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#1 Just some guy

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 09:14 AM

A response from the Senator regarding a request that she support National Reciprocity:

 

Dear Neighbor,
 

Thank you for contacting me to share your thoughts on gun ownership. I appreciate you taking the time to make me aware of your concerns on this matter.

My military background gives me a unique perspective on the capabilities and functions of firearms. I fully respect the gun ownership rights the Second Amendment guarantees and will continue to protect them. We can and must take pragmatic steps to prevent gun trafficking and institute harsher penalties for those who steal firearms or illegally purchase them for others. I believe we can safeguard our communities by enhancing our methods for tracking the sale and purchase of guns and closing loopholes around background checks. 

Generally, the laws and regulations governing who is permitted to carry a concealed firearm are established at the state-level. Eligibility standards vary widely among the states. For example, Illinois law requires concealed carry applicants to undergo hours of training, pass multiple background checks and obtain a Firearm Owners Identification card to be approved for a concealed firearm permit. This is in stark contrast to states with lower standards or those states that allow residents to purchase and carry concealed firearms with no permit at all.   

If enacted, the Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act, would override state laws and establish a Federal mandate forcing all 50 states to provide reciprocity for any state-issued concealed carry permit. For example, Illinois would be forced to accept another state’s concealed carry permit, even if that state does not require applicants to pass a background check or complete firearms training. This bill was introduced by Senator John Cornyn of Texas and currently resides with the Senate Judiciary Committee. If this legislation comes to the Senate floor for a vote, please be assured that I will keep your thoughts in mind.  

Thank you again for contacting me on this important issue. If you would like more information on my work in the Senate, please visit my website at www.duckworth.senate.gov. You can access my voting record and see what I am doing to address today’s most important issues. I hope that you will continue to share your views and opinions with me and let me know whenever I may be of assistance to you.

Sincerely,

The Honorable Tammy Duckworth
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Posted 22 June 2017 - 09:27 AM

That woman can sure use a lot of words to tell gun owners she is going to screw you as much as possible.

Not that it matters our RINO we had before would vote the same way.

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 09:36 AM

I wonder what her opinions are of driver's licenses from other states being valid in Illinois?

 

Or of marriage licenses prior to the ruling in Obergefell v. Hodges.



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Posted 22 June 2017 - 09:39 AM

"The Honorable Tammy Duckworth" there's an oxymoron if I've ever read one. 


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Posted 22 June 2017 - 09:58 AM

I wonder what her opinions are of driver's licenses from other states being valid in Illinois?

 

Or of marriage licenses prior to the ruling in Obergefell v. Hodges.

 

Logic ONLY matters if it helps strengthen her argument, but not if it shows how stupid and/or hypocritical she is.


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Posted 22 June 2017 - 10:01 AM

..."gives me a unique perspective on the capabilities and functions of firearms. I fully respect the gun ownership rights the Second Amendment guarantees and will continue to protect them"...

Translation:

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 10:29 AM

I want people from states with more permissive carry laws to carry in blue states like Illinois, New York, and California. One is for safety. Two is to give a middle finger to the gun control movement. But there's a third benefit everybody's ignoring: if you pass reciprocity, concealed carry licensees visiting places like NYC will have more rights than local New Yorkers do. Can you say "lawsuit"?
"The point of [so-called "assault weapon" bans]...is not to ban firearms that are dangerous, it's to ban firearms that gun owners want to own because the people making the laws don't like gun owners. If we want to buy non-semiauto AR-style rifles, they'll ban those too, and for the same reason."

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 12:07 PM

 But there's a third benefit everybody's ignoring: if you pass reciprocity, concealed carry licensees visiting places like NYC will have more rights than local New Yorkers do. Can you say "lawsuit"?

 

We already have that now in IL with the FOID card.  Friends from out of state can come to a shooting range or buy ammo just by showing their state ID, but me as an IL resident has LESS rights than they do since I must have a FOID card.

 

It just boggles the mind.



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Posted 22 June 2017 - 12:23 PM

The terms of these reciprocity bills seems to be changing. At one point I read they needed to create a minimum terms for carry laws across all states (I thought coming up with this could take years...) The latest I'm reading from an NRA article sounds like the end result would simply be every Home State would allow CCL holders from every other State to carry in that Home State subject to that Home State's laws.

So at link below, "Permits Honored In:" would simply be Green in all states, for a every Home State.

https://www.usconcea...arry.com/travel

If so, this seems simpler than getting all states to agree on minimum CCL terms for all other states. It's simply how we do it now: 1) find out of destination state allows IL CCL's 2) research destination states laws.

Anybody else hearing anything else? Thanks

Edited by OldMarineVet, 22 June 2017 - 12:25 PM.


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Posted 22 June 2017 - 12:53 PM

The terms of these reciprocity bills seems to be changing. At one point I read they needed to create a minimum terms for carry laws across all states (I thought coming up with this could take years...) The latest I'm reading from an NRA article sounds like the end result would simply be every Home State would allow CCL holders from every other State to carry in that Home State subject to that Home State's laws.

So at link below, "Permits Honored In:" would simply be Green in all states, for a every Home State.

https://www.usconcea...arry.com/travel

If so, this seems simpler than getting all states to agree on minimum CCL terms for all other states. It's simply how we do it now: 1) find out of destination state allows IL CCL's 2) research destination states laws.

Anybody else hearing anything else? Thanks

So.....in New York, it is illegal to be in possession of an unregistered handgun.  So if we get nationwide reciprocity, and you're allowed to carry in New York on your Illinois license, but your handgun isn't registered in accordance with state law.,..


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Posted 22 June 2017 - 01:06 PM

Sounds like she supports stricter minimum sentences for straw purchasers 


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Posted 22 June 2017 - 02:21 PM

>We can and must take pragmatic steps to prevent gun trafficking and institute harsher penalties for those who steal firearms or illegally purchase them for others. 

 

See the thing that totally blows her argument out of the water is, when they DO catch these straw buyers and traffickers, the liberal judges let them off the hook.  They don't care about solving the frigging problem.  All they care about is jabbing a stick in the eye of law abiding 2A owners. F' em.



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Posted 22 June 2017 - 02:26 PM

Sounds like she supports stricter minimum sentences for straw purchasers Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

Might be a good idea to ask her along with getting her opinion of the case involving the Mount Prospect woman who got probation for running guns for gangs.

 

She'd probably not reply though.



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Posted 22 June 2017 - 03:37 PM

Sounds like she supports stricter minimum sentences for straw purchasers


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Posted 22 June 2017 - 03:46 PM

when they DO catch these straw buyers and traffickers, the liberal judges let them off the hook.

 

https://www.dailyher...news/170419171/

 

updated: 4/14/2017 4:48 PM

Mount Prospect woman gets probation for illegal gun sales

 

Barbara Vitello

 

A Mount Prospect woman pleaded guilty to selling guns illegally and was sentenced to probation.

 

Simone Mousheh, 23, pleaded guilty Thursday to the illegal transfer of firearms in exchange for 12 months probation and 15 days in the Cook County sheriff's work alternative program, according to court records. S.W.A.P. allows judges to sentence nonviolent offenders to manual labor in lieu of jail time.

 

She was also ordered to pay $679 in fines.

 

According to published reports, Mousheh purchased a .40-caliber gun legally then reported it stolen. Police recovered the gun from a Chicago juvenile.

 

During a six-month period, authorities said, Mousheh purchased four weapons for $600 each and sold two to a Hoffman Estates man with Chicago gang ties.



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Posted 22 June 2017 - 07:21 PM

>We can and must take pragmatic steps to prevent gun trafficking and institute harsher penalties for those who steal firearms or illegally purchase them for others. 

 

See the thing that totally blows her argument out of the water is, when they DO catch these straw buyers and traffickers, the liberal judges let them off the hook.  They don't care about solving the frigging problem.  All they care about is jabbing a stick in the eye of law abiding 2A owners. F' em.

 

 

Agreed. Total hypocrisy!



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Posted 22 June 2017 - 07:28 PM

As subjects of Illinois we are so so lucky to have the all knowing Senators that look out for their subjects well being.


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Posted 22 June 2017 - 07:51 PM

"honorable". That's a stretch if I've ever seen one. 

 

We in this state have two of the worst senators that ever stank up a seat in the Capitol building. 

 

Just unbelievable. It's like Bizarro World in the Superman comics. Everything is backwards. 



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Posted 22 June 2017 - 07:51 PM

That woman can sure use a lot of words to tell gun owners she is going to screw you as much as possible.

Not that it matters our RINO we had before would vote the same way.

 

Who? Joe Walsh?

Bite your tongue.


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Posted 22 June 2017 - 08:51 PM

Like a typical narcissistic LWW, she uses 100+ words to say what one word (namely "no") would have sufficied.


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Posted 22 June 2017 - 08:53 PM

 

That woman can sure use a lot of words to tell gun owners she is going to screw you as much as possible.

Not that it matters our RINO we had before would vote the same way.

 

Who? Joe Walsh?

Bite your tongue.

 

 

No, he's talking about "will never be Capt James T." Kirk



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Posted 23 June 2017 - 07:07 AM

..."gives me a unique perspective on the capabilities and functions of firearms. I fully respect the gun ownership rights the Second Amendment guarantees and will continue to protect them"...

Translation:

No!

What 'UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE"?  She was a flapping HELO PILOT, not on infantry or even a military police officer.  Most of us shoot more on a Saturday at the range than she fired from her personal weapon (Beretta?) during her whole career!


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 07:11 AM

Ms. Duckworthless really needs to examine her respect of the 2nd Amendment............what part of shall not be infringed does she not understand?



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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:01 AM

The terms of these reciprocity bills seems to be changing. At one point I read they needed to create a minimum terms for carry laws across all states (I thought coming up with this could take years...) The latest I'm reading from an NRA article sounds like the end result would simply be every Home State would allow CCL holders from every other State to carry in that Home State subject to that Home State's laws.

So at link below, "Permits Honored In:" would simply be Green in all states, for a every Home State.

https://www.usconcea...arry.com/travel

If so, this seems simpler than getting all states to agree on minimum CCL terms for all other states. It's simply how we do it now: 1) find out of destination state allows IL CCL's 2) research destination states laws.

Anybody else hearing anything else? Thanks

This post is off topic. Starting a new thread.

Edited by OldMarineVet, 23 June 2017 - 08:13 AM.


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:03 AM

 

when they DO catch these straw buyers and traffickers, the liberal judges let them off the hook.

 

https://www.dailyher...news/170419171/

 

updated: 4/14/2017 4:48 PM

Mount Prospect woman gets probation for illegal gun sales

 

Barbara Vitello

 

A Mount Prospect woman pleaded guilty to selling guns illegally and was sentenced to probation.

 

Simone Mousheh, 23, pleaded guilty Thursday to the illegal transfer of firearms in exchange for 12 months probation and 15 days in the Cook County sheriff's work alternative program, according to court records. S.W.A.P. allows judges to sentence nonviolent offenders to manual labor in lieu of jail time.

 

She was also ordered to pay $679 in fines.

 

According to published reports, Mousheh purchased a .40-caliber gun legally then reported it stolen. Police recovered the gun from a Chicago juvenile.

 

During a six-month period, authorities said, Mousheh purchased four weapons for $600 each and sold two to a Hoffman Estates man with Chicago gang ties.

 

 

Yes, that was exactly one of the primary cases I was referring to. In light of the trade off in restricting the rights of law abiding 2A owners, letting this wench off the hook was a frigging slap in the face to all of us.

 

This kind of crap is exactly what undermines the entire liberal anti-gun agenda.  See the issue is, if they went after the gangbangers, and the intercity scumbags causing all the trouble, 1/2 their voters would be locked up. See the problem. Much easier for them to go after ALL guns so they don't get called out. 



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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:25 AM

As I have said before, not worth a "duck."

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:37 AM

The terms of these reciprocity bills seems to be changing. At one point I read they needed to create a minimum terms for carry laws across all states (I thought coming up with this could take years...) The latest I'm reading from an NRA article sounds like the end result would simply be every Home State would allow CCL holders from every other State to carry in that Home State subject to that Home State's laws.

So at link below, "Permits Honored In:" would simply be Green in all states, for a every Home State.

https://www.usconcea...arry.com/travel

If so, this seems simpler than getting all states to agree on minimum CCL terms for all other states. It's simply how we do it now: 1) find out of destination state allows IL CCL's 2) research destination states laws.

Anybody else hearing anything else? Thanks

So.....in New York, it is illegal to be in possession of an unregistered handgun.  So if we get nationwide reciprocity, and you're allowed to carry in New York on your Illinois license, but your handgun isn't registered in accordance with state law.,..

My post was off subject so I started a new thread.

Very interesting issue. Based on the current concealed carry map, I see New York, like Illinois, doesn't reciprocate with any other states. Hmmm. Illinois law now says our CCL supersedes the FOID card... a couple of significant issues that would need to be addressed (or not addressed)

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 09:00 AM

2 claps that you actually bothered to send her that letter. I'm sure they got a good laugh about that one at the office.

The idiots that elected her gave her the free reign to be as anti gun as she wants to be. No way any of the federal reps from the state of IL are voting yes to a National Reciprocity bill.


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 09:06 AM

 

..."gives me a unique perspective on the capabilities and functions of firearms. I fully respect the gun ownership rights the Second Amendment guarantees and will continue to protect them"...

Translation:

No!

What 'UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE"?  She was a flapping HELO PILOT, not on infantry or even a military police officer.  Most of us shoot more on a Saturday at the range than she fired from her personal weapon (Beretta?) during her whole career!

 

More so She was an Army reserve / national guard helicopter pilot and got pulled into full time military in 04 for Iraq. No disrespect meant towards others that have served in the guard or reserves, but theres surly a lot more people that are are more adept with personal arms handling that have MOS ratings in the military than Chopper pilot. 



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Posted 23 June 2017 - 09:09 AM

2 claps that you actually bothered to send her that letter. I'm sure they got a good laugh about that one at the office.
The idiots that elected her gave her the free reign to be as anti gun as she wants to be. No way any of the federal reps from the state of IL are voting yes to a National Reciprocity bill.

Personally, I think it's important to continuously communicate with all my representatives even Duckworth and others like her. I get all their newsletters and go to their meetings. Maybe I'm just punishing myself for letting them win, but they are my representatives.




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