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#1 jim123

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 01:01 PM

Not sure if you need one or not. What if you carry a Kel Tec PF9 with the optional belt clip.

I can't copy and paste a pic for some reason, but here's what I'm talking about from a youtube video except without his home made trigger guard. This gun also has a trigger pull like a double action only revolver. For 4 o'clock carry with regular jeans in the cold and cargo type shorts in the summer.

Just wondering.

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 01:20 PM

Holster is NOT required by law. http://www.ilga.gov/...DF/098-0063.pdf


The word "Holster" appears nowhere in the law. The definition of a concealed firearm is as follows:

"Concealed firearm" means a loaded or unloaded handgun carried on or about a person completely or mostly concealed from view of the public or on or about a person within a vehicle.

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 01:22 PM

Not required by law...but I think you are taking an unecessary risk not keeping that trigger covered.

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 01:23 PM

Holsters aren't required, but it's always a good idea keep that trigger covered.
Please note that all my comments in this thread are only my own opinion, and do not in any way represent IC, or anyone else's opinions. I am NOT a lawyer.

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 01:31 PM

You are going to hear the same thing said many ways, cover the trigger.


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 01:34 PM

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 01:36 PM

Seriously, take a look at all of the negligent discharges that occur when carrying. Almost all of them not using a holster or using a holster/attaching device that doesn't cover the trigger.

Why would you go against all of the very well experienced professionals who would urge you not to do this?
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Posted 07 January 2014 - 02:07 PM

I watched the video. Seems like a rube Goldberg setup to me. Draw and remove the guard? I suggest a good Don Hume leather IWB. Or equivalent.

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 02:27 PM

Raven concealment makes a little Kydex trigger guard thingy that covers just the trigger and adds almost no bulk to the gun if your pocket carrying. Very small selection of guns that they make it for though, http://raven-conceal...nguard-holster/

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 02:29 PM

Raven concealment makes a little Kydex trigger guard thingy that covers just the trigger and adds almost no bulk to the gun if your pocket carrying. http://raven-conceal...nguard-holster/



Seems similar to the MIC Holster: HERE

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 02:44 PM

Seriously, take a look at all of the negligent discharges that occur when carrying. Almost all of them not using a holster or using a holster/attaching device that doesn't cover the trigger.

Why would you go against all of the very well experienced professionals who would urge you not to do this?


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 03:12 PM

No offense but have you completed the training, if they didn't cover this, I wouldn't recommend them to anyone, they've failed miserably.

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 03:15 PM

Ever hear of a 'Hip Clip?' Used one for years....One of the reasons I bought the BG380 for a BUG was the safety. It is one of the few guns I'd ever try and carry without the trigger guard covered. Most revolver guys have done so for years.

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 03:19 PM

I personally really like my MIC with a clip-draw attachment to my G26... No Way would I ever carry without the MIC though... Good way to shoot your a$$ off...

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 04:56 PM

jim123 , I have a PF9 and I agree it does have a long trigger pull. However it is only about 5 - 6 lbs. where as a revolver has from 10 to 12 lb. trigger . Put it in a good holster and you won't have to worry about it moving around on you.

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 05:15 PM

Ever hear of a 'Hip Clip?' Used one for years....One of the reasons I bought the BG380 for a BUG was the safety. It is one of the few guns I'd ever try and carry without the trigger guard covered. Most revolver guys have done so for years.


no one who has any real sense about carrying a firearm uses a "hip clip".

And I was a revolver guy for a couple of decades.

But, then again, I take carrying a loaded ready to fire firearm seriously. I am not tempted by fly by night ripoff tactical gear manufacturers who are making money by taking advantage of unskilled, inexperienced and untrained amateurs who have absolute zero experience doing something that I have been doing and teaching for more than four decades.

A carried unholstered gun is a negligent discharge looking for a place to occur.

It looks really cool in the movies and on TV but the only people who do it in real life are usually also criminals
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Posted 07 January 2014 - 05:17 PM

Holster is NOT required by law. http://www.ilga.gov/...DF/098-0063.pdf


The word "Holster" appears nowhere in the law. The definition of a concealed firearm is as follows:

"Concealed firearm" means a loaded or unloaded handgun carried on or about a person completely or mostly concealed from view of the public or on or about a person within a vehicle.

Holster is not required by law. But it is "required" by common sense / good firearm discipline if you are going to carry it.

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 05:43 PM

Thanks for the input. This looks like it will work.
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Posted 07 January 2014 - 05:59 PM

I personally really like my MIC with a clip-draw attachment to my G26... No Way would I ever carry without the MIC though... Good way to shoot your a$$ off...


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 06:00 PM

FWIW I know a cop that uses a pocket clip with a P3AT.

I would NOT recommend carrying without a holster that covers the trigger guard (MIC works). Too dangerous, but some people do it.
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Posted 07 January 2014 - 06:03 PM

coincidentally, here's a thread posted on the 1911 forum just this morning and it's in Illinois:

http://forums.1911fo...etin-2014-01-07



Background minutes before he was walking his dogs, it was dark out and a salt truck, we live in a suburb of Chicago, was coming by and it scared the dogs they jumped pulling my friend, he had the dogs on leads. We had Coyotes in my backyard the night before and a number of times recently. Myself and my neighbor started carrying guns and very powerful lights at night when we take the dogs out. Anyway he had a 1911 in his coat pocket and his hand on the gun. When the dogs pulled him around he started losing his balance and obviously squeezed the trigger and shot himself. He had some serious defensive bullets in the gun, I don`t even think they are legal any more. Anyway the bullet went completely through his thigh. The police came followed by the Fire dept. and took him to the hospital. The police remained. What the police did is another story but this is getting to long now. He's recovering now and it looks like he will be fine but he still has a lot of pain. Docters said he`s very Lucky he didn`t hit any bone and missed all the arteries.

The moral and why I`m posting this is that no one should ever carry a 1911 with one in the chamber without the finger safety on. I never do and my friend knew better, we haven`t been kids for a very long time and have been involved with guns for many decades so this could have been avoided but chit happens.

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 06:05 PM

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 06:55 PM

coincidentally, here's a thread posted on the 1911 forum just this morning and it's in Illinois:

http://forums.1911fo...etin-2014-01-07



Background minutes before he was walking his dogs, it was dark out and a salt truck, we live in a suburb of Chicago, was coming by and it scared the dogs they jumped pulling my friend, he had the dogs on leads. We had Coyotes in my backyard the night before and a number of times recently. Myself and my neighbor started carrying guns and very powerful lights at night when we take the dogs out. Anyway he had a 1911 in his coat pocket and his hand on the gun. When the dogs pulled him around he started losing his balance and obviously squeezed the trigger and shot himself. He had some serious defensive bullets in the gun, I don`t even think they are legal any more. Anyway the bullet went completely through his thigh. The police came followed by the Fire dept. and took him to the hospital. The police remained. What the police did is another story but this is getting to long now. He's recovering now and it looks like he will be fine but he still has a lot of pain. Docters said he`s very Lucky he didn`t hit any bone and missed all the arteries.

The moral and why I`m posting this is that no one should ever carry a 1911 with one in the chamber without the finger safety on. I never do and my friend knew better, we haven`t been kids for a very long time and have been involved with guns for many decades so this could have been avoided but chit happens.



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Posted 07 January 2014 - 07:00 PM

(Purple). Ahh the dreaded Serpa coat.


I saw what you did there Tex and it was a suburb of Chicago not Metamora

same leg wound though
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Posted 07 January 2014 - 07:02 PM

Just a joke, although I am a Texan.

Nothing covering the trigger guard is a bad idea.
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Posted 07 January 2014 - 07:12 PM

Before you waste any money on a holster that you have to buy sight unseen on fleabay, check out this spreadsheet of holster makers that's posted in the gear section. Here's the link: http://illinoiscarry...showtopic=29421 Look atheir websites and you'll find that there are much better holsters available.

Stick with a holster that is made by a well known manufacturer. You won't be sorry.

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 07:55 PM

no one who has any real sense about carrying a firearm uses a "hip clip".


Well sir, we must disagree to an extent and I will not argue the point here.

In the past us old timers did a lot of things frowned upon today. We did not follow certain rules...yet somehow we survived! I'll let you figure out how.....

Sometimes we must adapt and overcome. I did not learn that from an 'expert on the internet.'

Respectfully....

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 09:23 PM

no one who has any real sense about carrying a firearm uses a "hip clip".


Well sir, we must disagree to an extent and I will not argue the point here.

In the past us old timers did a lot of things frowned upon today. We did not follow certain rules...yet somehow we survived! I'll let you figure out how.....

Sometimes we must adapt and overcome. I did not learn that from an 'expert on the internet.'

Respectfully....


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 09:23 PM

No one has mentioned this, but I would think that if you are going to carry with no round in the chamber...

If my son asked my advice, I would tell him to use a holster regardless.


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 09:48 PM

Ever hear of a 'Hip Clip?' Used one for years....One of the reasons I bought the BG380 for a BUG was the safety. It is one of the few guns I'd ever try and carry without the trigger guard covered. Most revolver guys have done so for years.


no one who has any real sense about carrying a firearm uses a "hip clip".

And I was a revolver guy for a couple of decades.

But, then again, I take carrying a loaded ready to fire firearm seriously. I am not tempted by fly by night ripoff tactical gear manufacturers who are making money by taking advantage of unskilled, inexperienced and untrained amateurs who have absolute zero experience doing something that I have been doing and teaching for more than four decades.

A carried unholstered gun is a negligent discharge looking for a place to occur.

It looks really cool in the movies and on TV but the only people who do it in real life are usually also criminals



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