vito Posted April 28, 2017 at 05:37 PM Share Posted April 28, 2017 at 05:37 PM What is going on right now in Washington is more than discouraging. Republicans seemed very vocal when they had no control, talking loudly about how they were going to turn the country around from the direction that Obama had moved it in. But now, with full majorities in Congress, plus the White House, virtually NOTHING is being accomplished by the Congress. What progress we are seeing is almost entirely the result of the President's Executive Orders, which unless ratified into legislation can just as easily be reversed if and when the Democrats regain the Presidency. Speaker Ryan refuses to keep funding for the wall on the southern border over concerns about the Democrats shutting down the government, so-called moderate Republicans in both the House and Senate apparently have bought into the Obamacare concepts of massive government subsidies to insurance companies and low income people wanting comprehensive health insurance, proposals of major tax reform are already meeting resistance by Republicans who are afraid that they will be accused (of course they will, regardless of what is in the proposal) of wanting more money for the rich. All of this means that Trump is in trouble. If the end result does not match what he promised to do in his campaign then his political capital will evaporate and he will become a lame duck President before his first term hardly has gotten underway. And where will that leave those of us who support the 2nd Amendment? High and dry. Many gun rights supporters will fall away from supporting Trump if he fails to move his promises forward successfully. Trump himself is unlikely to spend what political capital he has to push Congress to pass National Right to Carry Reciprocity or any other pro-gun laws if he has make deals with the left to get his other priorities addressed. And I have no doubt that the anti-gun crowd has not lost one iota of enthusiasm for turning back the tide of gun rights which really got going with the Heller and McDonald decisions. I think the best thing that could happen for those of us supporting the 2nd Amendment is to pressure the RINO's and other "moderate" Republicans to fight for the big issues that President Trump wants to address, like immigration (and the wall) repeal of Obamacare and major tax reform. Then he will have amassed enough new political credibility to bend some arms and get National Reciprocity passed, even to the point of getting Senator McConnell to once and for all end the filibuster and by doing that making the Democrat minority in the Senate into a faction without any power at all. We have won a big battle by electing Donald Trump, we will lose the war for America if Republicans cannot stand united and firm against the Left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots & Tyrants Posted April 28, 2017 at 06:35 PM Share Posted April 28, 2017 at 06:35 PM I am with you on this they in some ways seem like a dog that finally caught a car. They are focused on the wrong things and when focused they execute things poorly. Moreover insider sources have said expect no move on pro gun bills in 2017. We know with election in 2018 Republicans in "neutral' states wont do anything. It's starting to smell like we got legislatively sold up the river. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted April 28, 2017 at 06:41 PM Share Posted April 28, 2017 at 06:41 PM He's addressing the NRA right now. I'm waiting for him to sign an EO for National Reciprocity while he's on the stage, but so far it's just a rally for supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted April 28, 2017 at 06:42 PM Share Posted April 28, 2017 at 06:42 PM It's starting to smell like we got legislatively sold up the river.That's not entirely fair, the alternative was to drown in the river. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTriple Posted April 28, 2017 at 07:17 PM Share Posted April 28, 2017 at 07:17 PM This surprises you? The GOP are our enemies, much as the Democrats are. They're called the UniParty for a reason. That being said, you should go read The Art of the Deal to understand what Trump is doing here. He knows the GOP opposes everything he stands for, and he's working to overcome that. He can't just overturn many decades of corruption overnight, but it's foolish to say nothing's being done about it. He made Ryan into a fool on healthcare, and by backing Orrin Hatch he helped force out Chaffetz, who's a slimy swamp creature posing as a patriot. He scared Canada and Mexico into renegotiating NAFTA, and is actually getting China to do something about North Korea. Seriously, go read The Art of the Deal and you'll understand what's going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted April 28, 2017 at 07:24 PM Share Posted April 28, 2017 at 07:24 PM The man didn't get this far by having a poor insight into the future. Frankly, I'm more concerned about Kim Jong-un and North Korea than I am National Reciprocity. I say give the man some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted April 28, 2017 at 07:36 PM Author Share Posted April 28, 2017 at 07:36 PM I hope you are right. The Republicans may not be our friends, but the Democrats are definitely our enemies. And that's all the choice that you get. I hope this thread doesn't deteriorate into another "I vote my conscience by supporting Loserterians or independents or whatever". Our best choice, as defenders of the 2nd Amendment, is to support the Republicans and work toward getting more conservative legislators into elected office. To some degree I agree with you that both parties seem to share a love for the status quo and big government, and that is why I am feeling somewhat discouraged. But I do remind myself that even with only a minimally effective and productive Donald Trump we are miles ahead of where we would be if we had to live under a President Hilary "yes I'm a liar" Clinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayhawk Posted April 28, 2017 at 10:48 PM Share Posted April 28, 2017 at 10:48 PM Remember this: The 2018 primaries are less than a year away. The only way to get rid of incumbent establishment Republicans is to find real Republicans to challenge them in the primaries. After all, that is how you get on the mid-term ballot. Start look'n now................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldMarineVet Posted April 29, 2017 at 12:00 AM Share Posted April 29, 2017 at 12:00 AM He's addressing the NRA right now. I'm waiting for him to sign an EO for National Reciprocity while he's on the stage, but so far it's just a rally for supporters.Regarding your wisecrack about waiting for Trump "to sign an EO for National Reciprocity." Most of Trump executive actions have been to reverse Obama's executive actions, just like Trump said he would do. No better way to reverse a previous President's executive actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldMarineVet Posted April 29, 2017 at 12:08 AM Share Posted April 29, 2017 at 12:08 AM Nothing really new. Most Republican politicians were working against Trump during the campaign. While they talked against Trump's competence, the real motive was their special interests. Trump knew that then and knows that now. So Trump has to find ways to motivate those Republicans to help him instead. Difficult. But if anybody can figure that out, Trump can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sctman800 Posted April 29, 2017 at 12:38 AM Share Posted April 29, 2017 at 12:38 AM We need a bill passed and then signed into law by Trump not an EO. An EO can be immediately reversed by the next president just as Trump is doing with obamas EO's now. Jim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldMarineVet Posted April 29, 2017 at 12:59 AM Share Posted April 29, 2017 at 12:59 AM We need a bill passed and then signed into law by Trump not an EO. An EO can be immediately reversed by the next president just as Trump is doing with obamas EO's now. Jim.As you said, "an EO can be immediately reversed by the next president." That's what Trump is doing to Obama's executive actions. Then it's as if Obama never wrote his EO. Executive actions are not supposed to create new law. So there's normally no need to pass legislature to undo an EO. FYI, Trump has signed 28 bills which represented new law (probably on the whitehouse website.) I don't know all of them but I think it was a signed bill that put the coal miners back to work. That was significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted April 29, 2017 at 02:20 AM Share Posted April 29, 2017 at 02:20 AM The RINOpublican party serves the cronies, not the people. That's why they won't repeal TyranniCare. The cronies are making too much money off of it. And they STILL won't repeal the incandescent light bulb ban. This is like "easy peasy" legislation to pass, but they won't do it. EnvironMENTAL cronies benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted April 29, 2017 at 02:29 AM Share Posted April 29, 2017 at 02:29 AM The RINOpublican party serves the cronies, not the people. That's why they won't repeal TyranniCare. The cronies are making too much money off of it. And they STILL won't repeal the incandescent light bulb ban. This is like "easy peasy" legislation to pass, but they won't do it. EnvironMENTAL cronies benefit. Hmmm... You still want 100 year old light bulbs? Except for Easy Bake Ovens and wastefull heating for my homemade chicken water heater, LEDs are sooooo far superior to the heat leaking fragile "technology" of yore! The only thing that will replace Obamacare is single payer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITguy1686 Posted April 29, 2017 at 02:23 PM Share Posted April 29, 2017 at 02:23 PM This is just my opinion. Obamacare has got to go. It is destroying the middle class. I cannot afford the premiums and the deductibles are through the roof. I am sure it has helped someone but I am self paying for my wife's pregnancy because that is cheaper to do than be covered by Obamacare. It is bullshite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted April 29, 2017 at 02:33 PM Author Share Posted April 29, 2017 at 02:33 PM Once passed, Obamacare began providing health insurance coverage for some folks that couldn't previously afford it. It came nowhere near the promise of covering everyone, and certainly not at lower cost. But once you give something free or relatively free to millions of people, it is hard to take it away. For whatever reason, just the reality that we cannot really afford to just provide low cost, high quality health care to everyone does not seem to affect the perception that we must try to do this anyway. So even though Obamacare has only operated for a few years, and very poorly at that, eliminating it without replacing it with some other overly costly taxpayer supported program seems to not be something that many moderate Republicans can stomach, and of course 100% of Democrats don't want reality to affect their desires in this subject. I must admit that I have seen how Obamacare has benefited someone close to me. My youngest son is in a very low income category, and his infant son and he are covered by Medicaid. This coverage did not exist prior to Obamacare for his category of patient. Repeal of Obamacare without replacement would leave my grandson without health insurance coverage, and he has a number of chronic or recurring medical challenges even though he is not yet one year old. So I understand that while the program is unsustainable and must be done away with, for the moment I am seeing a real benefit for a member of my own family. Repeat this 20 million times across the country and I can see why politicians are not anxious to just do away with this program, even if it would be to the good of the other 300 million Americans. My guess is that we will end up with what some have called "Obamacare lite" with a slightly less costly program for the taxpayer, with more of the burden shifted to state budgets, but without suddenly cutting off coverage for those on the bottom of the economic pile that for the first time have coverage from Obamacare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted April 29, 2017 at 02:35 PM Share Posted April 29, 2017 at 02:35 PM Hmmm... You still want 100 year old light bulbs? Except for Easy Bake Ovens and wastefull heating for my homemade chicken water heater, LEDs are sooooo far superior to the heat leaking fragile "technology" of yore! The only thing that will replace Obamacare is single payer. LEDs cost a fortune compared to the other types of bulbs. That's because cronies must be enriched. That's WHY we have the ban, so that way people are forced to buy the HAZMAT required if broken, mercury bulbs; and LEDs. And I agree, single payer will replace TyranniCare. TyranniCare made private insurance almost worthless with hyperinflating deductibles and copays. Cronies must continue to be enriched, so single payer is the way they're going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handyflyer Posted April 29, 2017 at 02:53 PM Share Posted April 29, 2017 at 02:53 PM Hmmm... You still want 100 year old light bulbs? Except for Easy Bake Ovens and wastefull heating for my homemade chicken water heater, LEDs are sooooo far superior to the heat leaking fragile "technology" of yore! The only thing that will replace Obamacare is single payer. LEDs cost a fortune compared to the other types of bulbs. That's because cronies must be enriched. That's WHY we have the ban, so that way people are forced to buy the HAZMAT required if broken, mercury bulbs; and LEDs. And I agree, single payer will replace TyranniCare. TyranniCare made private insurance almost worthless with hyperinflating deductibles and copays. Cronies must continue to be enriched, so single payer is the way they're going. Not to completely side track this thread, but, LED's have gotten extremely cheap. I replaced all the can lightbulbs in my house. The LED's were the same price as the old school bulbs. They burn 9 watts instead of 65 and have a life expectancy of 22 years instead of maybe 2 years. Seems like a win?? And these new LED's soft white cast a very pleasant light. Not harsh at all. Just sayin....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted April 30, 2017 at 11:04 AM Share Posted April 30, 2017 at 11:04 AM Nothing really new. Most Republican politicians were working against Trump during the campaign. While they talked against Trump's competence, the real motive was their special interests. Trump knew that then and knows that now. So Trump has to find ways to motivate those Republicans to help him instead. Difficult. But if anybody can figure that out, Trump can. You do realize that the NRA IS a special interest group, right? I'm only bringing it up because you're bashing everyone else, but don't seem willing to keep Trump honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted April 30, 2017 at 11:05 AM Share Posted April 30, 2017 at 11:05 AM The RINOpublican party serves the cronies, not the people. That's why they won't repeal TyranniCare. The cronies are making too much money off of it. And they STILL won't repeal the incandescent light bulb ban. This is like "easy peasy" legislation to pass, but they won't do it. EnvironMENTAL cronies benefit. Hmmm... You still want 100 year old light bulbs? Except for Easy Bake Ovens and wastefull heating for my homemade chicken water heater, LEDs are sooooo far superior to the heat leaking fragile "technology" of yore! The only thing that will replace Obamacare is single payer. This x1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter Clinger Posted April 30, 2017 at 11:51 AM Share Posted April 30, 2017 at 11:51 AM Not to completely side track this thread, but, LED's have gotten extremely cheap. I replaced all the can lightbulbs in my house. The LED's were the same price as the old school bulbs. They burn 9 watts instead of 65 and have a life expectancy of 22 years instead of maybe 2 years. Seems like a win?? And these new LED's soft white cast a very pleasant light. Not harsh at all. Just sayin....... Very true, but the government shouldn't force people to buy them by outlawing other bulbs. It's not something they should be involved with, just like healthcare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangrel Posted April 30, 2017 at 12:14 PM Share Posted April 30, 2017 at 12:14 PM Hmmm... You still want 100 year old light bulbs? Except for Easy Bake Ovens and wastefull heating for my homemade chicken water heater, LEDs are sooooo far superior to the heat leaking fragile "technology" of yore! The only thing that will replace Obamacare is single payer. LEDs cost a fortune compared to the other types of bulbs. That's because cronies must be enriched. That's WHY we have the ban, so that way people are forced to buy the HAZMAT required if broken, mercury bulbs; and LEDs. And I agree, single payer will replace TyranniCare. TyranniCare made private insurance almost worthless with hyperinflating deductibles and copays. Cronies must continue to be enriched, so single payer is the way they're going. Not to completely side track this thread, but, LED's have gotten extremely cheap. I replaced all the can lightbulbs in my house. The LED's were the same price as the old school bulbs. They burn 9 watts instead of 65 and have a life expectancy of 22 years instead of maybe 2 years. Seems like a win?? And these new LED's soft white cast a very pleasant light. Not harsh at all. Just sayin....... You do realize that the reason the LEDs have come down so much in price is because their manufacture is subsidized by the federal government, don't you? You are paying 10% of the price at the counter, but you are paying the other 90% through your taxes. Problem is, your neighbors, friends, and family are also paying the other 90%, whether they buy the bulbs or not. Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted April 30, 2017 at 01:24 PM Share Posted April 30, 2017 at 01:24 PM Hmmm... You still want 100 year old light bulbs? Except for Easy Bake Ovens and wastefull heating for my homemade chicken water heater, LEDs are sooooo far superior to the heat leaking fragile "technology" of yore! The only thing that will replace Obamacare is single payer. LEDs cost a fortune compared to the other types of bulbs. That's because cronies must be enriched. That's WHY we have the ban, so that way people are forced to buy the HAZMAT required if broken, mercury bulbs; and LEDs. And I agree, single payer will replace TyranniCare. TyranniCare made private insurance almost worthless with hyperinflating deductibles and copays. Cronies must continue to be enriched, so single payer is the way they're going. Not to completely side track this thread, but, LED's have gotten extremely cheap. I replaced all the can lightbulbs in my house. The LED's were the same price as the old school bulbs. They burn 9 watts instead of 65 and have a life expectancy of 22 years instead of maybe 2 years. Seems like a win?? And these new LED's soft white cast a very pleasant light. Not harsh at all. Just sayin.......You do realize that the reason the LEDs have come down so much in price is because their manufacture is subsidized by the federal government, don't you? You are paying 10% of the price at the counter, but you are paying the other 90% through your taxes. Problem is, your neighbors, friends, and family are also paying the other 90%, whether they buy the bulbs or not. Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk Where are you getting your numbers from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted April 30, 2017 at 03:41 PM Share Posted April 30, 2017 at 03:41 PM You do realize that the reason the LEDs have come down so much in price is because their manufacture is subsidized by the federal government, don't you? You are paying 10% of the price at the counter, but you are paying the other 90% through your taxes. Problem is, your neighbors, friends, and family are also paying the other 90%, whether they buy the bulbs or not. Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk You nailed it. Like I said, this is crony enrichment. If the government were not involved, LEDs would not be competitive at all. The LED lightbulb mnufacturing companies are cronies and are getting enriched. So talking about price is ridiculous. There is no free market in light bulbs, this is totally crony capitalism. Let's see. Three types of bulbs, One subsidized (LED), one banned (incandescent) and one that requires a HAZMAT team to clean up (those mercury bulbs). But hey, I enjoy reading the corrupt of the status quo about this one issue. You can spot the crony defenders. If the RINOpublican party can't or won't even repeal the ridiculous light bulb ban, that shows how crony enriching they are. And if they're so crony enriching on this one TINY LITTLE DETAIL, imagine how crony enriching they are on all the other issues that really matter! Can't trust them with a dime? Can't trust them with a dollar. That's why TyranniCare will never be repealed. That fascist piece of trash is here to stay, and we're going to CommieTown soon. Cronies must be enriched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted April 30, 2017 at 03:52 PM Share Posted April 30, 2017 at 03:52 PM Every LED bulb I have seen so far was manufactured in China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted April 30, 2017 at 04:00 PM Share Posted April 30, 2017 at 04:00 PM You do realize that the reason the LEDs have come down so much in price is because their manufacture is subsidized by the federal government, don't you? You are paying 10% of the price at the counter, but you are paying the other 90% through your taxes. Problem is, your neighbors, friends, and family are also paying the other 90%, whether they buy the bulbs or not. Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk You nailed it. Like I said, this is crony enrichment. If the government were not involved, LEDs would not be competitive at all. The LED lightbulb mnufacturing companies are cronies and are getting enriched. So talking about price is ridiculous. There is no free market in light bulbs, this is totally crony capitalism. Let's see. Three types of bulbs, One subsidized (LED), one banned (incandescent) and one that requires a HAZMAT team to clean up (those mercury bulbs). But hey, I enjoy reading the corrupt of the status quo about this one issue. You can spot the crony defenders. If the RINOpublican party can't or won't even repeal the ridiculous light bulb ban, that shows how crony enriching they are. And if they're so crony enriching on this one TINY LITTLE DETAIL, imagine how crony enriching they are on all the other issues that really matter! Can't trust them with a dime? Can't trust them with a dollar. That's why TyranniCare will never be repealed. That fascist piece of trash is here to stay, and we're going to CommieTown soon. Cronies must be enriched. Tell us about the subsidy program please. Post some links. I did only a short Google search and cannot find yet what you are inferring. That said, LEDs cost far less than the $50 unit that came on the market in 2012. They produce a very nice quality light (special LED fixtures are heavily used in TV and Motion Picture Production today) while consuming FAR less power than antique incandescent lamps. And they don't break easily. And they last for a VERY long time. In fact, some LED early adopters are known to replace those early LED lamps with newer improved technogy while passing on the old lamps to people who have not been able to adopt them. I have an array of 3 ceiling fixture. I used to replace the lamps at least once a year... Sometimes waiting for the second one or all three to die first (PITA to change them). I have expensive LEDs in there now, haven't changed them for 5 years and who knows how long it will be before I NEED to change them. Plus, the dimmable light quality is far better than the old Halogena lamps. Crony Capitalism Enrichment or not... I am not missing energy wasting incandescent lighting and I have not yet run into a single person who has adopted LEDs who misses that old fashioned stuff. The light bulb ban is here to stay. And it's a good thing! And don't forget... It was Bush's fault! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangrel Posted April 30, 2017 at 04:00 PM Share Posted April 30, 2017 at 04:00 PM http://nlpc.org/2013/12/17/adoption-new-bulbs-requires-big-subsidies-and-killing-incandescents/ $69M+ in tax credits, and that is to one company, and as of 4 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldMarineVet Posted April 30, 2017 at 04:28 PM Share Posted April 30, 2017 at 04:28 PM Nothing really new. Most Republican politicians were working against Trump during the campaign. While they talked against Trump's competence, the real motive was their special interests. Trump knew that then and knows that now. So Trump has to find ways to motivate those Republicans to help him instead. Difficult. But if anybody can figure that out, Trump can. You do realize that the NRA IS a special interest group, right? I'm only bringing it up because you're bashing everyone else, but don't seem willing to keep Trump honest. Yes, I know the NRA is a special interest group. But the motivation for people's involvement in different special interest groups is not the same. My interest in contributing money and work to the NRA (and the ISRA) is the preservation of the U.S. Constitution, especially the 2nd Amendment. I receive no compensation or other benefits from the NRA besides the political power they've built to preserve the U.S. Constitution. Technically there shouldn't be a need for a special interest group like the NRA with so many people swearing oaths to preserve the U.S. Constitution. But that's another story unfortunately. Politicians tend to receive much more concrete benefits (quid pro quo) from their associations with other special interest groups. It's more of a business-like transaction than my association with the NRA and ISRA. Like me, Trump also supports the U.S. Constitution and the 2nd Amendment and is an NRA member (and two of his sons.) The NRA endorsed Trump because they believe he supports the 2nd Amendment like the rest of its membership. Like me, I doubt any of the NRA members would ever sell their vote to the NRA. So there also is no quid pro quo if they voted for Trump. Are you a member of the NRA and ISRA? If so, are you involved in any quid pro quo arrangements with them? Do you know anybody that does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted April 30, 2017 at 04:47 PM Share Posted April 30, 2017 at 04:47 PM Nothing really new. Most Republican politicians were working against Trump during the campaign. While they talked against Trump's competence, the real motive was their special interests. Trump knew that then and knows that now. So Trump has to find ways to motivate those Republicans to help him instead. Difficult. But if anybody can figure that out, Trump can. You do realize that the NRA IS a special interest group, right? I'm only bringing it up because you're bashing everyone else, but don't seem willing to keep Trump honest. The NRA is THE most special AND interesting of special interest groups! Lifetime Member and Liberal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcspider Posted April 30, 2017 at 05:53 PM Share Posted April 30, 2017 at 05:53 PM The RINOpublican party serves the cronies, not the people. That's why they won't repeal TyranniCare. The cronies are making too much money off of it. And they STILL won't repeal the incandescent light bulb ban. This is like "easy peasy" legislation to pass, but they won't do it. EnvironMENTAL cronies benefit. Hmmm... You still want 100 year old light bulbs? Except for Easy Bake Ovens and wastefull heating for my homemade chicken water heater, LEDs are sooooo far superior to the heat leaking fragile "technology" of yore! The only thing that will replace Obamacare is single payer. This x1000 Why would you think that? The free market is a wonderful thing... Look at parts of health care that are not severely regulated - e.g. Lasik surgery - prices have come down, quality up due to profit motive and competition. Read Andrew Bernstein's book "The Capitalist Manifesto" Gov't can't do anything right/well. Unleash the free market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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