remchance Posted April 25, 2014 at 05:21 AM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 05:21 AM I have 23 friends/family not including myself who have been denied. From 24 years of age all the way to 59yo. None including myself have any convictions or anything which denies a person to not have a ccl. And many many more posting here and on other groups/ forums about it. Unless you do not have the ability to obtain a foid card you should not be denied a ccl. If you are found guilty of domestic you loose your foid, felons loose their foid, have a pending or active restraining order loose your foid. What the Heck is so hard about this. Now many of us are dishing out not only $150 to the state for the license application. But $300 for appeal then more for lawyers, time and aggravation are money waisted as well. I sit down and wonder why in the Heck have I even waisted my time and money even applying and going through the 8hr course I needed. Just to be denied. Then if I did get it where the Heck could I carry besides my car.... I'm fighting it because it's my constitutional right and not letting some communist state take that away from me. I have been carrying legally in other states for years. Have a Utah ccw my work has me traveling often. Other states trust me but not my own. Bs. We all got con into this. We all backed a loose law and jumped hoops for the anti s to get it passed and now we are stuck in he'll. I'm not blaming the NRA. But I have been a member for a long time just like many others. I just don't understand now after seeing all these loopholes why they would back such a fragelint bill. Brandon Phelps was so pushy about this bill where the Heck is he while we are all being denied without due process. His hands helped write this bill and kissed butt to push it through. Don't even try and blame us the people. We follows the law. We did what it said. Know our records know what can and can't be to receive a ccl. We pay these people to be our mouths and to protect our rights and were setup for failure for a kiss butt bill. There is my vent. Take it as you want. But this is a bunch of bull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad O. Posted April 25, 2014 at 05:46 AM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 05:46 AM Yep...... Knew it would happen all along. Every step of the way we had the same people say: Give the law chance, no one has been sent to the review board, yet.....and hen it became...give the review board a chance, they'll put a stop to frivolous objections...... Some people are too trusting. And they'll never learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marathonrunner Posted April 25, 2014 at 11:42 AM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 11:42 AM The NRA are currently working on straightening things out and if you look on this board, there is already a class action for "due process" and by next year things will get better. Most of the denied will have a tough time in circuit court even with a good lawyer but when things change and the court overturns the review board's incorrect decision process, people will be able to get their licenses. I have not been denied yet but ISP is definitely stalling to approve my application. They will probably try to string me along for another 60 days. I am already into it 120 and I paid for the livescan which was money not well spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0beit Posted April 25, 2014 at 11:51 AM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 11:51 AM I get more and more anxious about my own application the more I read this section, especially being from Crook County.I hope it works out in the end for everybody... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSharp Posted April 25, 2014 at 11:53 AM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 11:53 AM This is how Illinois turns a 'shall issue' law into 'may issue' Obscure and unpublished 'rules' and specious administrative procedures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDEESUL Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:50 PM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:50 PM That's a huge amount of friends and family to be denied. Most people don't know a single person who's been denied, let alone 23. Where are you located? Do the local LEO have it out for you or something? You mention convictions, etc. But what about arrests? Dui's? There has to be some reason this happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My 2 cents Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:53 PM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:53 PM I have 23 friends/family not including myself who have been denied. From 24 years of age all the way to 59yo. None including myself have any convictions or anything which denies a person to not have a ccl.And many many more posting here and on other groups/ forums about it. Unless you do not have the ability to obtain a foid card you should not be denied a ccl.If you are found guilty of domestic you loose your foid, felons loose their foid, have a pending or active restraining order loose your foid. What the Heck is so hard about this. Now many of us are dishing out not only $150 to the state for the license application. But $300 for appeal then more for lawyers, time and aggravation are money waisted as well. I sit down and wonder why in the Heck have I even waisted my time and money even applying and going through the 8hr course I needed. Just to be denied. Then if I did get it where the Heck could I carry besides my car.... I'm fighting it because it's my constitutional right and not letting some communist state take that away from me. I have been carrying legally in other states for years. Have a Utah ccw my work has me traveling often. Other states trust me but not my own. Bs. We all got con into this. We all backed a loose law and jumped hoops for the anti s to get it passed and now we are stuck in he'll. I'm not blaming the NRA. But I have been a member for a long time just like many others. I just don't understand now after seeing all these loopholes why they would back such a fragelint bill. Brandon Phelps was so pushy about this bill where the Heck is he while we are all being denied without due process. His hands helped write this bill and kissed butt to push it through. Don't even try and blame us the people. We follows the law. We did what it said. Know our records know what can and can't be to receive a ccl. We pay these people to be our mouths and to protect our rights and were setup for failure for a kiss butt bill. There is my vent. Take it as you want. But this is a bunch of bull I agree with ya remchance and I don't understand why these people won't be so kind as to post even so much as vague details on the threads about denials. I have actually started one of these threads and have had very little luck with obtaining any input from members. You would think that at the very least members woud give a date when they applied and a date when they were denied. Did all your friends and family go to a class with a bum instructor and that's what wiped them out? Can ya help a brother out and post maybe a little information on how many days you were into this before you were denied? "I applied on (date) and was denied on (date)? Denial letter stated?" http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=48307 I'll look for your post on my not so popular thread. I did notice you forgot to include the price of training in your rant. Thanks and I hope everything eventually works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackTripper Posted April 25, 2014 at 01:03 PM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 01:03 PM 23 people? That you personally know? I find that VERY difficult to believe. If not for this board, I would not know anywhere close to 23 people who have even APPLIED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyDuty Posted April 25, 2014 at 01:04 PM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 01:04 PM 23 people? That you personally know? I find that VERY difficult to believe. If not for this board, I would not know anywhere close to 23 people who have even APPLIED. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elderberry Posted April 25, 2014 at 01:11 PM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 01:11 PM Heck, I don't know anyone who has been denied. Not one. Zip. Nada....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted April 25, 2014 at 01:11 PM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 01:11 PM Did they all take SGC classes? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Johnson Posted April 25, 2014 at 01:20 PM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 01:20 PM Not all of us supported this law. I called my (pro 2a) rep and state senator and begged them to vote against it. I still don't understand why our side caved and took it.I was lucky enough to get my CCL in about 110 days with no objections and no issues but I still don't like the law as passed. It will be a very long time before this bad law is made good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted April 25, 2014 at 01:26 PM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 01:26 PM I also called to seek it not passing. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remchance Posted April 25, 2014 at 01:27 PM Author Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 01:27 PM Can only speak for myself. And yes it has entirely to do with the local Leo. The only reason I am being denied is from an incident 9 years ago where my dad and I had an argument cops called. No physical altercation. Cops jumped on me when I closed the door to keep the cold air out. Charges dropped. When I lived at my parents who live in the same town. Cops would show up saying they were called from time to time. My dad has been here a long long time . Grew up with many of the officers. Knows their secrets. And calls bs on them all the time. They hold it against myself and my sister's since young. Im big in to training bird dogs. And have many connections. Thus the amount of people I know who have been denied. And no I do not know all of them personally. Friends of friends. Friends of family. Etc.Have been hunting and around firearms since I was old enough to walk. Not a newbie in any way. Applied 1/26 denied 3/20 Again I have a foid since 16, Utah ccw for 6 years, never used a firearm on anyone. Never court ordered treatment. Never institutionalize. No convictions. So please give me a better reason. I have a FOID CARD. And a UTAH CCW. And a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rat Posted April 25, 2014 at 01:30 PM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 01:30 PM Does anyone have updated numbers on the total number of denials to date? Last we heard it was under 1% of the applications, wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtr100 Posted April 25, 2014 at 01:36 PM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 01:36 PM Wow - I'm getting calls from my students who are receiving cards now. Something doesn't smell right - did you all post the same time and do one thing wrong in the process? Security Guard College graduates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted April 25, 2014 at 01:52 PM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 01:52 PM Does anyone have updated numbers on the total number of denials to date? Last we heard it was under 1% of the applications, wasn't it?http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20140418/news/140418195/ The Illinois State Police have received 1,669 objections from law enforcement agencies across the state, with about half of those coming from the Cook County Sheriff's Department. That's compared to 33,207 licenses that have been granted since Illinois first began approving licenses earlier this year. About 365 applications that have triggered objections are being reviewed again by the state's Concealed Carry Review Board, according to state police spokeswoman Monique Bond. The board reviews objections from other law enforcement agencies as well as appeals from individuals who say they were denied permits unfairly. However, the board does not hear all requests. Ben Breit, Cook County Sheriff Department communications director, said the agency has filed more than half of the objections sent to the state police, with 839 for Chicago and suburban Cook County applicants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remchance Posted April 25, 2014 at 01:54 PM Author Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 01:54 PM Some can possibly be from the Bolingbrook brook thing. Just going on what I Here. Maybe not the best way to start a thread. But hey it got you all reading. Lol. On a personal level I know 6 people. my dad , and a few close friends. None any convictions. Or any of the other disqualification like a bunch of arrests. And I know I know. You got your ccl great that's wonderful I'm proud of you. But just cause I don't have mine yet don't make me a convict. That's the worst part. Being denied takes your chest and drops it to the floor. It's like being called a felon. I ain't no damn felon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rat Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:02 PM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:02 PM Does anyone have updated numbers on the total number of denials to date? Last we heard it was under 1% of the applications, wasn't it?http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20140418/news/140418195/ The Illinois State Police have received 1,669 objections from law enforcement agencies across the state, with about half of those coming from the Cook County Sheriff's Department. That's compared to 33,207 licenses that have been granted since Illinois first began approving licenses earlier this year. About 365 applications that have triggered objections are being reviewed again by the state's Concealed Carry Review Board, according to state police spokeswoman Monique Bond. The board reviews objections from other law enforcement agencies as well as appeals from individuals who say they were denied permits unfairly. However, the board does not hear all requests. Ben Breit, Cook County Sheriff Department communications director, said the agency has filed more than half of the objections sent to the state police, with 839 for Chicago and suburban Cook County applicants. Thanks. Those are objections and I'm wondering what the total number of objections that have been upheld by the Board is or how many have been denied outright by the ISP - except for the invalid training, which is another issue altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elderberry Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:03 PM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:03 PM Does anyone have updated numbers on the total number of denials to date? Last we heard it was under 1% of the applications, wasn't it? I think, logically, this site will hear from a proportionally larger number of applicants who are experiencing problems. It's sort of like the "reviews" from folks who have made internet purchases -- you read the reviews and it sounds like product "X" is junk and then you buy one and it is trouble free... I have no doubt that agencies in certain areas of this state are not playing fair in the sandbox but I still believe that will (eventually) get resolved. Unfortunately, some folks will suffer until it is resolved and I hate that... It sucks, but no one said life would be fair... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtr100 Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:08 PM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:08 PM Since Fudd found out from the ISP they have no written procedures or training in the process I guess this isn’t too surprising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDEESUL Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:09 PM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:09 PM Some can possibly be from the Bolingbrook brook thing. Just going on what I Here. Maybe not the best way to start a thread. But hey it got you all reading. Lol. On a personal level I know 6 people. my dad , and a few close friends. None any convictions. Or any of the other disqualification like a bunch of arrests. And I know I know. You got your ccl great that's wonderful I'm proud of you. But just cause I don't have mine yet don't make me a convict. That's the worst part. Being denied takes your chest and drops it to the floor. It's like being called a felon. I ain't no damn felon. Did you just see your status change to denied on your application? Or receive a denial letter? If so, what did the letter say? Never any other arrests other than the bs altercation you mentioned? also, where are you located? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Pucker Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:10 PM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:10 PM I'm no expert on denials, but I read a lot. From what I understand, that list of questions about your background from 5 years ago to the present that you answered on your application was just a starting point. Apparently if your name pops up for any reason during your background check, there's a possibililty that local LE might file an objection. Apparently an objection does not necessarily need to be due to a conviction. An arrest, charges dropped, guilty plea and probation, etc. It has been suggested in another thread that if you have anything like this in your background that you need to get your record expunged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDEESUL Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:11 PM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:11 PM I'm no expert on denials, but I read a lot. From what I understand, that list of questions about your background from 5 years ago to the present that you answered on your application was just a starting point. Apparently if your name pops up for any reason during your background check, there's a possibililty that local LE might file an objection. Apparently an objection does not necessarily need to be due to a conviction. An arrest, charges dropped, guilty plea and probation, etc. It has been suggested in another thread that if you have anything like this in your background that you need to get your record expunged. That's not true. I've been arrested multiple times, and had no problem. Never had anything expunged, but never been convicted of anything either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elderberry Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:13 PM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:13 PM http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=48351&hl= There are folks working on these issues for those who have been unjustly denied... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remchance Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:14 PM Author Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:14 PM No I already filed my appeal last week. Just said danger to self and others. Only other arrest are juvinial. Like trespassing. But juvinial. I just felt like ranting about it. Haven't yet until now. Felt good at the time lolNo convictions here either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Pucker Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:50 PM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:50 PM I'm no expert on denials, but I read a lot. From what I understand, that list of questions about your background from 5 years ago to the present that you answered on your application was just a starting point. Apparently if your name pops up for any reason during your background check, there's a possibililty that local LE might file an objection. Apparently an objection does not necessarily need to be due to a conviction. An arrest, charges dropped, guilty plea and probation, etc. It has been suggested in another thread that if you have anything like this in your background that you need to get your record expunged.That's not true. I've been arrested multiple times, and had no problem. Never had anything expunged, but never been convicted of anything either. Tell Molly it isn't true, then. http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=47903&p=721325 Notice I said 'possibility.' You apparently got lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My 2 cents Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:51 PM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:51 PM I'm no expert on denials, but I read a lot. From what I understand, that list of questions about your background from 5 years ago to the present that you answered on your application was just a starting point. Apparently if your name pops up for any reason during your background check, there's a possibililty that local LE might file an objection. Apparently an objection does not necessarily need to be due to a conviction. An arrest, charges dropped, guilty plea and probation, etc. It has been suggested in another thread that if you have anything like this in your background that you need to get your record expunged.That's not true. I've been arrested multiple times, and had no problem. Never had anything expunged, but never been convicted of anything either. If you don't mind me asking what years were your last couple of arrests? Were they within 5 yrs.or were they a decade or 2 ago? Is it safe to assume that your arrests were different in nature? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomersand Posted April 25, 2014 at 03:55 PM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 03:55 PM There isn't a question on the app regarding prior arrests. They are making this into a witch hunt and deny anyone that has an arrest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob Posted April 25, 2014 at 04:18 PM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 04:18 PM There isn't a question on the app regarding prior arrests. They are making this into a witch hunt and deny anyone that has an arrest. "They" ? There are statutorily required denials and there are review board denials. The ISP has been given the task of sorting through the applications it receives and denying those who have not met the minimum requirements found in the statute such as paying the fee, filling in the application, having a FOID, training requirements fulfilled, etc. The ISP has no choice in this manner. the law is very clear about this. It does not appear there have been any issues with that side of it. Then there are those applicants who are referred to the review board, either by the ISP because the law says they have to do so, or by some LEA that has entered an objection. I have not seen any numbers on it real recently, but at one time only about half of those applicants sent to the review board were denied. The other half got their licenses. The law allows the board to set its own rules for who they deny and who they don't deny, and the law makes it expensive and time consuming to even find out why someone was denied, and with no effective means of appeal. Why this star chamber was created that operates in such secrecy is unclear. One fix to this would be to change the FCCA so that the meetings of the review board are subject to the Open Meetings Law and its proceedings and decisions become public record, or at least subject to FOI requests. That would at least open up the boards operations to the light of public scrutiny which is always good government. i would not be at all surprised if a year or two down the road some court determines that the way the board operates is unconstitutional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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