Ferguson and the Oathkeepers prove absolutely the need for open carry

[Bud]

When it becomes obvious, time and time again, that the police or even the National Guard will not be able to protect you, then it becomes time to band together with others to protect your property.

 

The best way to do that is an open and legal show of force.

 

The purest example for the need for the 2nd Amendment is ongoing in Ferguson where Missouri law allows open carry for concealed carry permit holders.

 

I now believe, because of the situation that continues to expand, that it is urgent that Illinois pass an open carry law

 

 

 

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[TyGuy]

You can open carry on your own land, fixed place of business, or invitee therein already.

[tkroenlein]

But you can't stand on the sidewalk in front of your home or business or walk across the street to your neighbors.

[Craigcelia]

I personally would like to see it happen and be given the option; although I probably wouldn't do it.

[Warped]

Here we go again

 

 

[BShawn]

I'm BShawn and I approve of this message!

 

(yes, we need OC here in IL)!

[Mr. Fife]

But you can't stand on the sidewalk in front of your home or business or walk across the street to your neighbors.

Wait, what if I got on my roof in Chicago with a legal rifle or shotgun, kinda like the picture Bud posted? Would that help or hinder our cause? Nevermind, it's kind of cold out and I'm kind of scared of heights in my old age.

[Bud]

Here we go again

 

 

if you had been here just a tad longer, you would realize I have always been the one to dismiss the notion of open carry. I never believed that is should be a priority.

 

But, in your own smarmy way, you leaped up and slammed your foot deep into your mouth just to act like you know better.

[bcook619]

My question is, Dont these places have insurance? For me im not risking my life for property. how much property will you loose in court if you actually shoot someone? Your home maybe but a business I just dont know.

 

As to Open carry, in this case it serves its true purpose, intimidation. People see the guns and go loot elsewhere.

[TyGuy]

If you watch the interviews you'll learn that many of the businesses they are guarding have apartments upstairs. The Oathkeepers are protecting property and lives.

[tkroenlein]

My question is, Dont these places have insurance? For me im not risking my life for property. how much property will you loose in court if you actually shoot someone? Your home maybe but a business I just dont know.

 

As to Open carry, in this case it serves its true purpose, intimidation. People see the guns and go loot elsewhere.

 

I've heard and read that intentional acts of arson are not covered by insurance.

[johnsxdm]

My question is, Dont these places have insurance?

Quick answer, NO ! ! Insurance policies do not cover "civil unrest" just like they don't cover "acts of war".

[Uncle Harley]

Hey where are all the " open carry makes you the first target " people now. Most of us who have always supported open carry have always said that there is definitely a time and place for it and that it wouldn't be proper in all occasions, Well THIS is one of those occasions where it would be proper to do so.

[Tango7]

My question is, Dont these places have insurance? For me im not risking my life for property.

How many insurance policies provide protection during times of civil unrest or warfare? Does yours?

 

how much property will you loose in court if you actually shoot someone? Your home maybe but a business I just dont know.

Like all other cases it will likely be based on if the use of force was justified or not. A reply question - if sacrificing summer of your property and life's work is acceptable sometimes, what's the limit, and under what circumstances? If your primary concern is potential litigation rather than protecting you and yours, send your CHL back to the using authority and sell your guns.

 

As to Open carry, in this case it serves its true purpose, intimidation. People see the guns and go loot elsewhere.

Intimidation implies a potentially unlawful use or coercion of otherwise law abiding individuals. Others might prefer the term "deterrent", especially as it relates to criminals contemplating the commission of one or more forcible felonies in or near your location and involving your property.

[Tango7]

I've heard and read that intentional acts of arson are not covered by insurance.

If the arson is committed for the purpose of insurance fraud your statement is absolutely correct... however if a person intentionally sets my property on fire without my permission, knowledge or criminal conspiracy involved then the answer is no, insurance will pay for someone else starting fires. As long as it's not during a period of what could be deemed civil unrest, or warfare.

[SFC Stu]

Civil unrest is not covered by insurance.

[Bud]

 

As to Open carry, in this case it serves its true purpose, intimidation. People see the guns and go loot elsewhere.

Intimidation implies a potentially unlawful use or coercion of otherwise law abiding individuals. Others might prefer the term "deterrent", especially as it relates to criminals contemplating the commission of one or more forcible felonies in or near your location and involving your property.

 

I don't believe it is an attempt to intimidate but rather "I have no intention of allowing you to victimize me so go elsewhere"

[bcook619]

Your chances of being litigated, or going to jail, if you sat on your front porch everyday with a AR and a ski mask, then one day shot somebody would be pretty high. Comparing that to me going to walmart with a CCW and shooting somebody who is robbing me are beyond even close to being similar.

 

I have to believe that arson is covered under my insurance unless im the one that set the fire.

[Uncle Harley]

Your chances of being litigated, or going to jail, if you sat on your front porch everyday with a AR and a ski mask, then one day shot somebody would be pretty high. Comparing that to me going to walmart with a CCW and shooting somebody who is robbing me are beyond even close to being similar.

 

I have to believe that arson is covered under my insurance unless im the one that set the fire.

 

you better check on that, unless you have a specific rider I'll be a dollar to a horse turd it doesn't

[Tip]

Probably not - virtually every insurance policy contains provisions denying coverage for riots and acts of civil insurrection and acts of war.

I am willing to bet NONE of the Ferguson losses will be covered by insurance.

[miztic]

I have always supported open carry, so glad you're on board too Bud!

My approach to Ferguson was mostly "give the authorities the chance to get it under control", I won't be making that mistake again. The next time something like this goes down, I will be on a rooftop.

 

A note about insurance, just because you have insurance doesn't mean you're not losing money, you may not be out of business, but I guarantee it's a setback, I bet it'll still end up costing you thousands even if insurance pays out, and that's a big IF.

[Warped]

 

Here we go again

 

 

if you had been here just a tad longer, you would realize I have always been the one to dismiss the notion of open carry. I never believed that is should be a priority.

 

But, in your own smarmy way, you leaped up and slammed your foot deep into your mouth just to act like you know better.

 

 

smarmy adjective \ˈsmär-mē\

 

: behaving in a way that seems polite, kind, or pleasing but is not genuine or believable

 

smarm·i·ersmarm·i·est

 

Full Definition of SMARMY

 

: revealing or marked by a smug, ingratiating, or false earnestness <a tone of smarmy self-satisfaction New Yorker>

 

I wasn't trying to be polite or ingenuine or "SMARMY"

 

I called it as I saw it

 

Whether you think O.C. is low priority or high priority is moot

This subject has been discussed Ad nauseam here

 

And if you want to be insulting

I could say your just being a pot stirring TROLL

by bringing the O.C. subject up again

[Warped]

Double post

[borgranta]

My question is, Dont these places have insurance? For me im not risking my life for property. how much property will you loose in court if you actually shoot someone? Your home maybe but a business I just dont know.

 

As to Open carry, in this case it serves its true purpose, intimidation. People see the guns and go loot elsewhere.

Most if not all insurance will not cover riot and/or civil unrest damage so if a business is burned down the owner will lose everything.

[borgranta]

 

As to Open carry, in this case it serves its true purpose, intimidation. People see the guns and go loot elsewhere.

Intimidation implies a potentially unlawful use or coercion of otherwise law abiding individuals. Others might prefer the term "deterrent", especially as it relates to criminals contemplating the commission of one or more forcible felonies in or near your location and involving your property.

 

This means that cops are guilty of intimidation for merely openly carrying.

[borgranta]

I have heard people refer to openly carrying as a deterrent rather than intimidation.

[borgranta]

It does not hurt while openly carrying in such a situation to have the at least one concealed backup gun.

[TyGuy]

It does not hurt while openly carrying in such a situation to have the at least one concealed backup gun.

I live by the rule that 7 is 6, 6 is 5, 6 is 4, 4 is 3, 3 is 2, 2 is 1, and 1 is none.

[Ranger]

Given that we are still in Illinois, I have to ask...

 

Would passage of Open Carry legislation give the antis political/legal cover to again outlaw concealed carry?

 

If so, I'm not anxious to make that swap. If not, I'm supportive of it even though I know there'd probably be some idiots out there making all gun owners look bad and hurting our cause.

[Bud]

Many States that have open carry also require a concealed carry permit to be allowed to open carry.

 

That's the current (and new) open carry law in Missouri