Euler Posted May 3, 2019 at 08:54 PM Share Posted May 3, 2019 at 08:54 PM Indeed, it's gone from the NRA site. The Wayback Machine got a copy of it, though. NRA Supports Guns Save Life's Challenge to Illinois’s FOID Act Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flingarrows Posted May 4, 2019 at 01:04 AM Share Posted May 4, 2019 at 01:04 AM How do other states keep ineligible people from buying guns (person to person) if they don't have something like a FOID card? Uncle Ralph, who lived in Ft Wayne, IN, bought a few nice guns at garage sales over the years. You just show up early, make a deal, pay with cash and take it home... or load it and stash it under the front seat for later. I really like that no waiting period thing in states like Indiana. Perhaps in our Illinois future there could be a compromise: NO FOID = minimum 3 day waiting period for NICS to clear. FOID/CCL = no waiting period. Only Illinois has a FOID... NJ has something similar (FID?) but I don't know how similar it is. Another stupid thought... how about a Federal FOID that lets you buy anywhere with no waiting period as long as the FOID check by phone is approved? Sort of like TSA PreCheck where you get access to the shorter, faster line. Shopping while traveling would be so much more fun and expensive. I'm not interested in any FOID. My drivers license works fine in Indiana Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted May 4, 2019 at 07:43 PM Share Posted May 4, 2019 at 07:43 PM Indeed, it's gone from the NRA site. The Wayback Machine got a copy of it, though.NRA Supports Guns Save Life's Challenge to Illinois’s FOID Act Do you think that means they no longer support this action? Could that be because of the problems that surfaced at the annual meetings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted May 4, 2019 at 08:00 PM Share Posted May 4, 2019 at 08:00 PM Indeed, it's gone from the NRA site. The Wayback Machine got a copy of it, though. NRA Supports Guns Save Life's Challenge to Illinois’s FOID Act Do you think that means they no longer support this action? Could that be because of the problems that surfaced at the annual meetings? I wonder if it's because no one can find a reference to such a lawsuit. Do we really know it actually exists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted May 4, 2019 at 08:16 PM Author Share Posted May 4, 2019 at 08:16 PM Indeed, it's gone from the NRA site. The Wayback Machine got a copy of it, though.NRA Supports Guns Save Life's Challenge to Illinois’s FOID Act Do you think that means they no longer support this action? Could that be because of the problems that surfaced at the annual meetings?I wonder if it's because no one can find a reference to such a lawsuit. Do we really know it actually exists?GSL still has an article up about the lawsuit, but no additional detail. *dunno whats going on* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted May 5, 2019 at 01:57 AM Share Posted May 5, 2019 at 01:57 AM It is nice to know that the NRA is actually announcing they're supporting the lawsuit against the FOID card act after abandoning Illinois to the LWW's here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted May 5, 2019 at 02:24 AM Share Posted May 5, 2019 at 02:24 AM My guess is the NRA jumped on the coattails of the GSL lawsuit, and overstepped their politeness and rank in making the announcement they did. I believe this has happpened before when the NRA has joined a lawsuit and started to make premature and out of order press announcements in regards to a lawsuit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingcreek Posted May 7, 2019 at 09:19 PM Share Posted May 7, 2019 at 09:19 PM Now if only the ISRA would get behind it.I had a personal discussion (ie argument) with R Pearson years ago and I was very disappointed to find that he actually supported the FOID (atleast he did at that time). I have always felt it should be declared unconstitutional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Flag Posted May 14, 2019 at 01:02 AM Share Posted May 14, 2019 at 01:02 AM Quotes from above: 1. Indeed, it's gone from the NRA site. The Wayback Machine got a copy of it, though.NRA Supports Guns Save Life's Challenge to Illinois’s FOID Act 2. Do you think that means they no longer support this action? Could that be because of the problems that surfaced at the annual meetings? 3. I wonder if it's because no one can find a reference to such a lawsuit. Do we really know it actually exists? 4. GSL still has an article up about the lawsuit, but no additional detail. *dunno whats going on* ---------------------------------------------------------- Now it's gone from the GSL site. Nothing to see.That's weird. At the heart of it is a man who got swatted because Illinois said that his 2nd Amendment Rights Expired.The suit would have been very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted May 14, 2019 at 01:33 AM Share Posted May 14, 2019 at 01:33 AM https://web.archive.org/web/20190506182921/www.gunssavelife.com/walking-the-walk-guns-save-life-files-suit-challenging-foid-act/ Since Todd V. was mentioned as being involved, I wonder if he can shed some light? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird76Mojo Posted May 14, 2019 at 05:12 AM Share Posted May 14, 2019 at 05:12 AM Todd V may not be visiting this site anymore? I think he was being heavily censored here. It seems to be a growing thing with IllinoisCarry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted May 14, 2019 at 06:25 AM Share Posted May 14, 2019 at 06:25 AM Todd V may not be visiting this site anymore? I think he was being heavily censored here. It seems to be a growing thing with IllinoisCarry. Yeah, I know about that situation, but there are alternative ways to contact him if someone really desires to inquire. Or maybe he will pop back in, who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flw Posted May 14, 2019 at 07:38 AM Share Posted May 14, 2019 at 07:38 AM Question that was posed here but never answered is critical. What was the warrant for? Expired Foid is not a crime. What may have been discovered after the execution of the warrant would be fruit of the poison tree it would seem. Details of that warrant may hold either a key or the key to this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted May 14, 2019 at 07:54 AM Share Posted May 14, 2019 at 07:54 AM Question that was posed here but never answered is critical. What was the warrant for? Expired Foid is not a crime. What may have been discovered after the execution of the warrant would be fruit of the poison tree it would seem. Details of that warrant may hold either a key or the key to this case. Obvoiusly we need to know this, but I can see situations that would produce a valid warrant, say for example this elderly man called for the paramedics, police show up to assist and firearm is seen, they ask or discover FOID it's expired, police show up a few days later with warrant to confiscate. I'm not saying that is what happened but it's a scenerio that I can almost bet has happened. As for the case, maybe this lawsuit filing has been put on hold for now, due to the other FOID case that is pending? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted May 14, 2019 at 12:45 PM Share Posted May 14, 2019 at 12:45 PM The reason for law enforcement showing up at his door was an expired FOID card. Local law enforcement received a notification from ISP the card had expired. Officers asked if there was anyone who could keep his property for him until he could get his FOID renewed, a good friend stepped up and is holding on to the gentleman's property and also helped him go online and submit renewal application. My guess is maybe the announcement was made before the case could be officially filed in court. Maybe we'll see more action on this in due time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted May 14, 2019 at 05:14 PM Share Posted May 14, 2019 at 05:14 PM Todd V may not be visiting this site anymore? I think he was being heavily censored here. It seems to be a growing thing with IllinoisCarry. I don't recall any censorship of Mr Vandermyde here. He does pop in from time to time, but less often than when he worked for the NRA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted May 14, 2019 at 06:45 PM Share Posted May 14, 2019 at 06:45 PM Todd V may not be visiting this site anymore? I think he was being heavily censored here. It seems to be a growing thing with IllinoisCarry. I don't recall any censorship of Mr Vandermyde here. He does pop in from time to time, but less often than when he worked for the NRA. Molly pointed out, in a post that was deleted along with many others, that his posts are moderated here. There were reasons given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Flag Posted May 15, 2019 at 07:38 PM Share Posted May 15, 2019 at 07:38 PM It's baaaaaaaaaahhhhck!(today?) https://www.nraila.org/articles/20190515/nra-supports-guns-save-lifes-challenge-to-illinois-s-foid-act Fairfax, Va. - The National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA) today announced its support for a lawsuit challenging Illinois’s Firearm Owners Identification Card (FOID) Act. The lawsuit was brought by Guns Save Life, an organization dedicated to defending the Second Amendment rights of Illinois residents. “The Illinois FOID Act infringes on law-abiding citizens’ fundamental right to self-protection,” said Chris W. Cox, executive director of NRA-ILA. The FOID Act requires individuals to pass an extended background check, provide a photo, and pay a fee before being granted government permission to possess a firearm in their own home. Illinois gun owners must pay a fee and renew their FOID cards every 10 years. If the cards are stolen, the gun owner is forced to jump through additional hoops and burdened with more fees to exercise their constitutional right to self-protection. The case of one Guns Save Life member, mentioned in organization’s complaint, shows how drastically the FOID Act infringes on that right. In compliance with the Act, the member recently sought to renew his FOID card. But the police denied his application and revoked his card, claiming to have suddenly found a battery conviction in his record. He has no such conviction, and the courts have no record of one. Nevertheless, because he no longer had a FOID card, he was forced to disarm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted May 15, 2019 at 08:01 PM Share Posted May 15, 2019 at 08:01 PM It's baaaaaaaaaahhhhck! (today?) ... The url has 20190515 in it. 2019-05-15 is today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted May 16, 2019 at 04:16 AM Author Share Posted May 16, 2019 at 04:16 AM The 5/2 story was pulled. Supposedly due to incorrect information. The newest suit has an additional person denied due to a conviction but the state cant produce a record of it. "The records may have been destroyed" https://cdn0.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/2019CH000180-Complaint.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted May 16, 2019 at 04:37 AM Share Posted May 16, 2019 at 04:37 AM That PDF makes for interesting reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted May 16, 2019 at 06:02 AM Share Posted May 16, 2019 at 06:02 AM I like the lawsuit, nice and clean, IMO clean enough to be taken all the way to the top on appeals if it doesn't prevail is the anti-gun Illinois courts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plinkermostly Posted May 16, 2019 at 11:51 AM Share Posted May 16, 2019 at 11:51 AM But wait -- Ms Willis is going to make it even more restrictive! Coming to Illinois soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted May 16, 2019 at 01:11 PM Share Posted May 16, 2019 at 01:11 PM The 5/2 story was pulled. Supposedly due to incorrect information.The newest suit has an additional person denied due to a conviction but the state cant produce a record of it. "The records may have been destroyed"https://cdn0.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/2019CH000180-Complaint.pdfYes, this is a different plaintiff. The NRA got a little ahead of themselves and announced before things were all signed, sealed, and delivered but looks on track to be a good case now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Flag Posted May 16, 2019 at 02:27 PM Share Posted May 16, 2019 at 02:27 PM I like the written complaint, but my eyebrow went up when I learned that the FOID cards frequently wear out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted May 16, 2019 at 04:17 PM Share Posted May 16, 2019 at 04:17 PM I've seen many worn out cards. Unreadable and held together with tape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted May 16, 2019 at 04:37 PM Share Posted May 16, 2019 at 04:37 PM I like the written complaint, but my eyebrow went up when I learned that the FOID cards frequently wear out. I've seen many worn out cards. Unreadable and held together with tape. My current one is still in one piece, but the one it replaced was held together with packing tape, it had cracked into several pieces over it's lifetime and I just kept taping it back together. If one is following the law and keeping it on their person when taking showers and such as outlined in the complaint it's bound to wear out quite fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted May 16, 2019 at 10:06 PM Share Posted May 16, 2019 at 10:06 PM ... If one is following the law and keeping it on their person when taking showers and such as outlined in the complaint it's bound to wear out quite fast. Just set your guns out on the porch for the neighborhood kids to look after them while you shower. Leave your FOID on the dresser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingcreek Posted May 17, 2019 at 08:24 PM Share Posted May 17, 2019 at 08:24 PM I want all the FOID fees I paid since 1969 returned when it is ruled unconstitutional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted May 19, 2019 at 04:13 AM Share Posted May 19, 2019 at 04:13 AM I want all the FOID fees I paid since 1969 returned when it is ruled unconstitutional. Have you ever heard of a politician returning money for "fees" already collected??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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