TRJ Posted March 14, 2019 at 12:56 PM Share Posted March 14, 2019 at 12:56 PM https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dailycaller.com/2019/03/13/hammond-lindsey-graham Just in case you guys didn't know about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted March 14, 2019 at 01:13 PM Share Posted March 14, 2019 at 01:13 PM Yep. Working with Saigon Dick B. on it. I have colorful words that will self edit here lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted March 14, 2019 at 01:16 PM Share Posted March 14, 2019 at 01:16 PM 3/26 is the hearing it looks like http://i.imgur.com/ZJNGw2s.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt guy Posted March 14, 2019 at 04:33 PM Share Posted March 14, 2019 at 04:33 PM So where do we send our opposition to this garbage ? Besides Turbin’s office Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird76Mojo Posted March 14, 2019 at 06:51 PM Share Posted March 14, 2019 at 06:51 PM To lindsey graham maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt guy Posted March 14, 2019 at 07:32 PM Share Posted March 14, 2019 at 07:32 PM To lindsey graham maybe?Seems like a deaf ear in him or Durbin but I guess give it a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted March 14, 2019 at 07:37 PM Share Posted March 14, 2019 at 07:37 PM No "due process" = "police state". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeepSight Posted March 15, 2019 at 02:26 AM Share Posted March 15, 2019 at 02:26 AM No "due process" = "police state". Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markthesignguy Posted March 15, 2019 at 02:35 AM Share Posted March 15, 2019 at 02:35 AM GOA-PVF emailed me on this: Mark,Spineless Lindsey Graham has taken the first step to pass RED FLAG LAWS which would let law enforcement confiscate your firearms without any due process.Gun Owners of America promises to fight back against this attempt to destroy the Second Amendment....But we also promise to target any politician complicit in this assault on your God-given rights come election season.You might think it’s too early to start thinking about elections, but the anti-gun Left is already in full-campaign mode.We need to protect our allies in Congress, as they are already being targeted by the anti-gun Bloomberg-machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted March 15, 2019 at 02:37 AM Share Posted March 15, 2019 at 02:37 AM Just playing devil's advocate here, as many keep saying this is unconstitutional, no due process, etc. Do you feel the same about our justice system in general? The initial order to relinquish your firearms is like being arrested for committing a crime. The first hearing where a judge rules that there is sufficient evidence to continue the revocation is like an arraignment where a judge decides if there is enough evidence to move forward with charges. The hearing where someone must prove the red flag was substantiated is like your trial. If they win at the first, you lose your guns for a period of time, such as if you're found guilty you lose your freedom for a period of time. Just puttin' that out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedbump Posted March 15, 2019 at 03:49 AM Share Posted March 15, 2019 at 03:49 AM Just playing devil's advocate here, as many keep saying this is unconstitutional, no due process, etc. Do you feel the same about our justice system in general? The initial order to relinquish your firearms is like being arrested for committing a crime. The first hearing where a judge rules that there is sufficient evidence to continue the revocation is like an arraignment where a judge decides if there is enough evidence to move forward with charges. The hearing where someone must prove the red flag was substantiated is like your trial. If they win at the first, you lose your guns for a period of time, such as if you're found guilty you lose your freedom for a period of time. Just puttin' that out there.It is everything *EXCEPT* like a trial. Due Process requires certain things:* The right to assist in your own defense* The right to an attorney to assist you and protect your rights* The right to confront your accuser* The right to cross examine witnesses* The right to be compensated for seized items Without these things - and more - it is as unconstitutional an act as we've seen in recent years. The ex parte portions will be destroyed if/ when it reaches SCOTUS. If there is "clear and convincing evidence" as most red flag statutes claim, then that should be sufficient for a warrant...and for due process to be respected. Absent that, and the thought police will rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted March 18, 2019 at 02:21 AM Share Posted March 18, 2019 at 02:21 AM Just playing devil's advocate here, as many keep saying this is unconstitutional, no due process, etc. Do you feel the same about our justice system in general? The initial order to relinquish your firearms is like being arrested for committing a crime. The first hearing where a judge rules that there is sufficient evidence to continue the revocation is like an arraignment where a judge decides if there is enough evidence to move forward with charges. The hearing where someone must prove the red flag was substantiated is like your trial. If they win at the first, you lose your guns for a period of time, such as if you're found guilty you lose your freedom for a period of time. Just puttin' that out there.It is everything *EXCEPT* like a trial. Due Process requires certain things:* The right to assist in your own defense* The right to an attorney to assist you and protect your rights* The right to confront your accuser* The right to cross examine witnesses* The right to be compensated for seized items Without these things - and more - it is as unconstitutional an act as we've seen in recent years. The ex parte portions will be destroyed if/ when it reaches SCOTUS. If there is "clear and convincing evidence" as most red flag statutes claim, then that should be sufficient for a warrant...and for due process to be respected. Absent that, and the thought police will rule. AKA "Minority Report". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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