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#1 mkhalil61

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Posted 22 November 2017 - 04:15 PM

Hey guys. So around 6:30 last night I pulled up to my house and notice a suspicious vehicle stopped in my alley. So I waited a few seconds for the car to pull off and it didn't. So I became more suspicious. I put my car back in drive and put my foot on the brake (in case the car tried boxing me in I would be able to react faster). I then waited a few minutes and told myself that if the car did not move along than I was going to put my car back in park and make a dash for my front door. Sure enough thats what I did and as soon as I turn back I notice the driver took his foot of his brakes and immediately put his foot back on his brakes causing his car to rock. So now I'm thinking what the heck is going on. As I got to my front door and inside my house the car than drove out of my alley and passed my house. As soon as I seen him pull over to the side to park I immediately went into my bedroom to retrieve my firearm. Once I got back to my front door the car was no where to be found. I did call the police and file a police report.

 

I decided to let you all know about this because I have been Under board review for my conceal carry license for over a year now. Honestly, there is no good reason for me to be under board review, let alone be in limbo for this long. Might I add over the summer I applied for my Florida CCL and received it 20 days later. I am just extremely frustrated with the system here in Illinois (especially Cook County) and if something unfortunate where to happen to me last night no one would be held accountable. Living just a few minutes from the ghetto, I constantly fear for my safety. I do keep a bottle of OC spray in my car, but how efficient is that against a firearm in your face? 


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Posted 22 November 2017 - 05:26 PM

I hope you got the license plate number, make and model of car.    Even better: a picture of the car for the police. 


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Posted 23 November 2017 - 01:55 AM

Fanny Pack transport may have been a better option. The person in the car now knows which house is yours.
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Posted 28 November 2017 - 09:15 AM

I'm glad you're okay.

 

Next time call the police on your cell phone while still in your car. If the person is not a threat, the police will quickly determine that. If he or she is a threat, a call to the police will likely scare them off from being in your neighborhood again.

 

As far as protecting yourself without the police...have you considered pepper spray?

I also believe that license holders from other states can carry within their vehicle legally in Illinois. I don't know if that only applies to residents of the state of issuance. It may not apply to Illinois residents with out-of-state licenses. Someone here knows the answer to that.

You may also carry on your own property without a license. I presume you have a FOID since you have a gun in you home. So, in theory, making the assumption that your FL license is good in your car...if you drive onto your property, you may exit the car armed as long as you step onto your property from the vehicle. Then you may walk to your door armed. From the post, I can't tell if that's possible. And, again, it depends on whether your FL license allows you to do that.



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Posted 28 November 2017 - 11:19 AM

I also believe that license holders from other states can carry within their vehicle legally in Illinois. I don't know if that only applies to residents of the state of issuance. It may not apply to Illinois residents with out-of-state licenses. Someone here knows the answer to that.

Almost certain, it's honored for RESIDENTS of that state.  Ergo, he needs an Illinois CCL to have it loaded and ready in the car.  (Foid, he can still have it in a case mag out and just insert the mag and rack if trouble comes near).


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Posted 28 November 2017 - 11:36 AM

That's kinda what I'm thinking. I just wanted someone with more in-depth knowledge to comment before I said it was for sure.

 

If you can pull into your driveway, you could then load up and holster and carry on your walk from the car to your front door legally with only a FOID.



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Posted 01 December 2017 - 01:56 PM

a couple years ago a neighbor texted me that there was a guy sitting in a car on our block and had been there for about an hour. We suspected he was casing houses and observing times of entries and exits.

 

so I grabbed my phone a sharpie marker and a piece of paper, went out and wrote the license plate down on the paper, walked up to the car, and showed the driver the letters and numbers of his own license plate and took a picture of him in the car.

 

he nonchalantly started the engine and drove off.

 

never saw the car again.


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Posted 01 December 2017 - 02:07 PM

One harmless reason a car may be parked outside a home (primarily in daylight) is when a lender has filed a formal lis pendens notice against a delinquent borrower, or a foreclosure has been granted.  The lender then dispatches one or more real estate agents to perform a Broker Price Opinion to value the property. Photographs are taken of the outside and the street view, and the agent also makes note of condition, nearby comps, etc. It's going to look like someone casing the joint.


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Posted 02 December 2017 - 07:49 AM

One harmless reason a car may be parked outside a home (primarily in daylight) is when a lender has filed a formal lis pendens notice against a delinquent borrower, or a foreclosure has been granted.  The lender then dispatches one or more real estate agents to perform a Broker Price Opinion to value the property. Photographs are taken of the outside and the street view, and the agent also makes note of condition, nearby comps, etc. It's going to look like someone casing the joint.

 

Exterior BPOs are normally done while still in the car with the camera out the window while driving by.  It takes only seconds. 


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Posted 02 December 2017 - 11:14 AM

Take down the license number of the car and call the police. They will take care of it and let you know if there is an issue. That is why the police exist and we pay lots of taxes.


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 03:50 PM

Had a car with two individuals inside hanging outside office of employment last week.  Made several employees uneasy.  Turns out the two suspicious people inside were undercover detectives doing surveillance on neighbor.



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Posted 06 December 2017 - 10:18 AM

I just called the cops last night on two men who parked their two cars at least half a block away from where they walked off too. One of them put on a reflective vest like he's a utility worker. These were personal cars and it was outside of normal worker hours and after dark.  My subdivision is 116 homes on a circular  horseshoe type drive. It's low traffic and there's plenty of street parking in front of any house you may be directly visiting. Why park 1/2 block away from your destination when it's below freezing, dark and really windy? Suspicious as heck.



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Posted 06 December 2017 - 02:40 PM

I just called the cops last night on two men who parked their two cars at least half a block away from where they walked off too. One of them put on a reflective vest like he's a utility worker. These were personal cars and it was outside of normal worker hours and after dark.  My subdivision is 116 homes on a circular  horseshoe type drive. It's low traffic and there's plenty of street parking in front of any house you may be directly visiting. Why park 1/2 block away from your destination when it's below freezing, dark and really windy? Suspicious as heck.

Maybe one of the utility provider sign up scams making you think they are from ComEd with the utility vest and making the round of homes offering a better electric bill? Regardless, still worthy of suspicion.

The guy that showed up after 6 PM at mine in a vest was really annoyed I kept asking for a ComEd ID after he implied thats where he was from. Watched him leave and his car was not close.

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 09:20 PM

a couple years ago a neighbor texted me that there was a guy sitting in a car on our block and had been there for about an hour. We suspected he was casing houses and observing times of entries and exits.

 

so I grabbed my phone a sharpie marker and a piece of paper, went out and wrote the license plate down on the paper, walked up to the car, and showed the driver the letters and numbers of his own license plate and took a picture of him in the car.

 

he nonchalantly started the engine and drove off.

 

never saw the car again.

 

That's good Beezil and I'm glad it turned out so well.  HOWEVER, you took a dangerous and unnecessary risk.  What if that person's intent WAS evil?  What if there were more than one in the car?

You got LUCKY.


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Posted 10 December 2017 - 10:47 PM

You can carry in  your car under FOID rules if the gun is unloaded an in a closed container. Once you are on you own property, including your driveway, you can load and carry concealed or openly.

 

Sales organizations often turn teams of youngsters loose in a neighborhood, while waiting in a parked car on the street. You can't know. It's best to let the police investigate rather than take matters into your own hands. You are not a cop, and your weapon is for defense only, licensed or not.



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Posted 11 December 2017 - 09:00 AM

You can carry in  your car under FOID rules if the gun is unloaded an in a closed container. Once you are on you own property, including your driveway, you can load and carry concealed or openly.

 

Sales organizations often turn teams of youngsters loose in a neighborhood, while waiting in a parked car on the street. You can't know. It's best to let the police investigate rather than take matters into your own hands. You are not a cop, and your weapon is for defense only, licensed or not.

 

That actually happens all the time by my house. It's usually some person who wants you to switch utility providers. They have a habit of parking across the street, usually after 5PM when people are coming home and they start walking down the block hitting every house with some BS ID and possibly a reflective vest on.

 

I deal with these people in a Samuel L Jackson way. I let them start their spiel and then ask? "Are you stupid"? The usual response is WHAT? I ask again louder "Are you stupid?" The second time they will usually say no. "Then why are you knocking on my door posing as someone from Com Ed or Nicor when I have clearly have a No Soliciting sign on my door? Is that your car? because only a stupid person would be soliciting in violation of my villages laws." When I call the police and you get arrested down the block, that's the car they have to tow? Get off of my F'ing property. They will usually jump into their car.

At 5PM the PD has traffic tickets to write so I doubt they would respond but they don't know that.

 

I would like to touch on something though: "You are not a cop, and your weapon is for defense only, licensed or not."

I think a lot of people with CCLs forget that. Your CCL does not deputize you and you cannot just point a gun at a solicitor, CCL or not.



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Posted 11 December 2017 - 12:10 PM

All that evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

Thank God there are still beezils in this world that understand the best way to turn a wolf around is to stand in front of him and snarl back.


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Posted 11 December 2017 - 01:12 PM

All that evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

Thank God there are still beezils in this world that understand the best way to turn a wolf around is to stand in front of him and snarl back.


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Witty phrases mean nothing when your are arrested for brandishing or get run over by a car. Your taxes pay the Police to investigate suspicious activity. Call them and let them do their job. By calling you've done something. As a CCL holder you are supposed to try and avoid confrontation not purposely get into one. Thanking God has nothing to do with it.

 

All it takes for all CCL holders to get a bad rap is for one of them to act like they are a cop.



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Posted 11 December 2017 - 02:13 PM

All that evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
Thank God there are still beezils in this world that understand the best way to turn a wolf around is to stand in front of him and snarl back.
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Witty phrases mean nothing when your are arrested for brandishing or get run over by a car. Your taxes pay the Police to investigate suspicious activity. Call them and let them do their job. By calling you've done something. As a CCL holder you are supposed to try and avoid confrontation not purposely get into one. Thanking God has nothing to do with it.
 
All it takes for all CCL holders to get a bad rap is for one of them to act like they are a cop.


Yeah, and police are always just in time to file a report.

Doing what the member described above is not out of line. Letting criminals know that you or even your neighborhood is not an easy mark is not only ok, but it's the right thing to do.

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Posted 11 December 2017 - 06:55 PM

 

All that evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
Thank God there are still beezils in this world that understand the best way to turn a wolf around is to stand in front of him and snarl back.
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Witty phrases mean nothing when your are arrested for brandishing or get run over by a car. Your taxes pay the Police to investigate suspicious activity. Call them and let them do their job. By calling you've done something. As a CCL holder you are supposed to try and avoid confrontation not purposely get into one. Thanking God has nothing to do with it.
 
All it takes for all CCL holders to get a bad rap is for one of them to act like they are a cop.


Yeah, and police are always just in time to file a report.

Doing what the member described above is not out of line. Letting criminals know that you or even your neighborhood is not an easy mark is not only ok, but it's the right thing to do.

 

 

There's a lot of assumptions with that scenario but most of them end up badly for the member described above.

That person might have just been eating lunch or talking on the phone. That's not criminal. The guy thinks you are a nut and drives off.

The guy in the same scenario tells you to go F yourself and now YOU have escalated the situation. Maybe he has a CCL and gets out of the car and feels that since he was minding his own business, YOU are the threat. In the end you end up severely wounded or dead and the guy who just finished his Taco Bell is exonerated because of your neighbors testimony.

You being MR. BADASS think that since you have a CCL are somehow a deputized LEO with powers of arrest. You end up brandishing and the real police come knocking. You are arrested and charged, plea to a lesser charge because the guy has the whole thing on video on his IPhone. You lose your FOID and CCL and pay a hefty fine.

The guy is a MEG agent doing surveillance, you just blew his cover and he is going to have a real fun time with you. You end up in the back seat of the car and take a trip to the nearest county jail. You will probably be charged with disorderly conduct.

OR

The guy is actually a criminal and sees you walking up to the car and writing down the plate of a car he stole. He blows you away with his gun without warning. Same scenario but he decides to run you over. You walk up to the car to show him the plate that you wrote down, he opens the door quickly and knocks you to the ground and beats you senseless either taking your gun and shooting you with it or if unarmed just giving you a prison beat down, cracking your skull open on the street.

Non of these scenarios plays out as a Self Defense situation, you initiated every one of them because your neighbor texted you, you left your house and started a confrontation because a car was parked on your block in broad daylight.

OR

You should call the REAL POLICE and report suspicious activity. If they show up and the guy is gone they aren't going to bother to file a report. If they show up and the guy is up to no good, then you did the right thing, what you were supposed to as a citizen.

 

YOU ARE NOT THE POLICE, DONT TRY AND ACT LIKE A SWORN POLICE OFFICER BECAUSE YOU HAVE A CCL!



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Posted 11 December 2017 - 08:44 PM

 

All that evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
Thank God there are still beezils in this world that understand the best way to turn a wolf around is to stand in front of him and snarl back.
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Witty phrases mean nothing when your are arrested for brandishing or get run over by a car. Your taxes pay the Police to investigate suspicious activity. Call them and let them do their job. By calling you've done something. As a CCL holder you are supposed to try and avoid confrontation not purposely get into one. Thanking God has nothing to do with it.
 
All it takes for all CCL holders to get a bad rap is for one of them to act like they are a cop.


Yeah, and police are always just in time to file a report.
Doing what the member described above is not out of line. Letting criminals know that you or even your neighborhood is not an easy mark is not only ok, but it's the right thing to do.
 


 
There's a lot of assumptions with that scenario but most of them end up badly for the member described above.
That person might have just been eating lunch or talking on the phone. That's not criminal. The guy thinks you are a nut and drives off.
The guy in the same scenario tells you to go F yourself and now YOU have escalated the situation. Maybe he has a CCL and gets out of the car and feels that since he was minding his own business, YOU are the threat. In the end you end up severely wounded or dead and the guy who just finished his Taco Bell is exonerated because of your neighbors testimony.
You being MR. BADASS think that since you have a CCL are somehow a deputized LEO with powers of arrest. You end up brandishing and the real police come knocking. You are arrested and charged, plea to a lesser charge because the guy has the whole thing on video on his IPhone. You lose your FOID and CCL and pay a hefty fine.
The guy is a MEG agent doing surveillance, you just blew his cover and he is going to have a real fun time with you. You end up in the back seat of the car and take a trip to the nearest county jail. You will probably be charged with disorderly conduct.
OR
The guy is actually a criminal and sees you walking up to the car and writing down the plate of a car he stole. He blows you away with his gun without warning. Same scenario but he decides to run you over. You walk up to the car to show him the plate that you wrote down, he opens the door quickly and knocks you to the ground and beats you senseless either taking your gun and shooting you with it or if unarmed just giving you a prison beat down, cracking your skull open on the street.
Non of these scenarios plays out as a Self Defense situation, you initiated every one of them because your neighbor texted you, you left your house and started a confrontation because a car was parked on your block in broad daylight.
OR
You should call the REAL POLICE and report suspicious activity. If they show up and the guy is gone they aren't going to bother to file a report. If they show up and the guy is up to no good, then you did the right thing, what you were supposed to as a citizen.
 
YOU ARE NOT THE POLICE, DONT TRY AND ACT LIKE A SWORN POLICE OFFICER BECAUSE YOU HAVE A CCL!


Perhaps if you don't see a path to taking a picture and writing down a license plate number that doesn't involve a gunfight, you should reconsider...everything.

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 06:22 AM

 

 

All that evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
Thank God there are still beezils in this world that understand the best way to turn a wolf around is to stand in front of him and snarl back.
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Witty phrases mean nothing when your are arrested for brandishing or get run over by a car. Your taxes pay the Police to investigate suspicious activity. Call them and let them do their job. By calling you've done something. As a CCL holder you are supposed to try and avoid confrontation not purposely get into one. Thanking God has nothing to do with it.
 
All it takes for all CCL holders to get a bad rap is for one of them to act like they are a cop.


Yeah, and police are always just in time to file a report.
Doing what the member described above is not out of line. Letting criminals know that you or even your neighborhood is not an easy mark is not only ok, but it's the right thing to do.
 


 
There's a lot of assumptions with that scenario but most of them end up badly for the member described above.
That person might have just been eating lunch or talking on the phone. That's not criminal. The guy thinks you are a nut and drives off.
The guy in the same scenario tells you to go F yourself and now YOU have escalated the situation. Maybe he has a CCL and gets out of the car and feels that since he was minding his own business, YOU are the threat. In the end you end up severely wounded or dead and the guy who just finished his Taco Bell is exonerated because of your neighbors testimony.
You being MR. BADASS think that since you have a CCL are somehow a deputized LEO with powers of arrest. You end up brandishing and the real police come knocking. You are arrested and charged, plea to a lesser charge because the guy has the whole thing on video on his IPhone. You lose your FOID and CCL and pay a hefty fine.
The guy is a MEG agent doing surveillance, you just blew his cover and he is going to have a real fun time with you. You end up in the back seat of the car and take a trip to the nearest county jail. You will probably be charged with disorderly conduct.
OR
The guy is actually a criminal and sees you walking up to the car and writing down the plate of a car he stole. He blows you away with his gun without warning. Same scenario but he decides to run you over. You walk up to the car to show him the plate that you wrote down, he opens the door quickly and knocks you to the ground and beats you senseless either taking your gun and shooting you with it or if unarmed just giving you a prison beat down, cracking your skull open on the street.
Non of these scenarios plays out as a Self Defense situation, you initiated every one of them because your neighbor texted you, you left your house and started a confrontation because a car was parked on your block in broad daylight.
OR
You should call the REAL POLICE and report suspicious activity. If they show up and the guy is gone they aren't going to bother to file a report. If they show up and the guy is up to no good, then you did the right thing, what you were supposed to as a citizen.
 
YOU ARE NOT THE POLICE, DONT TRY AND ACT LIKE A SWORN POLICE OFFICER BECAUSE YOU HAVE A CCL!


Perhaps if you don't see a path to taking a picture and writing down a license plate number that doesn't involve a gunfight, you should reconsider...everything.

 

 

I see a path that is unnecessary and could involve a lot of BS that ends badly. 

If someone doesn't want to exercise common sense and it turns out badly, that's on them. 

Call the PD when your nosy neighbor texts you that there's a "suspicious" car parked outside.

Reconsider the stupidity of initiating a confrontation. Call the Police.

No good comes from walking up to the car, that's just common sense.

That's what's lacking from the story and seems to be in short supply lately............



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Posted 12 December 2017 - 07:46 AM

 

a couple years ago a neighbor texted me that there was a guy sitting in a car on our block and had been there for about an hour. We suspected he was casing houses and observing times of entries and exits.

 

so I grabbed my phone a sharpie marker and a piece of paper, went out and wrote the license plate down on the paper, walked up to the car, and showed the driver the letters and numbers of his own license plate and took a picture of him in the car.

 

he nonchalantly started the engine and drove off.

 

never saw the car again.

 

That's good Beezil and I'm glad it turned out so well.  HOWEVER, you took a dangerous and unnecessary risk.  What if that person's intent WAS evil?  What if there were more than one in the car?

You got LUCKY.

 

 

i'm pretty sure the guy i scared off feels lucky.

 

what if i'm more dangerous than him?


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Posted 12 December 2017 - 10:23 AM

Backing up to OP's original situation/report.

Sir, I believe you got lucky and that the guy in question had no immediate evil intent towards you or yours.

 

Had that been a home invasion, you might or might not have made it to your firearm.  He almost certainly would have been in your home before you would have been able to return to the door.  Assuming that he was also armed, things could have gone sideways very quickly.

 

If you pull up and find someone parked in front of your home like that, just whip out the cell phone, take a picture of the car and license plate, back up, and drive off.  File a report with the local PD from the nearest McDonalds.  It's the same concept as paying attention to your rear view mirror when you get to a mile or so away from your home (the "three turn" rule).  Due to the location of my new home, I can't use 3 turns.  But, if they've stuck with me for 5 or more turns, or for more than 2 miles, I'll drive past my house and around the block instead of pulling into the driveway.

 

I watched a reasonably good video on YouTube about this a month or so ago, and can't for the life of me find the link to it now.  It was a training video where a woman and kid were followed home by a bad guy.  The first time they ran through the scenario, the woman was completely oblivious.  The Bad Guy was on her before she got out of the car, frog marched her in with her husband, and that was that.  The second time, the woman was paying attention, was able to get the garage door closed and beat the guy in the house by a good 20 seconds, where her husband was waiting with a sidearm.  The third go-round, she drove past her house and called 911.

 

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 12:30 PM

What is the 3 turn rule? An online search brings up how to do a 3 point turn. 



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Posted 12 December 2017 - 01:05 PM

What is the 3 turn rule? An online search brings up how to do a 3 point turn. 

 

As you are driving, and particularly driving in less-travelled areas or getting ready to pull into your subdivision/home area, keep an eye on your rear-view mirror.  If you see a car follow you through three turns, you're not necessarily being followed, but you should be concerned.  Consider driving past your destination and looping back around.  The video I talked about above mentioned it (and I'd have sworn I'd seen Massad Ayoob mention it as well, but my Google-fu is weak today).

 

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 03:17 PM

It's actually the 4 turn rule:

https://www.forbes.c...u/#18c4352d35d7



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Posted 12 December 2017 - 03:23 PM

 

 

a couple years ago a neighbor texted me that there was a guy sitting in a car on our block and had been there for about an hour. We suspected he was casing houses and observing times of entries and exits.

 

so I grabbed my phone a sharpie marker and a piece of paper, went out and wrote the license plate down on the paper, walked up to the car, and showed the driver the letters and numbers of his own license plate and took a picture of him in the car.

 

he nonchalantly started the engine and drove off.

 

never saw the car again.

 

That's good Beezil and I'm glad it turned out so well.  HOWEVER, you took a dangerous and unnecessary risk.  What if that person's intent WAS evil?  What if there were more than one in the car?

You got LUCKY.

 

 

i'm pretty sure the guy i scared off feels lucky.

 

what if i'm more dangerous than him?

 

 

Pretty sure the guy was finishing his lunch and thought "Look at this whack job".

By initiating a confrontation you will always come out on the losing end. 

Did you miss that part in CCL class or just forget it? You NEVER come out on top in your scenario.

"what if i'm more dangerous than him?" You lose, if you're not, you lose.

If your neighbor was so concerned then why did they contact you instead of the POLICE?

You are not more dangerous then a 4000 lb. car, you are a stain going down the street.

Plus it's justified homicide on his part because you thought you were John Wayne, especially if you brandished.

You cannot claim Self Defense when you walked X amount of feet to start a confrontation.

I'm done writing about your MISTAKE. You might want to look into the law and see exactly what SELF DEFENSE means.

You're duty in this situation is to call the POLICE and not act like you are a US Marshal, nothing more.

 

"You definitely got LUCKY."



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Posted 12 December 2017 - 04:22 PM

It's actually the 4 turn rule:
https://www.forbes.c...u/#18c4352d35d7


Sorry. I’d learned it as 3 turns.

Color me vigilant. :)

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 06:45 PM

 

It's actually the 4 turn rule:
https://www.forbes.c...u/#18c4352d35d7


Sorry. I’d learned it as 3 turns.

Color me vigilant. :)

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The same here. If after 3 turns you are almost positive you are being followed but the 4th turn puts you going in the same direction that you started so you are now 100% positive that you are being followed.

 

"As for the posted scenario, just call the police. If it's a local police surveillance, dispatch will put the call out and the undercover unit will cancel it and move along for now. If it's feds/state police, they most likely did not tell their brothers in blue about their surveillance and local PD will roll up on the vehicle. Watch them run the plates and then back off. If its a PI or stalker, local PD will light them up, tell them to move along or even let the reporting party know what is going on."






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