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MARCH 25 UPDATE: On Friday, our attorneys argued the appeal in our bumpstock lawsuit at the federal Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit -- often called the 'second-highest court in the land'. On Saturday, the Court ordered a partial administrative stay of enforcement of the ATF's Final Rule as to the named parties! (A stay is a way to put the brakes on the Rule going into effect.)

Yesterday, our lawyers filed an Emergency Joint Motion at the Court asking it to expand the Stay Order to expressly protect all persons affected by the ATF's final rule banning "Bump-Stock-Type Devices". This morning, the government opposed our Emergency Motion but said that the Court already "limited the relief granted to the named plaintiffs, which extends relief to the organizations and their bona fide members..." We just filed a reply brief in support of our Emergency Motion, and our lawyers are working to file an emergency application for stay at the United States Supreme Court RIGHT NOW

 

Our legal team is working as we speak to take this case to the U.S. Supreme Court TODAY -- we are doing EVERYTHING legally possible to protect YOU and all Americans from the ATF's dangerous and unprecedented retroactive ban! But we need YOUR SUPPORT NOW. This expensive legal action is just the beginning of the case, not the end. Please chip in a tax-deductible contribution and BECOME AN FPF MEMBER TODAY!

According to the U.S. Government, the Stay Order our legal team secured grants relief "to the named plaintiffs" **and** "extends relief to the organizations and their bona fide members..." That means that it's the US DOJ's position that ALL FPF MEMBERS are currently protected against the ATF's Bumpstock Ban Final Rule through the Court's stay order in our FPF/Guedes litigation! (See BumpstockCase.com for more about this important case.)

You can become an FPF member RIGHT NOW by making a small donation to fund this important fight -- as little as $1 makes you a member TODAY! And as our thanks for your generosity, you will automatically be entered to WIN a custom Sons of Liberty Gun Works M4-76 rifle!

P.S. We will likely be fighting this ATF Ban in court for years, so please consider making a recurring donation to make sure our legal team and attorneys have the resources they need in the War Chest.

P.P.S. Because FPF is a 501©(3) nonprofit, all donations are generally tax-deductible!

 

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See no use, nor have any use of a 'bump stock' !

 

That is the same exact argument the anti-gunners use for everything they want to ban.

 

Like all rights, the 2nd is a right to exercise the protected activity regardless of how others feel about it or if they want to exercise it with you.

 

If this is allowed to fly, what is to stop them from banning 'light pull triggers' and mandating a heavy lbs pull for a trigger using the same exact argument? Or maybe they will ban recoil pads using the same argument and/or mandating a shore hardness for recoil pads? Maybe they will use the same argument to ban wearing gloves that prevent a tight forestock grip? Heck what is to stop them from banning semi-auto single action firearms altogether using the same argument? All those previous examples could be argued illegal under the same (poorly written and flawed) argument used to ban bump stocks.

 

"devices that allow a semiautomatic firearm to shoot more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger by harnessing the recoil energy of the semiautomatic firearm to which it is affixed so that the trigger resets and continues firing without additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter."

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See no use, nor have any use of a 'bump stock' !

 

The second amendment is an outdated vestige of a time when firearms were expensive and uncommon, when there was a weak standing army that needed to be supplemented with individual arms, and hunting was a means of survival. Today, for 400 bucks someone can purchase a 30 round high capacity assault rifle. You don't need to go to such extremes to protect yourself, a single shot .22 rifle will do just fine and unlike in 1791 we also have a competent police force to protect us from criminals. We all have a better chance of getting struck by a car than being a victim of a violent crime. We also have the worlds strongest military to protect us from foreign powers, and nobody in the US is shooting Bambi for any reason other than sick thrills so I see no need or use for hunting calibers or rifles.

 

Thank you, I've finally realized that ....I really see no use, nor have any use of a "Second Amendment" !

 

Excellent post.

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Imho, I think you're going a little far to extrapolate the bumpstop as the cornerstone of our 2A Rights.

 

I am no fan whatsoever of giving an inch with the Anti's as they have demonstrated the unwillingness to reciprocate in kind, but at some point I do feel we have to think hard about what issues we want to lead with.

 

I mean, before Las Vegas, did anyone give a crap about bumpstops? Imho, they are just a total waste of ammo. And anyone using one to hunt, well, I'll not go there. Nothing worse that having a dumb contraption like this undermine our greater battle.

 

Just my .02 fwiw.

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Imho, I think you're going a little far to extrapolate the bumpstop as the cornerstone of our 2A Rights.

 

I am no fan whatsoever of giving an inch with the Anti's as they have demonstrated the unwillingness to reciprocate in kind, but at some point I do feel we have to think hard about what issues we want to lead with.

 

I mean, before Las Vegas, did anyone give a crap about bumpstops? Imho, they are just a total waste of ammo. And anyone using one to hunt, well, I'll not go there. Nothing worse that having a dumb contraption like this undermine our greater battle.

 

Just my .02 fwiw.

 

My point exactly. This is like the democrats putting all their eggs in the 'collusion' basket, how'd that work out for them ?

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Imho, I think you're going a little far to extrapolate the bumpstop as the cornerstone of our 2A Rights.

 

I am no fan whatsoever of giving an inch with the Anti's as they have demonstrated the unwillingness to reciprocate in kind, but at some point I do feel we have to think hard about what issues we want to lead with.

 

I mean, before Las Vegas, did anyone give a crap about bumpstops? Imho, they are just a total waste of ammo. And anyone using one to hunt, well, I'll not go there. Nothing worse that having a dumb contraption like this undermine our greater battle.

 

Just my .02 fwiw.

 

My point exactly. This is like the democrats putting all their eggs in the 'collusion' basket, how'd that work out for them ?

 

 

We are weakest when we are divided. The antis would love nothing more than to split us up and take our rights one small step at a time. The antis seem to have a better understanding of the long game than a lot of gun owners, and they constantly demonstrate that they are patient.

 

How do you eat an elephant - one bite at a time.

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Imho, I think you're going a little far to extrapolate the bumpstop as the cornerstone of our 2A Rights.

 

I am no fan whatsoever of giving an inch with the Anti's as they have demonstrated the unwillingness to reciprocate in kind, but at some point I do feel we have to think hard about what issues we want to lead with.

 

I mean, before Las Vegas, did anyone give a crap about bumpstops? Imho, they are just a total waste of ammo. And anyone using one to hunt, well, I'll not go there. Nothing worse that having a dumb contraption like this undermine our greater battle.

 

Just my .02 fwiw.

I don't think you're looking deep enough. If one single accessory can be banned then why can't all of them be banned? I might add that the bans on all of those accessories will be done in such a way as to avoid the entire legislative process....

 

Collapsible stocks BANNED without a single vote.

Forward grips BANNED without a single vote.

ALL MAGAZINES OVER 5 ROUNDS BANNED without a single vote.

 

You're missing the point here. The people have lost ALL representation when laws are created and/or modified in this way. Is that ok to you?

 

The due process clause of the 14th amendment is also completely null and void when bans are allowed to happen in this manner. It can also be argued that the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment is also being bypassed completely. Tens of thousands of American citizens are being denied their right to private, legally owned property, and it's being taken from them without just compensation. Is that ok to you?

 

To date, no solid proof has ever been given to the public that a bump stock was ever used in Las Vegas, and even if it was, does one nutjob using a Chevy Malibu to mow down a crowd make it ok to ban ALL Chevy Malibu's? The entire basis of the US being a constitutional republic is at stake if this is allowed to be the new precedent. We're now living under mob rule after this ban, and you think that's ok?

 

Also, bump stocks have been shown to be effective and allow accuracy, but it all depends on the operator of the weapon and their training. But it's ok to ban them because they're a "waste of ammo" as you state??

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Bird - You could be right. Maybe I'm not looking at this deep enough - I have clearly over the years proven I'm not the sharpest knife around.

 

I fully recognize that the Anti's are not good faith negotiators and are looking to kill with a thousand cuts, and ban everything, one by one. I get it. However, are Bumpstops truly the best issue to lead us into battle?

 

They are a dumb novelty with ZERO practical value for anything that any true sportsman would ever use for hunting, target shooting, or self-defense. Prior to Las Vegas nobody gave a crap about them, regardless if these were actually ever used in that incident or not. Imho, I think these things lessen our position in establishing our overall position. As a matter of fact, if anyone searched for Bumpstop topics here prior to LV, I'd be willing to bet that most members scoffed about their merits then.

 

Granted, we do not want to allow Anti's to arbitrarily pick apart every item one by one, but on the other hand, where is the interest on our side to self-regulate a bit to determine if these things even made sense in the first place? I mean, are we required to jump on the bandwagon to be automatically politically supportive of every hair-brained and ill conceived product that comes along? Even if such support dilutes the good-will and position in our greater fight?

 

What about a product that you attach to your AR that shoots all 30 rounds at the same exact time some goofy way. The universe is wide open with all sorts of possible products that could change the operation of AR in ways never originally designed or imagined - some in perhaps in very detrimental ways, and you are saying we are obligated to embrace ALL, no matter what, and fight to the death on every single one by default??

 

Seems to me we are fighting about curb feelers on a chicken with these things. At some point, we might want to think that for our own better good, perhaps we should lead the discussion on what is good or not, and not always fall to the defensive and wait for the Anti's to target them. Who else is better suited to keeping our own house in order? Why allow the Anti's to leverage these against us in the first place? We need to lead the discussion.

 

I'm not going to debate this further. Being on the defensive all the time is a function of never having the urge and foresight to take the lead. Perhaps that simple logic is something to consider. My .02 fwiw. Carry on.

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However, are Bumpstops truly the best issue to lead us into battle?

 

Lead into battle? Implying that we aren't already in one?

 

I would argue it is. It isn't the bumpstocks themselves that are important, its the precedent that the ruling sets that is. Trump set the precedent that it is ok to simply tell the DOJ to ban an item. The DOJ then goes and changes its definition of a machine gun.

 

Because of this, it now sets precedent for a future Dem President to tell the DOJ to ban semi-autos, and if that happens, im sure even you would screaming and arguing against it.

 

You may not care about bumpstocks, but remember this:

 

First they came for the bumpstocks, and I did not speak out--because I did not own a bumpstock.

Then they came for the semi-autos, and I did not speak out---because I did not own a semi-auto.

Then they came for the handguns, and I did not speak out--because I did not own a handgun.

Then they came for my bolt-action--and there was no one left to speak for me.

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The fudds are always shortsighted(and those saying that kind of thing, like they have no use for ___ so it is okay have no idea what the 2A is about)

They are every bit as much of the problem as anyone publicly waving an anti-gun flag.

Also, anything thinking this is some 3D chess game played by the most politically naive pres ever needs a brain check. By the time any of this, if ever, gets to and is heard by the SCOTUS, one would have been a felon and risked real jail time for a long time before that. That makes no logical sense by any stretch, ever, not even close.

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See no use, nor have any use of a 'bump stock' !

 

 

No disrespect intended fellow IC member, but that response tells me, you don't get it. I've never owned, desired to own, or cared about bump stocks. This fight goes way above and beyond bump stocks. The name of the game is to stay in the game.(The "GAME" in this case, is fighting for our 2A Rights) The more groups we have fighting for our rights, the better. It's ONE DOLLAR to help in that fight. I'm in. Again, no disrespect intended, seriously.

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Imho, I think you're going a little far to extrapolate the bumpstop as the cornerstone of our 2A Rights.

 

I am no fan whatsoever of giving an inch with the Anti's as they have demonstrated the unwillingness to reciprocate in kind, but at some point I do feel we have to think hard about what issues we want to lead with.

 

I mean, before Las Vegas, did anyone give a crap about bumpstops? Imho, they are just a total waste of ammo. And anyone using one to hunt, well, I'll not go there. Nothing worse that having a dumb contraption like this undermine our greater battle.

 

Just my .02 fwiw.

 

My point exactly. This is like the democrats putting all their eggs in the 'collusion' basket, how'd that work out for them ?

 

 

Let me answer that for you. The Dems have absolutely ZERO intention of stopping the Russian collusion investigations. ZERO!!!! See Nadler, see Schiff, et all. The guy who runs CNN has NO REGRETS, and Rachel Maddow and Don Lemon were in tears, literally. How could this happen? They'll never stop, they'll never admit they were WRONG. You see, that's Trump Derangement Syndrome, it's alive and well in the MSM and the Democratic Party of these United States. If you have any other questions, I'm here til closing. <sarcasm> LOL

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See no use, nor have any use of a 'bump stock' !

I totally support your right not to own one, but in the words of the liberals, "Don't force your morality on me!" This is coming someone who not only doesn't own a bump stock, I don't even own an AR 15 sporting rifle to put one on. But, I really don't want to give up the freedom to own one if I ever change my mind.

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The Supreme Court denied the stay so for right now they are illegal unless you are plaintiff that has been issued a stay by a lower court. Meaning overnight an estimated half a million people became Federal felons!

Everyone had better use the anonymous reporting through the ATF phone app to report over 500,000 felonies being committed. lmaoo

 

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D19wEmkXgAE-Te-.jpg:large

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The Supreme Court denied the stay so for right now they are illegal unless you are plaintiff that has been issued a stay by a lower court. Meaning overnight an estimated half a million people became Federal felons!

Everyone had better use the anonymous reporting through the ATF phone app to report over 500,000 felonies being committed. lmaoo

 

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D19wEmkXgAE-Te-.jpg:large

 

 

 

I heard on Alex Jones that the ATF now has drones that will sniff out these evil Bump Stocks. They'll be flying over every square inch of the USA within the next 48 ours.You felons who still have these evil devices, shred them now. LOL

 

On a more serious note, I did read that the ATF did say they won't be doing door to door searches in an article or articles. That said, if you have one of these things, keep it at your own peril. I have a strange feeling if they bust a few offenders, they're going to try and make examples out of them. 250K and 10 years and the loss of the right to own firearms legally is what's at stake. All thanks to Donald J Trump. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0lzvJMOwbg

 

As mentioned earlier, this is an unconstitutional grab, but it seems the constitution is meaningless to far too many people in power these days. I'm glad I never owned one or even desired one, because having to turn in property I bought legally, without any compensation would make me feel like a subject vs. a citizen. In fact having to turn in something I bought legally, even with compensation would leave me with that same feeling. We're a constitutional republic, right?

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