vito Posted February 18, 2019 at 02:04 PM Share Posted February 18, 2019 at 02:04 PM Just wondering, since it has not been covered in the news, if the Henry Pratt Co., where the shooting in Aurora took place, was posted, or if their policy made it a GFZ for employees? Even though the police reportedly responded in four minutes, it took them 90 minutes to find the shooter and kill him. It seems that none of the other employees in the plant, or at least none of those that were shot and killed, were armed, and thus pretty much defenseless against an armed aggressor. Even if armed, other employees would not likely have been able to stop the murderer before he shot anyone, but it seems reasonable to think that the carnage might have been less extensive if the shooter had been forced to take into consideration another armed person shooting at him. I guess it is too much to expect, especially in Illinois, for large organizations to realize that a GFZ policy, "No Guns" signs, and similar efforts will be absolutely nothing to stop a disgruntled employee or other person from entering their building and shooting, and that allowing their licensed employees to carry concealed firearms actually makes it both less likely that a shooter will choose that location and have a greater chance of stopping the shooting once it begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted February 18, 2019 at 02:06 PM Share Posted February 18, 2019 at 02:06 PM Other thread had pic's from mapquest with the sticker shown on the entrance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyP Posted February 18, 2019 at 02:23 PM Share Posted February 18, 2019 at 02:23 PM I 100% agree that GFZ signs and that useless policy have NO impact on criminal behavior. Every shooting event, IMHO, is unique unto itself. As a hypothetical, an active shooter incident, happening inside say a WalMart where I'm shopping, would NOT have me drawing my legally carried handgun and seeking out the shooter. It would more likely have me either fleeing the store from an exit away from the shots fired and calling 911 or hunkering down in the nearest position of relative cover and preparing to return fire if needed while calling 911. My CCW neither obligates nor motivates ME to protect much beyond my circle of concern. But moving from a hypothetical to a reality changes all plans I might have now, safely at my home PC keyboard, sipping coffee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted February 18, 2019 at 02:39 PM Author Share Posted February 18, 2019 at 02:39 PM All of the victims were apparently together. Once the shooting started, an armed person would likely have had to return fire mmediately, which would have at least slowed the killing down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec5 Posted February 18, 2019 at 03:01 PM Share Posted February 18, 2019 at 03:01 PM http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=71189 See post 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted February 18, 2019 at 03:10 PM Share Posted February 18, 2019 at 03:10 PM All of the victims were apparently together. Once the shooting started, an armed person would likely have had to return fire mmediately, which would have at least slowed the killing down.At least they'd have had a chance at surviving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwing Posted February 20, 2019 at 02:17 PM Share Posted February 20, 2019 at 02:17 PM Yes, they had the anti-gun sign on their door. It acted as expected; the sign insured that all the victims were disarmed for the conveneince of the mass killer. You could see the sign in the background on the newscasts of the event. But of course the news ignored that completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted February 20, 2019 at 02:52 PM Share Posted February 20, 2019 at 02:52 PM Remember this campaign? These people are still around, but are coddling ICE violators lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted February 20, 2019 at 04:16 PM Share Posted February 20, 2019 at 04:16 PM Remember all those people getting killed by CCL licencees at Mariano's??? THAT was TERRIBLE!! My employer has a sign and a policy of "no weapons". I already told my wife that if I'm shot and killed at work, she's to sue the company. Unfortunately, I work as a professional and I have yet to see any employer in my industry that's not posted and doesn't have a policy. If I were independently wealthy, I'd either stop working, change industries, or ignore the policy and take my chances of being discovered and fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJim Posted February 20, 2019 at 04:28 PM Share Posted February 20, 2019 at 04:28 PM Remember all those people getting killed by CCL licencees at Mariano's??? THAT was TERRIBLE!! My employer has a sign and a policy of "no weapons". I already told my wife that if I'm shot and killed at work, she's to sue the company. Unfortunately, I work as a professional and I have yet to see any employer in my industry that's not posted and doesn't have a policy. If I were independently wealthy, I'd either stop working, change industries, or ignore the policy and take my chances of being discovered and fired.I know the feeling. I'm glad I work from home now as my "office" is vary well armed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted February 20, 2019 at 05:54 PM Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 at 05:54 PM If those for gun control really believe that they are safer in places without firearms, why don't they put up signs on their homes saying "This is a Gun Free Home" or words to that effect. Its clear that those favoring gun control just don't want the rest of us to have guns, and they want to be able to control us. No compromise, no surrender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted February 20, 2019 at 06:11 PM Share Posted February 20, 2019 at 06:11 PM why don't they put up signs on their homes saying "This is a Gun Free Home" or words to that effect.At least one of them does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird76Mojo Posted February 20, 2019 at 06:17 PM Share Posted February 20, 2019 at 06:17 PM why don't they put up signs on their homes saying "This is a Gun Free Home" or words to that effect.At least one of them does. Who would that be, and do they have private armed security forces? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted February 21, 2019 at 02:14 PM Share Posted February 21, 2019 at 02:14 PM Remember this campaign? These people are still around, but are coddling ICE violators lately. I hope this is a parody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomG Posted February 21, 2019 at 03:21 PM Share Posted February 21, 2019 at 03:21 PM Remember this campaign? These people are still around, but are coddling ICE violators lately. I hope this is a parody.It’s not. They really exist and believe GFZ signs prevent shootings. But they fear you and me, legal gun carriers. They think that if we have guns, we will shoot people that bump into us at the store or who grab the last loaf of bread. Since we carry guns, they believe that we have mental issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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