guns.

 

Try googling your address without the city and see if your address shows up in another town in CC.  Also try googling your name and see if you show up with another CC address.  This is possible.  Years ago the CPD issued a warrant for my dad for leaving the seen of a fatal accident.  The location was in Englewood, the car was totally wrong and my dad was at work at the time (my dad was a trucker and his logbook showed making a delivery 50 miles away 5 minutes after the accident).  Yet the warrant had my dad's name and address on it.


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 10:21 AM

Another thing I have not seen mentioned is to contact the CCSP IAD and file a complaint. If they are possibly impersonating and using the name of an actual officer, I'm sure CCSP would want to know about it.

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 11:00 AM

This highly, highly smacks of a scam, from the badly photocopied letter, to the non govt vehicle.  But, what really makes me think scam is twofold.  OP sys he lives in DuPage County.  Assuming his FOID matches that (i.e. he didn't move recently and forget to update), they would have no jurisdiction here, regardless of http://illinoisrevie...foid-cards.html.  The other is, why no follow up by the CCSPD?

 

OP did you at least do a white pages lookup on the number they wrote in on the bottom?

My address was changed 4 yrs ago and its up to date on my FOID and CCL. My follow up with CCSPD did not answer any questions. The phone number on the note is a cell phone that does not ring at all. It goes straight to voicemail that has not been setup.



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Posted 08 January 2018 - 11:08 AM

OP indicated at current location in DuPage 4 years. Did you ever live in Cook County previously?

 

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 11:32 AM

At this point I would get a lawyer, report the incident to local LE + ISP, report the FOID as stolen, and apply for a replacement. Until you have some reason to think the people you dealt with were legit, I'd keep Cook County out of it. But mostly, get a lawyer and follow his advice.

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 11:34 AM

This is truly scary. It sure feels like a scam...but I wouldn't rule out shenanigans by the Cook Sheriff.

I'd think if a person's FOID was really required by a LEO agency, they'd have someone lurk at your house until you came home. Whomever it is, I bet they didn't count on you having a surveillance cam.



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Posted 08 January 2018 - 11:38 AM

I feel like I'm posting on a Tribune comment section.  Could you please at least give a description of the 3 guys?  I can understand you might not want to post the video but for the rest of us, we'd like to know who to watch out for that could be coming to one of our front doors next.


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 12:00 PM

How about posting a still picture or two from the video? This sounds like a very clever/dangerous scam. Don't answer the door for anyone you don't know even if you live in Dupage County, Lake County, "my neighborhood is wonderful because it's not chicago"....etc. because everything has changed. The garbage travels anywhere they want looking for any opportunity...even a police profiling law suit.



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Posted 08 January 2018 - 12:09 PM

Hey guys. Thanks for all the suggestions. At this point I can't post any screenshot or video because ISP needs to do some investigation on this. I will provide all info to them and see what they find out. I will keep you posted whenever I have any news.

 

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Edited by jolebole, 08 January 2018 - 12:09 PM.


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 12:27 PM

Smells fishy.
 
I'd be dialing 911 if they pulled back up to the house.

Yeah, even if they are valid CCSD and regardless if working on bad or good info, I'd ask for my own local PD to come check it out if they return.

Edited by InterestedBystander, 08 January 2018 - 12:29 PM.

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 12:42 PM

Also, maybe a cop ran your plate while you were out on the road somewhere and someone listening to the scanner wrote down your info when the name, address, "active ccl" was broadcast back to the cop in the car, and started the scam from there?

 

edit

When the ccl first came out, I listened to the chicago frequencies available online and heard this play out live more than a few times.


Edited by jim123, 08 January 2018 - 12:45 PM.


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 01:10 PM

I sent this to the ISP e-mail and got this response

Thank you for contacting the Illinois State Police (ISP). I will be sure
to forward your concerns to our FOID section.

Respectfully,
Master Sergeant Link
Illinois State Police
Public Information Office



From:
To: Contact_ISP@isp.state.il.us,
Date: 01/08/2018 06:37 AM
Subject: Email Sent to Contact ISP regarding - Other Inquiry




NAME
EMAIL
DAYTIME PHONE

COMMENT / QUESTION
Ask ISP - Other Inquiry -
there is a thread about somewhat suspicions attempts to get a man to
surrender his foid card. Thought the ISP might be interested

http://illinoiscarry...showtopic=67552


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 01:13 PM

I sent this to the ISP e-mail and got this response


I realize you were trying to be helpful but it's probably not the best thing to do since it is second hand information and the original poster has already started the investigation. There may be more information that the OP only wishes to share with law enforcement, and if theres an active investigation that takes place the ISP may want this thread removed.

Edited by chicagoresident, 08 January 2018 - 01:16 PM.


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 01:15 PM

Probably not the best thing to do since it is second hand information and the original poster has already started the investigation.


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 01:29 PM

this is pretty scary.


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 04:39 PM

How do you know that these guy were really deputies and not some criminals using phony uniforms and forged paperwork? Criminals could impersonate law enforcement officers and potentially confiscate guns and ammo as well as a FOID card. Criminals could probably alter a FOID card to enable them to buy guns and/or ammo.


I really cant know for sure. That same question is bothering me too. I have a video of the 20min visit. I can share it via PM if you like to see it. I live in a very decent area of DuPage county where police is present everywhere (160k population). It would be very risky for outsiders to impersonate law enforcement officers in the middle of the day next to a very busy street. 


Wait...You're in DuPage?!

Total scam job. Call the...gulp...ATF...as well as ISP and report the attempted theft.

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 04:42 PM

 

How do you know that these guy were really deputies and not some criminals using phony uniforms and forged paperwork? Criminals could impersonate law enforcement officers and potentially confiscate guns and ammo as well as a FOID card. Criminals could probably alter a FOID card to enable them to buy guns and/or ammo.


I really cant know for sure. That same question is bothering me too. I have a video of the 20min visit. I can share it via PM if you like to see it. I live in a very decent area of DuPage county where police is present everywhere (160k population). It would be very risky for outsiders to impersonate law enforcement officers in the middle of the day next to a very busy street. 


Wait...You're in DuPage?!

Total scam job. Call the...gulp...ATF...as well as ISP and report the attempted theft.

 

But how did he get found out as a foid card holder???



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Posted 08 January 2018 - 06:03 PM

 

But how did he get found out as a foid card holder???

 

Friends, relatives, neighbors, acquaintances may know he has guns.  He could be a hunter or has talked about going to the range to shoot.  As noted by many this could have been a scam to get his guns or other sinister motive.  It could even have been an attempt at a poor practical joke.  It could possibly have been a wrong address or similar names.  It appears that the OP is taking the proper steps.  



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Posted 08 January 2018 - 06:09 PM

How do you know that these guy were really deputies and not some criminals using phony uniforms and forged paperwork? Criminals could impersonate law enforcement officers and potentially confiscate guns and ammo as well as a FOID card. Criminals could probably alter a FOID card to enable them to buy guns and/or ammo.
I really cant know for sure. That same question is bothering me too. I have a video of the 20min visit. I can share it via PM if you like to see it. I live in a very decent area of DuPage county where police is present everywhere (160k population). It would be very risky for outsiders to impersonate law enforcement officers in the middle of the day next to a very busy street.


Wait...You're in DuPage?!
Total scam job. Call the...gulp...ATF...as well as ISP and report the attempted theft.
But how did he get found out as a foid card holder???

Followed home from gun store, Facebook. Lotsa ways.

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 06:36 PM

Maybe when he hung that deer carcass in his front lawn ?   :D


 

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 06:41 PM

I wonder if it is actually Cook County officers going off reservation, or if it is someone running a scam trying to get documents to counterfeit and use to buy firearms illegally?


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 06:45 PM

I suspect it is a scam to get his guns.   


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 06:50 PM


This highly, highly smacks of a scam, from the badly photocopied letter, to the non govt vehicle.  But, what really makes me think scam is twofold.  OP sys he lives in DuPage County.  Assuming his FOID matches that (i.e. he didn't move recently and forget to update), they would have no jurisdiction here, regardless of The other is, why no follow up by the CCSPD?
 
OP did you at least do a white pages lookup on the number they wrote in on the bottom?


My address was changed 4 yrs ago and its up to date on my FOID and CCL. My follow up with CCSPD did not answer any questions. The phone number on the note is a cell phone that does not ring at all. It goes straight to voicemail that has not been setup.

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 06:51 PM

I would be sure that the local police/sheriff and the ISP have make a official report on this and that I have a copy of what I can get from them. Documentation is what I am talking about. That way if they come back and some how are official (I doubt that) you have prove that you are trying to find out what the cranberry is going on. I would be careful about spreading the video around since it could be evidence of a crime and you don't want to taint it. Talking to a lawyer would also be a good idea. When a lawyer contacts folks, they tend to pay more attention.

 

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 06:55 PM

Sorry. Something here just isn’t right.

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 07:24 PM

I wouldnt answer the door if they came back. I would also invest in a good dash cam for your car and your wife.


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 07:57 PM

There's this thing called jurisdictions. A Cook County Sheriff has no ability to serve notice or arrest outside of the jurisdiction of the office they represent. They can only retain powers while in fresh pursuit or if acting on a call for assistance from an agency with jurisdiction. Personally, I'd make a royal stink about it with local PD.
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