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  1. This was the worst experience renewing my FOID and CCL I have ever gone through. As an instructor, the ISP made me go through a 3-hour certification process in which I chose to take the class. I recommend others paying for their FOID first, then the CCL the next day. I was under the impression that if you paid for your CCL, you didn't have to pay for the FOID. In was in error. I was on vacation when I got a notice I had to pay for the FOID which only delayed my application weeks. Then, I couldn't pay it since the payment button on my dashboard was grayed out. I called the ISP hotline during regular business hours and used automated CC payment to do that. Then, I couldn't add the 3-hour cert to my dashboard either as there was no button to add it. I added it by email directly to the ISP. Who knows what the procedure will be next time. Final results: 6/9/23 CCL payment 8/5/23 3-Hour cert class 8/7/23 FOID payment 8/10/23 FOID approved 8/13/23 3-hour cert added 8/15/23 In review 9/15/23 CCL approved with prints Total days in process: 96 give or take zoz
  2. I do not recommend self-certifying the 3-hour class. It's a conflict of interest, a possible ISP auditing issue down the road and possible future CCL application rejection. Take the class and keep the cert because, as of now, they do not expire. That's next to go. Oh, and when you qualify shooting, take a photo of the B-27 with your 30 holes because sooner or later... zoz
  3. I'm an currently valid CCL instructor (former LEO) but not a current LEO nor carrying under LEOSA or IROCC. As previously posted, they made me add a 3-hour cert to my CCL application. So...I went to a class held by another instructor (I don't believe in self-certifying), bcame a student had some fun shooting and found the class refreshing! I'll do it every year because police officers certify every year at least, some twice a year and practice shooting makes a better defensive technique. Also, I'm happy they also charged me $11 for the FOID. Additionally, since they did this to me as an instructor, I am no longer updating any teaching credentials if the ISP does not ask for them. zoz
  4. Update: 08/07/23 The bottom line: All ISP certified instructors are required to possess a valid CCL to teach. Additionally- and this is new since 2014 when JCAR changed that- when those instructors are renewing their license CCL, if they are not carrying under LEOSA or IROCC, they are required to send a completed 3-hour certification with it. I am an instuctor in good standing and had submitted my renewal with the exemption checked. My exemption was based upon Public Safety (430 ILCS 66/ Firearms Concealed Carry Act (Source: P. A. 98-63, eff. 7-9-13, section 75(h) Applicant Firearms Training, instructors are exempt from re-certification. My renewal was rejected. I appealed to the ISP Review Board and the clarification came today. Good morning, Mr. XXXX Upon your request for re-determination it has been discovered that there has been no error. The exemption you are claiming expired in April of 2014, as stated in the JCAR Rules regarding CCL. Since April of 2014 all ISP instructors have been required to have an ILCCL unless they are legally allowed to have a CCL to carry a firearm (i.e. having an active LEOSA or IROCC, or being an active LEO with full carry privileges). TITLE 20: CORRECTIONS, CRIMINAL JUSTICE, AND LAW ENFORCEMENT CHAPTER II: ILLINOIS STATE POLICE PART 1231 FIREARM CONCEALED CARRY ACT PROCEDURES SECTION 1231.20 INSTRUCTOR APPROVAL Section 1231.20 Instructor Approval a) Applicants for Concealed Carry Firearm Instructor (Instructor) approval shall meet the requirements of Section 80 of the Act and shall maintain: 1) A valid Firearm Owner's Identification (FOID) Card or, if an out-of-state resident, the applicant must meet all of the eligibility requirements to obtain a FOID Card other than Illinois residency (see 20 Ill. Adm. Code 1230); and 2) After April 16, 2014, a valid FCCL, unless the applicant is not required to possess an FCCL to conceal and carry handguns in Illinois, or, if the applicant is an out-of-state resident not from a substantially similar state, that person shall provide proof to the Department upon request that he or she is not required to possess an FCCL to conceal and carry handguns in Illinois, or that he or she is eligible to carry under the laws of his or her state or territory of residence. In order to remain an ILCCL instructor, you must provide a completed and signed 3-hour training certificate from a valid ILCCL instructor. Please provide this certificate within 60 days or your instructor license will be revoked until all requirements are satisfied. You may respond directly to this account. Thank you, ISP CCL My view: The benefit to being a CCL instructor formerly was that I was exempt from shooting qualifications. But that exemption is apparently gone. As an instuctor, I would not recertify myself. They gave me that option but I would not recommend that. They'll probably throw that one out too. I took the re-certification class Saturday. I found the class refreshing and got a chance to shoot. I'll probably take it every year. zoz
  5. I had already done that in a separate fax when my NRA certificate was renewed. zoz
  6. Here is another ISP change. I am an instructor. Last month I applied to renew my CCL. In the spot where I'm supposed to download the certificate I uploaded my NRA pistol instructor certificate. On my 2018 CCL application that was accepted by ISP. Not on today's application. According to the Public Safety (430 ILCS 66/ Firearms Concealed Carry Act (Source: P. A. 98-63, eff. 7-9-13, section 75(h) Applicant Firearms Training, instructors are exempt from re-certification: (h) A person who has qualified to carry a firearm as an active law enforcement or corrections officer, who has successfully completed firearms training as required by his or her law enforcement agency and is authorized by his or her agency to carry a firearm; a person currently certified as a firearms instructor by this Act or by the Illinois Law Enforcement Training Standards Board; or a person who has completed the required training and has been issued a firearm control card by the Department of Financial and Professional Regulation shall be exempt from the requirements of this Section. Today, July 30 I was able to correct my CCL application, marked the instructor exemption and insert my instructor number into the form and it was saved. Today, July 31, I received a notice from ISP that as an instructor, I must submit a 3-hour training certificate for the exemption. I was advised I could train myself as long as I submitted the form. So, in addition to us instructors not being exempt under the act, the NRA certification apparently is not an approved instructor recognized by the ISP? This is a head scratcher to me! zoz
  7. In June, I applied for my CCL and FOID. They were already linked together with the same expiration date, December, 2023. The payment for the CCL went through. The payment icon for the FOID was there but when I hit it I got the "You are not authorized to be in this portal" message. I could NOT pay for the FOID in any manner. A week later, I got a text notice that my CCL application had a pending payment missing flag, apparently for the FOID. The notice came again the next week. Once again I could not pay for the FOID. So I called ISP Firearms Bureau and spoke with Tiffany. She checked with her supervisor the next day and reported back to me that if you pay for the CCL, the FOID is automatically renewed with no additional charge. I believe this is because they were already linked with the same expiration date. zoz
  8. Okay, I'll list her maiden name. Thanks for the quick reply, I'm trying to get this done tonight. It's something I never thought of until I went through my CCW class and it was mentioned to have a backup FOID household member. She is worried about losing her teaching license. I said this will only serve to protect her. (And if something happens to me...my wife is going to become the owner of some nice firearms!) My wife is a teacher. She is a principal. She received her FOID yesterday. Being credentialed in both are not related. zoz
  9. Applied date- 12/19/2013 Payment date- 12/20/2013 Instr or not- Yes Lic. number- 5633 Fingerprints or not - Yes Approved date - 2/27/14 Mail date: 02/28/14 Arrival date - 3/3/14 Peru, IL
  10. If you have upgraded your Mac to Mavericks 10.9.1 using any browser Firefox 26.0, Safari7.0.1, Chrome (is only 32 bit, does not recognize Java) or Opera (does not recognize Java), they will not work. My advice: Set up your digital ID using a PC with Windows 8.0+ and IE browser v. 8-11, Java v. 7.45 with compatibility settings on. I had to use my friend's PC at his place of business to establish an Illinois digital ID. At the end of the digital ID screen you should have seen a "congratulations" pane. Once you have the digital ID, then you can access the FCCL application page using a Mac and fill out the forms. Actually, for security reasons, this is quite good. Your in trouble if at any time you get these notices: "Thank you. Target now has your personal information" or "Sheriff Dart is immediately objecting to your application". zoz
  11. FYI: If you send money via Paypal for the curriculum using a Paypal balance (not credit card, debit card or e-check) and using the radio button for send money to friend, there are no fees. No fees for the sender or receiver. I'm send mine in like this Friday. zoz
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