steveTA84 Posted July 17, 2019 at 03:42 PM Share Posted July 17, 2019 at 03:42 PM Dear ISRA member, Today, the Illinois State Rifle Association has filed a lawsuit challenging the state licensure measure Governor JB Pritzker signed into law shortly after taking office. Senate Bill 337 was passed in the 100th General Assembly but was never sent to then Governor Bruce Rauner because 2nd Amendment rights opponents knew he would veto it. After Governor JB Pritzker was sworn in as Governor, SB 337 was sent to him even though the 100th General Assembly had ended and the 101st General Assembly had already begun. The law requires federally licensed gun dealers to obtain a state license to sell firearms. Federal licenses cost $90 for three years. A dealer with no posted hours must pay $300 for a three-year license more than 300 percent of what the cost of a federal dealer license is. If a dealer has posted hours (even as little as one hour) the dealer must pay $1,500 for a three-year state license more than 16 times the cost of a federal license. The political gamesmanship to get this legislation signed into law is appalling. Rules and deadlines apparently mean nothing to advocates for gun control. Senate Bill 337 should have died in the 100th General Assembly and as a result, we are left with no choice but to challenge this terrible new law in court. The federal government already licenses gun dealers. All this does is create more red tape and increase the cost of doing business. According to a recent news report from the Center Square, there are 2,351 federally licensed firearms dealers in Illinois but only 1,140 of those dealers applied for states licenses a difference of 1,211 or more than half the number of federally licensed dealers. There are now more than 1,200 local businesses no longer in business thanks to this law. It is a blow to the 2nd Amendment and to the Illinois economy. This law was never about public safety. It was always intended to have a chilling effect on the firearms industry, and it is working. It is a blow to the 2nd Amendment and to the Illinois economy. The ISRA will keep fighting to get this onerous law overturned. One of the ways the ISRA stands up for 2nd Amendment rights in Illinois is to file court challenges to gun control laws. The ISRA has won 16 court challenges in a row. We are pleased with the tremendous success of these court challenges and we would like to be able to do more but these lawsuits are expensive. If you would like to help us fight this and other lawsuits, select this link and make a donationtoday. As always, thank you for your continued support. Sincerely, Richard PearsonExecutive Director Illinois State Rifle Association Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted July 17, 2019 at 03:43 PM Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 at 03:43 PM ISRA has been kicking A$$ lately in terms of changing tactics and evolving/being aggressive. Rock on!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnwfan3 Posted July 17, 2019 at 03:55 PM Share Posted July 17, 2019 at 03:55 PM It's about time!! I'm glad they are challenging this. It has always been about driving small FFLs out of business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted July 17, 2019 at 04:01 PM Share Posted July 17, 2019 at 04:01 PM I hope they challenged it on 2nd and 14th violation angles instead of taking the much weaker business/commerce angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20jlr Posted July 17, 2019 at 04:01 PM Share Posted July 17, 2019 at 04:01 PM Great news.!!! Heres to hopeing ccl waitimes is the next lawsuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted July 17, 2019 at 04:03 PM Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 at 04:03 PM It's about time!! I'm glad they are challenging this. It has always been about driving small FFLs out of business.I’ll be making a donation next payday. They’re doing what many of us are asking them to do. We can help by contributing. They’re taking the gloves off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Flag Posted July 17, 2019 at 04:05 PM Share Posted July 17, 2019 at 04:05 PM Nicely done I hope.The information from the ISRA is not complete, indeed, it is lacking.The ISRA filed a lawsuit somewhere, in some court system, presumably on some grounds, hopefully with some co-plaintiffs, against some defendants, with a lawyer or legal team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted July 17, 2019 at 04:09 PM Share Posted July 17, 2019 at 04:09 PM The ISRA filed a lawsuit somewhere, in some court system, presumably on some grounds, hopefully with some co-plaintiffs, against some defendants. Yeah it would be nice if they included more info, I can understand being vague before they actually file, but after they have filed the suit, spill the beans and give details about the actual complaint! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted July 17, 2019 at 05:05 PM Share Posted July 17, 2019 at 05:05 PM It's about time!! I'm glad they are challenging this. It has always been about driving small FFLs out of business.I’ll be making a donation next payday. They’re doing what many of us are asking them to do. We can help by contributing. They’re taking the gloves offOver 2M FOID card holders in the state and IIRC less than 30,000 are ISRA members. More support would be a good thing (in spite of some things they do at times I might not agree with). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted July 17, 2019 at 05:23 PM Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 at 05:23 PM It's about time!! I'm glad they are challenging this. It has always been about driving small FFLs out of business.I’ll be making a donation next payday. They’re doing what many of us are asking them to do. We can help by contributing. They’re taking the gloves offOver 2M FOID card holders in the state and IIRC less than 30,000 are ISRA members. More support would be a good thing (in spite of some things they do at times I might not agree with).Well, with members here that filed witness slips in FAVOR of SB337 amendments, it’s hard to get all FOID holders on the same page to join the ISRA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeepSight Posted July 17, 2019 at 05:53 PM Share Posted July 17, 2019 at 05:53 PM I'll be making a donation as well. They deserve help with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted July 17, 2019 at 05:54 PM Share Posted July 17, 2019 at 05:54 PM FFLs v Kwame Raoul.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted July 17, 2019 at 06:08 PM Share Posted July 17, 2019 at 06:08 PM case 2019-CH-000253. (Chancery) http://records.sangamoncountycircuitclerk.org/sccc/CaseNumberSearch.sc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted July 17, 2019 at 06:08 PM Share Posted July 17, 2019 at 06:08 PM FFLs v Kwame Raoul.pdf Glad to see they are pushing the civil and constitutional rights angle, that should (hopefully) prevail in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted July 17, 2019 at 06:12 PM Share Posted July 17, 2019 at 06:12 PM Good to see our very own Kenny AKA KAP Guns is a plaintiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted July 17, 2019 at 06:32 PM Share Posted July 17, 2019 at 06:32 PM Good to see our very own Kenny AKA KAP Guns is a plaintiff. Go Kenny ETA: I moved this to the Judicial Forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevepk Posted July 17, 2019 at 08:24 PM Share Posted July 17, 2019 at 08:24 PM Why wasn’t a restraining order filed the day JB signed this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted July 17, 2019 at 08:30 PM Share Posted July 17, 2019 at 08:30 PM We were just talking about this! http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=72513&page=2&do=findComment&comment=1222368 It looks as if they are going with both the business chilling/unfair targeting and Second Amendment challenges, as well as the 14th amendment-esque angle that skinnyb82 referenced here: http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=72513&page=2&do=findComment&comment=1222291 Am I interpreting this correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangerdeepv Posted July 17, 2019 at 08:49 PM Share Posted July 17, 2019 at 08:49 PM Made a donation to support this.................we have to get these ding-a-lings out of office in Springfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnyb82 Posted July 17, 2019 at 09:37 PM Share Posted July 17, 2019 at 09:37 PM We were just talking about this! http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=72513&page=2&do=findComment&comment=1222368 It looks as if they are going with both the business chilling/unfair targeting and Second Amendment challenges, as well as the 14th amendment-esque angle that skinnyb82 referenced here: http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=72513&page=2#entry1222291 Am I interpreting this correctly? Sorta. This is state law. State constitution. Filed in Sangamon County. Count I, infringement on the state equivalent of 2A. Count II, infringement on the state equivalent of the 14A...or 5A, due process. Count III, violation of Illinois Administrative Procedures Act. Count I, Ill. State Const. Article I, Sec 22, right to keep and bear arms "35. The firearms dealer licensing requirements contained in 430 ILCS 68/5-1, et seq., which puts undue burdens on the ownership and operation of firearms retailers in the State of Illinois, and the rapid timing with which such requirements must be implemented, are arbitrary and unreasonable, and violate the named Plaintiffs’ right to sell, and their customers’ rights to purchases and possess, as well as ISRA’s members right to sell and purchase, firearms for self-defense as secured by Article I, Section 22 of the Illinois Constitution." Count II, Due Process Simply put, there is none. Full discretion given to ISP as to what is "adequate" insofar as storage, surveillance, what constitutes "[a] pattern of practice or other behavior which demonstrates incapacity or incompetency to practice under this Act." (ISP may fine $10k for that "offense" although it is not defined, so unfettered discretion given). Count III, Illinois APA Rules are a bleep show. There are none yet dealers are expected to comply. No input from dealers. Etc etc. In other words, rammed through with no consideration. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted July 17, 2019 at 10:23 PM Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 at 10:23 PM ^^^ It seriously sounds like a solid case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnyb82 Posted July 17, 2019 at 10:40 PM Share Posted July 17, 2019 at 10:40 PM It has the potential to be. That's assuming Sigale doesn't choke like he did when he argued Wilson in front of CA7. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domin8 Posted July 18, 2019 at 04:36 AM Share Posted July 18, 2019 at 04:36 AM 16 consecutive victories? What happened to Culp? Is that considered still ongoing? I'm still waiting to apply for my FCCL. Regardless, glad to see a lawsuit on this. I hope ISRA wins. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted July 18, 2019 at 04:48 AM Author Share Posted July 18, 2019 at 04:48 AM 16 consecutive victories? What happened to Culp? Is that considered still ongoing? I'm still waiting to apply for my FCCL. Regardless, glad to see a lawsuit on this. I hope ISRA wins. Sent from my SM-N960U using TapatalkThe ISRA is doing what we (members and gun owners) are asking them to do. They have been doing an outstanding job lately on multiple fronts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domin8 Posted July 18, 2019 at 05:19 AM Share Posted July 18, 2019 at 05:19 AM That didn't answer my questions. Yes, they are doing a great job, and I recognized that. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmallie Posted July 18, 2019 at 11:57 AM Share Posted July 18, 2019 at 11:57 AM The East St. Louis Housing Authority case was considered the 16th case. That was in April. Since the latest Culp "update" was late May, there is likely still action going to be taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted July 18, 2019 at 12:06 PM Share Posted July 18, 2019 at 12:06 PM 16 consecutive victories? What happened to Culp? Is that considered still ongoing? I'm still waiting to apply for my FCCL. Regardless, glad to see a lawsuit on this. I hope ISRA wins. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk You recently posted in another topic that you're a resident of Virginia now. That being the case, Culp v Raoul won't apply to you. Let's keep this topic about ISRA's challenge to dealer licensing. The Culp v Raoul topic is over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted July 18, 2019 at 12:43 PM Share Posted July 18, 2019 at 12:43 PM Saw this in my email. Made a donation. This is a step in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Posted July 19, 2019 at 02:09 PM Share Posted July 19, 2019 at 02:09 PM I think it is BS that they excluded Sparta from any of these regulations. The same way they exclude Sparta from the prohibition on selling ammo to out of state residents. It seems that if it hurts FFL's its fine but if Sparta has to suffer lets exempt them. That is Wrong!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted July 19, 2019 at 02:29 PM Share Posted July 19, 2019 at 02:29 PM As posted in the Sparta thread, http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=72514 they already had exemptions, but the licensing bill messed it up by not including that and the other exemption bill restored that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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