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#61 chicagoresident

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 10:35 AM

CHANGE the Law !
You get caught crossing the border Illegally you (and the kids with you) are IMMEDIATELY turned around, kicked in the butt, and told to stay the *%^# Out !! WHY court date in future??
You (and your kids) get caught in our Country interior being here illegally - you IMMEDIATELY get deported and told to stay the *%^# Out !!

Because money. Repeat crossers are jailed at taxpayer expenses. They pay bond at the immigrant family's expense. They hire lawyers at nonprofit's expenses. They stay under the care of government at taxpayers expenses until lengthy immigration trials and paperwork are run through the system.

Rinse and repeat. For every business raid that ships them out there are new ones coming in to take their places. Businesses suffer 0 consequences, placement agencies close down and start up again at big profits. It won't change because those businesses are either owned by people in government or friends with people in government.

Cry as much as you want, there's too much to be made off this shuffle so it's not going away, that wall will have lots of back doors in it by the people that stand to make the most.

Edited by chicagoresident, 22 June 2018 - 10:40 AM.


#62 TomKoz

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 10:59 AM

CHANGE the Law !
You get caught crossing the border Illegally you (and the kids with you) are IMMEDIATELY turned around, kicked in the butt, and told to stay the *%^# Out !! WHY court date in future??
You (and your kids) get caught in our Country interior being here illegally - you IMMEDIATELY get deported and told to stay the *%^# Out !!

Because money. Repeat crossers are jailed at taxpayer expenses. They pay bond at the immigrant family's expense. They hire lawyers at nonprofit's expenses. They stay under the care of government at taxpayers expenses until lengthy immigration trials and paperwork are run through the system.
Rinse and repeat. For every business raid that ships them out there are new ones coming in to take their places. Businesses suffer 0 consequences, placement agencies close down and start up again at big profits. It won't change because those businesses are either owned by people in government or friends with people in government.
Cry as much as you want, there's too much to be made off this shuffle so it's not going away, that wall will have lots of back doors in it by the people that stand to make the most.

You are probably correct. Then what Trump needs to do is appeal to the US Citizen directly !!

Trump should call for a press conference and have all media televise it. Explain to the Citizens the above and how “the swamp” is resisting reform because of all the tax dollars (THEIR Tax Dollars) “the swamp” profits from the current system !! Trump should then instruct the Citizens to push hard and constantly call / harass their Reps and Senators to vote for his reforms. !!!

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 11:08 AM

I'm at the point where I seriously think we need the Wall, and active minefields to protect our sovereignty. We could post signs in multiple languages as well as pictures to warn away the innocent. 


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#64 Twostarrz

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 11:18 AM

I’m not on the mine field wagon, too indiscriminate. $$$Now snipers.....?$$$
Seriously though, I want to see a wall. Wanting security at the southern border has nothing to do with race or ethnicity. It has to do with safety.

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 11:30 AM

You are probably correct. Then what Trump needs to do is appeal to the US Citizen directly !!
Trump should call for a press conference and have all media televise it. Explain to the Citizens the above and how the swamp is resisting reform because of all the tax dollars (THEIR Tax Dollars) the swamp profits from the current system !! Trump should then instruct the Citizens to push hard and constantly call / harass their Reps and Senators to vote for his reforms. !!!
Rally the base !! Drain the Swamp !!

You assume that Trump's personal properties don't benefit from or create illegal immigrant labor.

Let me set up a November surprise scenario, either this year or 2020.

Fall is right around the time all Trump (along with others) migrant labor should be going back to their host countries. But rather then a few that cut and run someone will make sure a majority of them cut and run. They will all demand immunity to be illegally here in the country.

A huge scandal will play out that might cost them an election or Congress. If it does the buzz around illegal immigration will die out and it will be business as usual.

Edited by chicagoresident, 22 June 2018 - 11:31 AM.


#66 BobPistol

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 12:51 PM

They were told to mass immigrate to America in a big group to overwhelm border resources. 

 

 

Gee, this sounds a LOT like this:

 

https://en.wikipedia...“Piven_strategy


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#67 chicagoresident

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 01:21 PM

They were told to mass immigrate to America in a big group to overwhelm border resources.
 
Gee, this sounds a LOT like this:
 
https://en.wikipedia...dPiven_strategy
Well, we are on an accelerationism course, and I tend to agree changes will not be made until we break the system.

The difference between Europe and America is in the US accelerationism is driven by an insatiable greed by crony politicians and their chosen companies.

The European system or at least those countries that fell under the Nordic model are being overwhelmed by immigrants in hopes they will switch to the more profitable (for the big globalist players) American system. For them the Nordic Model has been excellent, but there's not as much profit and its harder to compete globally with the overhead. This is why there's a huge rise in national socialism in Europe fighting global capitalists.

The Nordic Model (despite what Bernie promises) will never work in the US and led to some of Obama's most disastrous policies, including his hard-line stance against immigration.

If we elected a majority Congress and president that upheld the Nordic model that granted citizenship and benefits to immigration we'd be throwing socialists outta helicopters by the next election.

The endgame for immigration in America because our welfare system can't sustain it is to normalize illegal immigration and keep them illegal so we can have a second class of citizen to be exploited into near slavery. Oh, and we'll push to change the "anchor baby" laws so their offspring will be subjected to the same slavery. The ones that refuse to be exploited will turn to crime which is a convenient way to take our rights away.

Illegal immigration is no more American or egalitarian then not letting them in at all, which is the argument I present to leftists. You can't be for the Nordic model and open borders, they are 2 beliefs that are incompatible (which is ironic because at least the National alt reich Socialists the radical left rages against are solid in this logic).

It leaves the only solution to cut welfare to bare minimum life support and allow less restrictions on legal immigration.

That's the American way. That's why immigrants should want to come here. We are supposed to be a country with the freedom to succeed from nothing, not the safety net to not even try.

If nothing changes grab all the money you can, buy up and in debt yourself to the max, hire illegal immigrant labor to build your secure compound, and burn the country down to rebuild. Our credit as a nation will be shot so we'll have no other choice then to replace crony keynsian capitalism with the Austrian model.

Edited by chicagoresident, 22 June 2018 - 01:36 PM.


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Posted 06 July 2018 - 11:48 AM

I’m not on the mine field wagon, too indiscriminate. $$$Now snipers.....?$$$
Seriously though, I want to see a wall. Wanting security at the southern border has nothing to do with race or ethnicity. It has to do with safety.

 

How about snipers AND mines?



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Posted 06 July 2018 - 06:41 PM

A wall could not cover certain points due to geography. It would essentially stop anyone from getting over it to cross over the bulk of the Border, and funnel would be invaders into areas where manpower can be concentrated to stop them. This is why the lefties don't want the wall; if they thought the wall wouldn't work, they would be all for it, because they want Trump to have massive failures, even if they destroy the country. These people are a bunch of traitors.

Edited by 2A4Cook, 06 July 2018 - 06:42 PM.


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Posted 06 July 2018 - 10:20 PM

I’m going to catch flak and I don’t care, but I agree with Talonap. If you are coming here illegally, you are an invader.these people come over here, milk the system, and consume funds for Americans that need it. They are trash (in terms of who deserves the funds). We have homeless veterans on the streets. Why the heck should we be giving a free ride to a person who jumped the border over a person who has served the country, experienced something we never wish to experience, turned to a substance to deal with the pain because political correctness > what’s rights (helping our veterans in need)?

I work in healthcare and I’m at the VA (Great Lakes) almost weekly. I’m disgusted at what the vets have to go through. The people there do a great job with the workload (and the place is nice), but it really drives me nuts that our government in IL cares more about illegal immigrants than people that were willing to die for our country

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Posted 07 July 2018 - 04:56 AM

Steve,  I have been telling people for years that illegal immigrants need to be classified as a domestic enemy,  and our elected tyrants need to be charged with treason for giving aid to the enemy.


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Posted 07 July 2018 - 05:10 AM

Steve,  I have been telling people for years that illegal immigrants need to be classified as a domestic enemy,  and our elected tyrants need to be charged with treason for giving aid to the enemy.


At this rate, in one or two more generations, this will be THEIR country, not ours; they will rule US. A classic takeover from within. Pretty much how the Roman Empire fell. Get ready for "Press tres for English."

#73 chicagoresident

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Posted 07 July 2018 - 01:01 PM

You guys are still missing the big picture.

Both sides of the issue are another corporate welfare scam. You've been brainwashed. The Trump side wants to open your tax wallets to the private construction industry, which will probably be outsourced to Mexican labor, to build "the wall". The left and a few on the right that oppose free market labor in favor of protectionism have supported a virtual wall because it makes the most sense.

The corporate right like the Koch brothers support open borders because they want low cost labor. If the wage they want to pay is below survivability, well that's what social programs are for.

Strong enforcement of e-verify, biometrics on short term visas, and assign corporate accountability to hiring illegals will stop more immigration then a corporate welfare wall. Prevent corporations from profiting off social services and supplementing worker pay with your tax dollars and immigration and welfare stop being an issue.

The entire immigration controversy is more rot from the corporate oligarchies and big government that runs the country. Absolve that system, or at least demonetize it and you'll fix immigration.

Good article from the Mises institute about libertarians and immigration.
https://mises.org/li...nd-open-borders

Edited by chicagoresident, 07 July 2018 - 01:27 PM.





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