waynes Posted May 20, 2014 at 01:40 PM Share Posted May 20, 2014 at 01:40 PM A buddy of mine just got a revocation letter because he got caught up in the instructor fiasco. He has retaken the training from a different instructor. Seeing as how my google-fu is suffering from age related issues, does anybody have the phone for the FCCL group at ISP?Thanks in advance!!!! W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevis Posted May 20, 2014 at 01:42 PM Share Posted May 20, 2014 at 01:42 PM (217) 782-7980 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toyotabb Posted May 20, 2014 at 01:52 PM Share Posted May 20, 2014 at 01:52 PM More instructor issues :-( What happen? Hopefully a new training cert will fix the issue quickly for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zud Posted May 20, 2014 at 02:10 PM Share Posted May 20, 2014 at 02:10 PM I only see one new instructor on the revoked list, kind of narrows down who it is. I wonder what the story is behind this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted May 20, 2014 at 02:10 PM Share Posted May 20, 2014 at 02:10 PM http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=47588&page=1 This link will take you to the information about filing an appeal. He will want to include a copy/scan of his new training certificate. Question: Was his CCL revoked or was his application rejected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd Posted May 20, 2014 at 02:18 PM Share Posted May 20, 2014 at 02:18 PM I only see one new instructor on the revoked list, kind of narrows down who it is. I wonder what the story is behind this one.What is the preoccupation with what the reason is.....as has been beaten to death there are a multitude of reasons that could put a person on that list. Some of them, such as cheating on training make their way to the news through other channels. Other situations, involved a trip to the hospital...which is truly no one's business. The focus here ought be on the impact on the FCCL permit holder, and not the instructor. Would it be ok if everyone's personal details associated with a rejection were made public? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevis Posted May 20, 2014 at 02:20 PM Share Posted May 20, 2014 at 02:20 PM ...Would it be ok if everyone's personal details associated with a rejection were made public? Kind of tertiary to the thread, but I'd like just for an applicant to know the reason for a rejection, but we can't even get that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynes Posted May 20, 2014 at 02:26 PM Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 at 02:26 PM Thanks Molly,This was a revocation of CCL because of a misunderstanding/miscommunication re the rules about required hours. There was NOTHING underhanded going on at all. The applicant was made aware of the problem and took the steps needed to rectify it. It was his understanding that the second instructor was going to submit the new Certificate so he did not do it. Please don't blow this up into something it isn't.W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted May 20, 2014 at 02:31 PM Share Posted May 20, 2014 at 02:31 PM Thanks Molly, This was a revocation of CCL because of a misunderstanding/miscommunication re the rules about required hours. There was NOTHING underhanded going on at all. The applicant was made aware of the problem and took the steps needed to rectify it. It was his understanding that the second instructor was going to submit the new Certificate so he did not do it. Please don't blow this up into something it isn't. W No problem. I was just trying to clarify the situation. This is the first revocation I've heard about that was due to insufficient training. I've only heard of applications being rejected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd Posted May 20, 2014 at 02:31 PM Share Posted May 20, 2014 at 02:31 PM ...Would it be ok if everyone's personal details associated with a rejection were made public?Kind of tertiary to the thread, but I'd like just for an applicant to know the reason for a rejection, but we can't even get that much. So if the instructor voluntarily withdraws his creds because he has cancer...is that anyone's business? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynes Posted May 20, 2014 at 02:36 PM Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 at 02:36 PM Thanks Molly,I started to see a couple of rabbit trails show up and wanted to cut them off. BTW. To you, Todd and the other worker bees, I want to thank you for all the time and sweat you put in to this effort. This is an incredible example of a grass roots group fighting for our rights.You guys are the BEST!!! W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd Posted May 20, 2014 at 02:42 PM Share Posted May 20, 2014 at 02:42 PM I apologize for snapping at the prior post but, please permit me to make an appeal to everyone here from personal experience. There are rare instances like Security Guard College that warrant public castigation. The experience I have gone through of having my name show up on the Revoked Instructor list [due to a trip to the hospital with a life threatening illness] the same day that ISP put out a press release about revocations for illegal and repugnant conduct has been a damn nightmare. Not only did all of my peers here question it, but it got picked up by several of the national websites and to this day I am dealing with trolls using psuedonyms posting links to it every time I go to post on social media. Its like getting a Red A on your forehead. There are going to be alot of people that have filed appeals to Circuit Court listed in local newspapers. While the details of proceedings won't be made public, the fact that they had to appeal will....think about how you would react if it was you and you started getting questioned by everyone that you know.......not a great place to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevis Posted May 20, 2014 at 02:49 PM Share Posted May 20, 2014 at 02:49 PM So if the instructor voluntarily withdraws his creds because he has cancer...is that anyone's business? No, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about in the event of a rejected app, let the applicant, and only the applicant know why, whether it was an LEO objection (and the reason why), or a board review decision. If an instructor discontinued their creds, that's all that needs said, and shouldn't be a disqualifying circumstance anyway. If the training fulfilled the requirements, then it should be treated as valid and good. Your situation is a particularly egregious example of the removal of rights without due process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd Posted May 20, 2014 at 02:55 PM Share Posted May 20, 2014 at 02:55 PM The more interesting question is this...if the instructors creds were revoked for something other than inadequate training why should it have ANY impact on the student's training cert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevis Posted May 20, 2014 at 03:08 PM Share Posted May 20, 2014 at 03:08 PM The more interesting question is this...if the instructors creds were revoked for something other than inadequate training why should it have ANY impact on the student's training cert?Really, it shouldn't. But since this wasn't codified, the rules are at the whim of whomever is overseeing the process. The B-27 scoring thing is one good example of something codified in the law, but they STILL decide they are going to "suggest" changes, and since they have control of the whole process, there's no real consequence for them in doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Johnson Posted May 21, 2014 at 12:57 AM Share Posted May 21, 2014 at 12:57 AM Yep. Another example of just how bad this law and this process is. My sympathies to anyone caught up in this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67vtx1800 Posted May 21, 2014 at 01:34 AM Share Posted May 21, 2014 at 01:34 AM Should this be considered usual and customary for licenses to get revoked? How long is the look back period. I can understand denying apps, but to revoke an active license is just wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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