InterestedBystander Posted March 19, 2019 at 05:09 PM Share Posted March 19, 2019 at 05:09 PM full story at link https://www.illinoisreview.com/illinoisreview/2019/03/illinois-lawmakers-consider-ban-on-county-resolutions-upholding-second-amendment-rights.html ILLINOIS LAWMAKERS CONSIDER BAN ON SANCTUARY RESOLUTIONS UPHOLDING 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS ...SPRINGFIELD - The Democrats are upset that a growing number of Illinois counties are challenging their ideas to control guns throughout the state. So much so, they're working on an effort to stop counties from balking state laws they believe limit Second Amendment rights. Within days of his inauguration, Gov. JB Pritzker pleased his gun control supporters by placing additional restrictions on Illinois gun shops. As a result, several gun shops are reporting to be closing their doors - exactly what the gun control advocates hoped would happen. So one by one, elected officials within over 60 Illinois counties have agreed to stand up against state lawmakers restrictions by resolving not to enforce any laws that would infringe on American citizens' constitutional right to keep and bear arms. HB 3553, sponsored by freshman Democrat Terra Costa Howard, is a measure to stop the Second Amendment movement from building steam against the Leftist Progressive at the State Capitol - although many say it's too late. The movement is big and growing. The bill is scheduled to be heard in the Illinois House's Judiciary - Criminal Committee Tuesday, March 19, at 5:00 PM. It says that a county or municipality "may not pass an ordinance or resolution restricting enforcement of any State law or regulation concerning the ownership or use of firearms unless permitted to do so under the express provisions of the law or regulation." Effingham County board member Dave Campbell, who has been at the forefront of protecting Second Amendment rights with county resolutions, worked with his state's attorney to put together their county's Second Amendment resolution. Campbell was aware of the legislation being proposed to stop the resolutions, and was curious just how lawmakers would address Howard's bill. "Will state lawmakers vote to uphold Second Amendment rights? Or will they vote against locals declaring sanctuaries against state policies while Chicago and Cook County oppose federal laws concerning illegal immigration?" Campbell asked Illinois Review.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
357 Posted March 19, 2019 at 05:32 PM Share Posted March 19, 2019 at 05:32 PM They can't undo what they started. Sanctuary cities for me but not for thee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots & Tyrants Posted March 19, 2019 at 05:35 PM Share Posted March 19, 2019 at 05:35 PM Sanctuary cities/counties for illegal immigrants good; sanctuary cities/counties for guns bad...what a world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
357 Posted March 19, 2019 at 05:54 PM Share Posted March 19, 2019 at 05:54 PM Sanctuary cities/counties for illegal immigrants good; sanctuary cities/counties for guns bad...what a world.Sanctuary counties for the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment of the Bill of Rights bad, sanctuary states and cities ignoring and breaking Federal laws good in progressive's minds. Way to sell out the country for temporary power until they become the minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted March 19, 2019 at 06:26 PM Share Posted March 19, 2019 at 06:26 PM Another law the 2nd sanctuary counties can ignore on the same Constitutional grounds as the gun laws they choose to ignore, wouldn't it be a hoot if the state took the counties to court and the court ruled that sanctuary proclimations and ignoring higher laws is illegal, in turn making all the illegal immigrant sanctuary proclamations as well as the medical marijuana laws also illegal? That folks is what you call shooting your own foot and I believe Illinois is arrogant enough to do it. Or the opposite happens (likely) and the courts say that prosecutors have the authority to pick and choose who they prosecute, mooting Illinois from saying they can't be a 2nd sanctuary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G214me Posted March 19, 2019 at 06:44 PM Share Posted March 19, 2019 at 06:44 PM The 2nd Amendment sanctuary counties need to stay strong and make it clear... the 2nd Amendment shall not be infringed PERIOD. we need to be all over our Reps and Senators about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWildman Posted March 19, 2019 at 07:00 PM Share Posted March 19, 2019 at 07:00 PM Such things as these will likely go to the Supreme Court, as a determination as to whether the States are able to pass laws contrary to and that supersede those amendments within the Constitution. As such they should all be laid waste, through their contradiction with the Constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagt48 Posted March 19, 2019 at 07:22 PM Share Posted March 19, 2019 at 07:22 PM Such things as these will likely go to the Supreme Court, as a determination as to whether the States are able to pass laws contrary to and that supersede those amendments within the Constitution. As such they should all be laid waste, through their contradiction with the Constitution. Didn't Congress and the states already address this with the 14th amendment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted March 19, 2019 at 07:29 PM Share Posted March 19, 2019 at 07:29 PM Such things as these will likely go to the Supreme Court, as a determination as to whether the States are able to pass laws contrary to and that supersede those amendments within the Constitution. As such they should all be laid waste, through their contradiction with the Constitution. Didn't Congress and the states already address this with the 14th amendment? It appears many State's don't consider it settled until the Supreme Court specifically applies it to each and every topic in the Constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJoe Posted March 19, 2019 at 08:13 PM Share Posted March 19, 2019 at 08:13 PM This is bananas. So Shicago and Crook County can have a resolution in support of illegal immigrants, but we cant in support of the Bill or Rights? This just gets worse every day. Where does this end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G214me Posted March 19, 2019 at 09:47 PM Share Posted March 19, 2019 at 09:47 PM This is bananas. So Shicago and Crook County can have a resolution in support of illegal immigrants, but we cant in support of the Bill or Rights? This just gets worse every day. Where does this end?Yep, They want to pick what works for them while pushing their sick agenda on everyone else. obviously illegal aliens are more important to the state than law abiding citizens and the Constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RECarry Posted March 19, 2019 at 09:58 PM Share Posted March 19, 2019 at 09:58 PM Disgusted by the double standard. The exodus of taxpayers and employers will continue, and the left's imaginary "Modern Society Utopia" will forever be out of reach for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted March 19, 2019 at 11:33 PM Share Posted March 19, 2019 at 11:33 PM This is bananas. So Shicago and Crook County can have a resolution in support of illegal immigrants, but we cant in support of the Bill or Rights? This just gets worse every day. Where does this end?Where does it end? As with all socialist countries when you run out of other people’s money to spend. Look to Venezuela as an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1700715 Posted March 20, 2019 at 12:43 AM Share Posted March 20, 2019 at 12:43 AM Will state lawmakers vote to uphold Second Amendment rights? Or will they vote against locals declaring sanctuaries against state policies while Chicago and Cook County oppose federal laws concerning illegal immigration?" Campbell asked Illinois Review.... Well , of course they will. Because if it was not for double standards Democrats would have no standards at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
357 Posted March 20, 2019 at 12:51 AM Share Posted March 20, 2019 at 12:51 AM Such things as these will likely go to the Supreme Court, as a determination as to whether the States are able to pass laws contrary to and that supersede those amendments within the Constitution. As such they should all be laid waste, through their contradiction with the Constitution. Didn't Congress and the states already address this with the 14th amendment? It appears many State's don't consider it settled until the Supreme Court specifically applies it to each and every topic in the Constitution.The Supreme Court already ruled in 2010 that it applies to the States. "McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 742 (2010), is a landmark decision of the Supreme Court of the United States that found that the right of an individual to "keep and bear arms," as protected under the Second Amendment, is incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment against the states." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted March 20, 2019 at 01:03 AM Share Posted March 20, 2019 at 01:03 AM The Supreme Court already ruled in 2010 that it applies to the States."McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 742 (2010), is a landmark decision of the Supreme Court of the United States that found that the right of an individual to "keep and bear arms," as protected under the Second Amendment, is incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment against the states." And yet the US Supreme Court just a few weeks back had to inform Indiana that the 8th applied to states as well because of the 14th, after the Indiana Supreme Court ruled that it didn't apply because the US Supreme Court hadn't weighed in on that cause specifically, thus my comment that the sates will continue to be arrogant and willfully ignorant in regards to the 14ths applications, especially in regards to sanctuary proclamations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyk101 Posted March 20, 2019 at 01:08 AM Share Posted March 20, 2019 at 01:08 AM I may not be understanding this quite right but the way I see it, if a County has declared their County a sanctuary for 2nd Amendment rights, it was originally in opposition to state laws in the first place. It really shouldn't matter if the state passes 1000 more anti 2nd amendment laws. Sanctuary from state gun laws should be just that. They should stick to their guns, no pun intended... And I agree with the above about a legal challenge. Call their bluff and let the state get this into the Federal Court system. I too would love to see this get to the Supreme Coury and put an end to all sactuary policies across the board and across the country. Maybe this would help get these problems corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tip Posted March 20, 2019 at 01:29 AM Share Posted March 20, 2019 at 01:29 AM We just need someone with a set to step up with an Amendment to the bill changing the wording From: Amends the Counties Code and the Illinois Municipal Code. Provides that a county or municipality may not pass an ordinance or resolution restricting enforcement of any State law or regulation concerning the ownership or use of firearms unless permitted to do so under the express provisions of the law or regulation. Defines "firearm". Limits home rule powers. To something like: Amends the Counties Code and the Illinois Municipal Code. Provides that a county or municipality may not pass an ordinance or resolution restricting enforcement of any State or Federal law or regulation concerning the ownership or use of firearms, immigration to the US, or the possession or use of Federally regulated drugs unless permitted to do so under the express provisions of the law or regulation. Defines "firearm". Defines “illegal immigrant”. Defines “marijuana and it’s derivatives”. Limits home rule powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted March 20, 2019 at 02:37 AM Share Posted March 20, 2019 at 02:37 AM Sanctuary cities/counties for illegal immigrants good; sanctuary cities/counties for guns bad...what a world. Illegal aliens are not immigrants. Sanctuary cities for them is because cronies must have their cheap labor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted March 20, 2019 at 03:17 AM Share Posted March 20, 2019 at 03:17 AM Sanctuary cities for them is because cronies must have their cheap labor. And inflated census numbers that skew their federal elected representation and afford them better cuts of federal funds among other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G214me Posted March 20, 2019 at 03:28 AM Share Posted March 20, 2019 at 03:28 AM Sanctuary cities for them is because cronies must have their cheap labor. And inflated census numbers that skew their federal elected representation and afford them better cuts of federal funds among other things. And the Democrats are always pushing for instant citizenship or at least the right to vote and no voter ID laws so they can keep getting re elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sctman800 Posted March 20, 2019 at 09:14 AM Share Posted March 20, 2019 at 09:14 AM Flynn said "And inflated census numbers that skew their federal elected representation and afford them better cuts of federal funds among other things." This is an angle I had never thought about until someone mentioned it recently. It actually makes a lot of sense about why the liberals want more illegals in the country and state and cook county. Then you add in the potential democrat votes they plan to add and this seems bigger than cheap labor. Jim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTX63 Posted March 20, 2019 at 09:54 AM Share Posted March 20, 2019 at 09:54 AM Seems like having read the constitution, the bill of rights and the federalist papers would be a fair prerequisite to becoming a congressmen.I'm not sure it would reduce the piles of ignorant and illegal bills that get thrown into the pot, but at least we would be certain we weren't dealing with the uninformed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G214me Posted March 20, 2019 at 01:47 PM Share Posted March 20, 2019 at 01:47 PM Flynn said "And inflated census numbers that skew their federal elected representation and afford them better cuts of federal funds among other things." This is an angle I had never thought about until someone mentioned it recently. It actually makes a lot of sense about why the liberals want more illegals in the country and state and cook county. Then you add in the potential democrat votes they plan to add and this seems bigger than cheap labor. Jim.Yep, And they need to do this for 2 reasons 1) Because they've lost some of the black voters and many black people ( at least ones I know ) are fully aware that Democrats are all promises and love until after the election and then they deliver nothing. they've left the Democrat plantation. 2) As the leftist wackos get more prominent in the Democrat party they're scaring away the average person that has always voted Democrat. This applies to especially the older voters. I know life long blue collar democrats that are pretty conservative socially and don't want gun control, look at socialism as something for non working lazy bums, are pro life, etc. The Democrats need new people to vote for them and false promises of the American dream for Illegals is the fraud they're using right now. other than that they could give a rats *** about immigrants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanc Posted March 20, 2019 at 09:14 PM Share Posted March 20, 2019 at 09:14 PM What is the legal impact of a county's "Resolution"? Isn't that just a formal position statement, reflective of the community? Does this legislation change the county's chief law enforcement officer's powers? If it does, then that's an issue, but short of that, this HB is nothing more than another way Democrats want to impose their speech/thought control on others: "You can't say that", "You can't resolve to protect your citizens 2nd Amendment rights!". Impotent braying meant for a fund-raiser letter to her constituents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G214me Posted March 20, 2019 at 09:28 PM Share Posted March 20, 2019 at 09:28 PM What is the legal impact of a county's "Resolution"? Isn't that just a formal position statement, reflective of the community? Does this legislation change the county's chief law enforcement officer's powers? If it does, then that's an issue, but short of that, this HB is nothing more than another way Democrats want to impose their speech/thought control on others: "You can't say that", "You can't resolve to protect your citizens 2nd Amendment rights!". Impotent braying meant for a fund-raiser letter to her constituents.At the very least it means the sheriffs office won't go after law abiding citizens or help the ISP in doing so. and the SA office won't file charges so it throws a wrench into the LWW plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yurimodin Posted March 20, 2019 at 10:52 PM Share Posted March 20, 2019 at 10:52 PM they can just grow a pair and come get some already..............sorry but I don't think one more email is going to convince these communists to stand by their oath of office. Wanna make me a felon for an 11 round magazine????? go ahead, I will drag the court case out AS LONG AND AS EXPENSIVE AS POSSIBLE. Then while I'm on my extended vacation from paying taxes to this broke crap-hole of a state I will file EVERY SINGLE form of appeal, grievance, complaint, civil liberties violation etc, AND get all the free healthcare possible to drain the coffers of the gubbament employee pension funds. Oh and then once I am out I won't have to worry about any pesky paperwork anymore /rant off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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