Quinn signs IL universal background checks into law

[BIGDEESUL]

Like we don't have enough hoops to jump through already. Foid is good enough, lets waste more time and money. How many tax dollars is this going to cost?

 

 

[BIGDEESUL]

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-77079388/

 

sorry, forgot the link.

[RECarry]

So, they can have this system in place before the applications are ready for CCW? Smells fishy, like so many firearms that were lost in tragic boating accidents.

[Karl B. Andersen]

I'm a bit confused as to how many publications calls this bill "universal background check".?

Seems as if, from what I could find, it only moves the state TOWARD UBCs.

 

"HB 1189 amends the FOID Card Act to require that a private party who sells or transfers a firearm use ISP’s dial-up system to verify that the buyer or transferee holds a valid FOID card before making the sale or transfer."

 

That is NOT a universal background check.

It just validates the possession of a valid FOID. Which, as I recall, Illinois residents are requried to do now already. Aren't you supposed to keep your buyer's FOID numer for 10 years anyway?

And there is no record of the sale.

 

More BS - yes.

 

UBC - no.

 

But the sh** just keeps on rollin' down hill.

[Hatchet]

I'm a bit confused as to how many publications calls this bill "universal background check".?

Seems as if, from what I could find, it only moves the state TOWARD UBCs.

 

"HB 1189 amends the FOID Card Act to require that a private party who sells or transfers a firearm use ISP’s dial-up system to verify that the buyer or transferee holds a valid FOID card before making the sale or transfer."

 

That is NOT a universal background check.

It just validates the possession of a valid FOID. Which, as I recall, Illinois residents are requried to do now already. Aren't you supposed to keep your buyer's FOID numer for 10 years anyway?

And there is no record of the sale.

 

More BS - yes.

 

UBC - no.

 

But the sh** just keeps on rollin' down hill.

 

But they are one step closer to creating a UBC now. You never take a big leap at something you want, they know it will fail. But little steps and they hope we dont notice them moving.

[hgmeyer]

I have a comme;tnt that is probably %to be criticized. I can't argue with this too much (if this were a level playing field. One where the "good guys were really free to be armed and secure in their ownership of firearms) If we had "Rational" gun laws, ones that only affected "bad guys", this would be fine with me. A minute of my time to assure that I was not selling a gun to a bad guy....not a problem. If the politicians and antis were serious about safety and not serious about disarming us, this makes sense. But, banning concealed carry by "good guys" anywhere except a very short list is not common sense, it is insanity. Unfortunaely this measure is enacted by the antis to make legal gun ownership more difficult. This "system" will be down 99.99% of the time (by design) and will make us all very frustrated.

 

Next step, an Illinois 4473 form and recordkeeping just like dealers. Tin Foil Hat, slippery slope, maybe, but this is Illinois.

[Drylok]

If you have to call and check on someone before selling then why have a card in the first place?

[xd9subcompact]

I have a pair of PVC pipe cutters. At least I think I do. I used them last week. Yesterday, I wanted to use them again. I can't find them. I thought about where I last used them. I have not used them since. They might be lost, but that can't be. I have not left my back yard with them. I am not ready to give up looking for them and go buy another pair. Are they truly lost? Or is it more likely that they are misplaced? I don't really want to tell the authorities I lost my gun, only to find it later.

[burningspear]

I say again and again these enactments will not reduce the rampant violence occuring in Chicago neighborhoods. None of the shooters that killed six people and wounded others this past weekend in Chicago would not have been impacted by any of these new laws. How many of the shooters had FOID cards, current, expired, revoked, or confiscated by Cook County Sheriff Dart? Probably none. How many of the firearms were stolen, lost, or misplaced? Even if all of them were stolen, lost, or misplaced, not one of the shootings would have been stopped. Maybe calling the State Police to verify the validity of a buyer's FOID card would have prevented this weekend's gun violence. What say you. Oh, the buyers or borrowers did not have a gun card anyway. Nothing to verify. Oh, I see.

[dutz]

I say again and again these enactments will not reduce the rampant violence occuring in Chicago neighborhoods. None of the shooters that killed six people and wounded others this past weekend in Chicago would not have been impacted by any of these new laws. How many of the shooters had FOID cards, current, expired, revoked, or confiscated by Cook County Sheriff Dart? Probably none. How many of the firearms were stolen, lost, or misplaced? Even if all of them were stolen, lost, or misplaced, not one of the shootings would have been stopped. Maybe calling the State Police to verify the validity of a buyer's FOID card would have prevented this weekend's gun violence. What say you. Oh, the buyers or borrowers did not have a gun card anyway. Nothing to verify. Oh, I see.

 

They are not intended to reduce violence. Socialists cannot have citizens posses firearms, exercise free speech, or exercise freedom of religion if the socialists are to maintain the control they want. These laws are intend to limit our freedoms in these regards as much as the courts and we allow.

[bmyers]

I would assume, most gun owners are going to report his/her gun lost/stolen because you would like to have the insurance pay to replace it.

 

As it was pointed out, this law is useless covering most crimes in Chicago because they are not made with legally obtained guns.

[WillT]

That's cute. So here's how one could imagine this unfolding in about 10 years.

 

Police: "Sir, firearms have been outlawed in the US. We're here to collect all arms and ammunition"

Citizen: "Well, see officer, that's a problem, I lost them all in a lake while fishing/camping/skydiving/astronauting/whatever, so sorry, I don't have anything to turn in"

Police: "That's odd, we don't have a record of you reporting any firearms missing. Can you explain that?"

Citizen: "Oh, ah, well, um..."

Police: "Sir, you're going to have to come with us while we search your house, car, yard, shed, dog's intestines, treehouse, etc."

 

Maybe I should buy stock in Reynolds Wrap.

[Mr. Fife]

Do you have to report them if you find them later on, for example if you thought they were stolen but they were only misplaced?

 

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[GarandFan]

I'm a bit confused as to how many publications calls this bill "universal background check".?

Seems as if, from what I could find, it only moves the state TOWARD UBCs.

 

"HB 1189 amends the FOID Card Act to require that a private party who sells or transfers a firearm use ISP’s dial-up system to verify that the buyer or transferee holds a valid FOID card before making the sale or transfer."

 

That is NOT a universal background check.

It just validates the possession of a valid FOID. Which, as I recall, Illinois residents are requried to do now already. Aren't you supposed to keep your buyer's FOID numer for 10 years anyway?

And there is no record of the sale.

 

More BS - yes.

 

UBC - no.

 

But the sh** just keeps on rollin' down hill.

 

Allow me to correct you. Illinois has Universal Background Checks, and has had them for many years. They are tied up in the FOID Act. Possession of firearms without FOID is unlawful. FOID issuance mandates background check. Thus, you already have UBC in Illinois. Let's not go needlessly splitting hairs. FOID cards are background checks, and now this new mandate that some hotline be called is basically a redundancy.

 

But at some level, you are correct that they are not universal ... because not included are those folks who do not comply with the law.

[Acmeguns]

WillT I can explain it you sold them before the law was enacted. Just check date of manufacturer might be tuff to explain on one made after law was enacted.

[tkroenlein]

I'm a bit confused as to how many publications calls this bill "universal background check".?

Seems as if, from what I could find, it only moves the state TOWARD UBCs.

 

"HB 1189 amends the FOID Card Act to require that a private party who sells or transfers a firearm use ISP’s dial-up system to verify that the buyer or transferee holds a valid FOID card before making the sale or transfer."

 

That is NOT a universal background check.

It just validates the possession of a valid FOID. Which, as I recall, Illinois residents are requried to do now already. Aren't you supposed to keep your buyer's FOID numer for 10 years anyway?

And there is no record of the sale.

 

More BS - yes.

 

UBC - no.

 

But the sh** just keeps on rollin' down hill.

 

Allow me to correct you. Illinois has Universal Background Checks, and has had them for many years. They are tied up in the FOID Act. Possession of firearms without FOID is unlawful. FOID issuance mandates background check. Thus, you already have UBC in Illinois. Let's not go needlessly splitting hairs. FOID cards are background checks, and now this new mandate that some hotline be called is basically a redundancy.

 

But at some level, you are correct that they are not universal ... because not included are those folks who do not comply with the law.

 

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[Federal Farmer]

So how much lower will the crime rate be next year due to this? lol

[VannDaddy]

I would assume, most gun owners are going to report his/her gun lost/stolen because you would like to have the insurance pay to replace it.

 

As it was pointed out, this law is useless covering most crimes in Chicago because they are not made with legally obtained guns.

 

+1

 

The problem I see is if a firearm is stolen and its not immediately noticed. Now the victim is law abiding gun owner and is unknowingly breaking the law.

[oneshot]

Just call Quinn, Dr. Feelgood.

[Federal Farmer]

They think they are going to be able to go after straw purchasers. Those do exist, but I think they over-estimate the number. If someone does have an inordinate number of firearms stolen and found at crime scenes then maybe that person shouldn't be owning guns. I'm not in favor of criminalizing this type of irresponsibility, however.

[bobapunk]

I have a comme;tnt that is probably %to be criticized. I can't argue with this too much (if this were a level playing field. One where the "good guys were really free to be armed and secure in their ownership of firearms) If we had "Rational" gun laws, ones that only affected "bad guys", this would be fine with me. A minute of my time to assure that I was not selling a gun to a bad guy....not a problem. If the politicians and antis were serious about safety and not serious about disarming us, this makes sense. But, banning concealed carry by "good guys" anywhere except a very short list is not common sense, it is insanity. Unfortunaely this measure is enacted by the antis to make legal gun ownership more difficult. This "system" will be down 99.99% of the time (by design) and will make us all very frustrated.

 

Next step, an Illinois 4473 form and recordkeeping just like dealers. Tin Foil Hat, slippery slope, maybe, but this is Illinois.

 

In a free society, you would have the choice to transfer to an unknown private party via an FFL, thus requiring a 4473 and NICS. However, since we live in Illinois and not a free society, we now have a law forcing us to do this. My dad now cannot pass down a duck gun to me without calling into the ISP?

 

I am sure all of the street gun dealers will have this ISP hotline on speed dial...

[VannDaddy]

The big question I have is "where did this come from?" I don't remember this bill being passed by the legislation. I don't remember any talk about even the possibility of this coming? Where was the ISRA notice on this. I just don't remember it.

[tkroenlein]

The big question I have is "where did this come from?" I don't remember this bill being passed by the legislation. I don't remember any talk about even the possibility of this coming? Where was the ISRA notice on this. I just don't remember it.

 

Right after CCW passed.

[Federal Farmer]

It passed the Senate and House on the last day of the session (May 31). You can see the history here. There was likely no time to mobilize our forces on this one.

[whowe82]

If you have to call and check on someone before selling then why have a card in the first place?

 

This is what I wanted to know. Sounds like Illinois' department of redundancy department is hard at work at work.

[mauserme]

The big question I have is "where did this come from?" I don't remember this bill being passed by the legislation. I don't remember any talk about even the possibility of this coming? Where was the ISRA notice on this. I just don't remember it.

 

It came out of nowhere. The amendment was filed, moved through committees, rules suspended almost all as the Firearm Concealed Carry Act was being debated.

 

It's Illinois' version of transparent government - so transparent you can't even see what's happening.

[TyGuy]

 

It's Illinois' version of transparent government - so transparent you can't even see what's happening.

Forum winning post of 2013 right there folks.

 

 

I wish we had a 72 hour waiting period on legislation. No legistion could be voted on, bill or amendment, within 72 hours of filing it.

[SFC Stu]

The big question I have is "where did this come from?" I don't remember this bill being passed by the legislation. I don't remember any talk about even the possibility of this coming? Where was the ISRA notice on this. I just don't remember it.

 

It came out of nowhere. The amendment was filed, moved through committees, rules suspended almost all as the Firearm Concealed Carry Act was being debated.

 

It's Illinois' version of transparent government - so transparent you can't even see what's happening.

This is the way the Illinois legislature operates. They are not smart enough to balance the budget, but are experts on firearms! [sarcasm]

[BrowningHP]

If you have to call and check on someone before selling then why have a card in the first place?

 

removing it altogether would lose the revenue it generates, basically a state wide gun owner/user tax

 

seriously though... we should upgrade the FOID laws to replace them with 'universal background checks' to 'eliminate the loopholes of the FOID system'

[BIGDEESUL]

I agree with not wanting firearms getting in the wrong hands, but maybe they should enforce the laws already in place, as in physically taking the foid away from somebody, instead of us hsving to verify the validity of the foid in question. And if theres a recorded transaction number for every transfer, the state has basically started a registry of all firearms. I haven't had the time to read the full text of the bill (like I usually do, and will do si as soon as I get home), but that's what I'm getting from this.