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Posted 29 January 2016 - 07:38 PM

What's the latest on having a both a medical marijuana card and a concealed carry card? I know there were threads about it in the past, but what's the latest news? In December, I know some medical MJ users had letters sent to them stating their FOID's were being revoked. Supposedly the "mistake" by ISP was rectified, but I haven't heard any news on it. Also, are there any members here that have a medical MJ card and a CCL? (if not comfortable posting about it, if someone wants to PM me, I'd appreciate it, and promise to keep it private). I had a friend ask, and want to make sure I'm giving the correct information. Thanks. Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk

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Posted 29 January 2016 - 07:46 PM

The FOIDs and CCLs were reinstated. There is still a problem with federal law. ISP, legislators, and interested parties are trying to find a workable solution.
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Posted 29 January 2016 - 07:47 PM

​My friend had a medical marijuana card and a CCL but he stashed it somewhere and can't find it.


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Posted 29 January 2016 - 08:52 PM

I really hope we see this resolved in the legislature. Illinois is already in violation of Federal laws by allowing medical Marijuana, the feds just choose to ignore the violation and not raid every grow house in the State.  IL should do the same, ignore Federal law and allow someone to hold a Medical Marijuana card, a FOID and a CCL. Treat it the same as Alcohol, no DUI's, no CUI, good to go.


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Posted 29 January 2016 - 10:27 PM

As one who has long opposed legalization, I must admit seeing the other side of the issue by none other than punky McMahon in today's tribune. Food for thought...

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Posted 30 January 2016 - 05:37 AM

As one who has long opposed legalization, I must admit seeing the other side of the issue by none other than punky McMahon in today's tribune. Food for thought...

I think this whole legalization is an end-around to just de-criminalize it for people that really like to smoke it. I have heard claims that it kills brain tumors. So why did my friends dad, who smoked pot every day of his life, die of a brain tumor? I have a relative that smokes it, supposedly for fibromyalgia and back pain, but does nothing but complain about how much pain she is in all the time. Why do I know people who drive to Colorado to buy pot at the dispensaries and mail it back home and sell it at a huge profit?

It did help my FIL have an appetite through his chemo treatments but that is about the only medical use I can see for it as none of the poisons that the pharmaceutical companies make seem to help. I have no problem with people who want to smoke it or do anything else to themselves but in my personal opinion, claiming it has all these miracle properties just to get the government to look the other way about it is just smoke and mirrors so people don't have to worry about getting their door kicked in at 3 am. JMHO


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Posted 31 January 2016 - 12:36 AM

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Posted 31 January 2016 - 02:19 AM

As one who has long opposed legalization, I must admit seeing the other side of the issue by none other than punky McMahon in today's tribune. Food for thought...

I think this whole legalization is an end-around to just de-criminalize it for people that really like to smoke it. I have heard claims that it kills brain tumors. So why did my friends dad, who smoked pot every day of his life, die of a brain tumor? I have a relative that smokes it, supposedly for fibromyalgia and back pain, but does nothing but complain about how much pain she is in all the time. Why do I know people who drive to Colorado to buy pot at the dispensaries and mail it back home and sell it at a huge profit?
It did help my FIL have an appetite through his chemo treatments but that is about the only medical use I can see for it as none of the poisons that the pharmaceutical companies make seem to help. I have no problem with people who want to smoke it or do anything else to themselves but in my personal opinion, claiming it has all these miracle properties just to get the government to look the other way about it is just smoke and mirrors so people don't have to worry about getting their door kicked in at 3 am. JMHO

The true costs of legalization IMHO are 1) the huge tax revenue possibility and 2) emptying prisons of MJ offenders ...however this panacea must be weighed versus the true cost of addiction.... Society must stop labeling a person who is addicted...and must address the human need for treatment that will rise once MJ is made legal... Quite the conundrum......

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Posted 31 January 2016 - 11:49 AM

Be very, very careful if you use marijuana and have a CCL, whether on vacation in Colorado or for medical reasons here.  From the Firearm Concealed Carry Act:

 

 

A licensee shall not carry a concealed firearm while under the influence of alcohol, other drug or drugs, intoxicating compound or combination of compounds, or any combination thereof, under the standards set forth in subsection (a) of Section 11-501 of the Illinois Vehicle Code.

 

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there is any amount of a drug, substance, or compound in the person's breath, blood, or urine resulting from the unlawful use or consumption of cannabis listed in the Cannabis Control Act, a controlled substance listed in the Illinois Controlled Substances Act, an intoxicating compound listed in the Use of Intoxicating Compounds Act, or methamphetamine as listed in the Methamphetamine Control and Community Protection Act. Subject to all other requirements and provisions under this Section, this paragraph (6) does not apply to the lawful consumption of cannabis by a qualifying patient licensed under the Compassionate Use of Medical Cannabis Pilot Program Act who is in possession of a valid registry card issued under that Act, unless that person is impaired by the use of cannabis.



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Posted 31 January 2016 - 01:12 PM

I always wondered about the question on the 4473 that asks if you're an illegal user of (marijuana).  Marijuana is still illegal under federal law so I would think anyone who uses would have to check "yes" whether it's against their state law or not.


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Posted 31 January 2016 - 01:13 PM

I always wondered about the question on the 4473 that asks if you're an illegal user of (marijuana).  Marijuana is still illegal under federal law so I would think anyone who uses would have to check "yes" whether it's against their state law or not.


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Posted 31 January 2016 - 01:35 PM

I'm one of the complete legalization supporters.  While I don't smoke pot, I believe that people should have the right to live their lives as they see fit.  Alcohol is by far, much worse than pot.  The worst thing that can happen to someone that gets behind the wheel after smoking pot is that they stop and wait for a stop sign to turn green....

 

Pot was originally made illegal through Anslinger who used racist propaganda films to get people to be afraid that once white women smoke pot, they'll run into the arms of black men.  I did a long research paper on this topic back in school and was shocked at what I found.  Anslinger was about to be out of a job during the time of the depression so he had to find a way to keep himself employed by the federal government.  He used pot as the vehicle to keep him employed by playing on people's xenophobia at the time.  Just watch the Reefer Madness movies from that time period.  I grew up in the city so I've had the opportunity to be around a lot of potheads, and not once have I seen any act the way they did in the films lol.  

 

But take my opinion on legalization with a grain of salt because I also believe that we should legalize them all.  The war on drugs was lost a long time ago and is basically like playing whack a mole, except after you whack a mole, another one pops up in it's place.  We spend billions of dollars fighting this war that is not winnable and only give money and power to those that import and sell drugs.  If we treated drug addiction instead of what we're doing now, not only would we spend far less money on treating addiction, but use would also plummet.  We have a perfect example of this in Portugal, where all drugs have been legalized for some time.  

 

At the very least, we should leave it up to the states.  Legalize at the Federal level, then let each state decide on their own, the way it was meant to be.  
 


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Posted 31 January 2016 - 01:43 PM

 

I always wondered about the question on the 4473 that asks if you're an illegal user of (marijuana).  Marijuana is still illegal under federal law so I would think anyone who uses would have to check "yes" whether it's against their state law or not.


Completing a 4473 isn't necessary to applying for a carry license.

 

 

No, but it's kind of pointless to have a carry license if you have nothing to carry.  Some quick googling revealed that ATF agrees that regardless of any state laws on marijuana, it is still illegal to transfer firearms or ammunition to anyone who uses marijuana.

 

https://www.atf.gov/.../60211/download


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Posted 31 January 2016 - 01:51 PM

As Molly alluded to in Post #2 some applicants do find value in it, though I understand you might not.

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Posted 31 January 2016 - 02:33 PM

  I always wondered about the question on the 4473 that asks if you're an illegal user of (marijuana).  Marijuana is still illegal under federal law so I would think anyone who uses would have to check "yes" whether it's against their state law or not. Completing a 4473 isn't necessary to applying for a carry license.     No, but it's kind of pointless to have a carry license if you have nothing to carry.  Some quick googling revealed that ATF agrees that regardless of any state laws on marijuana, it is still illegal to transfer firearms or ammunition to anyone who uses marijuana.   https://www.atf.gov/.../60211/download
You don't have to fill out a 4473 for firearms you already own, or for ones purchased from a private party, and they aren't required to ask about drug. Besides, the issue was with having a MMJ card, not necessarily being a user (that whole due process thing, you can't assume one based on the other) Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk

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Posted 31 January 2016 - 02:38 PM

On what planet does it make sense to give a pot card holder a gun

 

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Posted 31 January 2016 - 02:37 PM

The same planet on which people who have a can of beer are not dispossessed of their rights.

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Posted 31 January 2016 - 02:41 PM

On what planet does it make sense to give a pot card holder a gun
 
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The one on which you continously fail to have an open mind.

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Posted 31 January 2016 - 03:00 PM

 

On what planet does it make sense to give a pot card holder a gun
 
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The one on which you continously fail to have an open mind.

 

 

 

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Posted 31 January 2016 - 03:01 PM

The same planet on which people who have a can of beer are not dispossessed of their rights.

 

 

surely you're smart enough to know a can of beer is different than pot -  well maybe not -  but most folks are

 

carry on


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Posted 31 January 2016 - 03:04 PM

The same planet on which people who have a can of beer are not dispossessed of their rights.

 
 
surely you're smart enough to know a can of beer is different than pot -  well maybe not -  but most folks are
 
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Posted 31 January 2016 - 03:12 PM

The same planet on which people who have a can of beer are not dispossessed of their rights.     surely you're smart enough to know a can of beer is different than pot -  well maybe not -  but most folks are   carry on
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Posted 31 January 2016 - 03:19 PM

I'm one of the complete legalization supporters.  While I don't smoke pot, I believe that people should have the right to live their lives as they see fit.  Alcohol is by far, much worse than pot.  The worst thing that can happen to someone that gets behind the wheel after smoking pot is that they stop and wait for a stop sign to turn green....

 

Pot was originally made illegal through Anslinger who used racist propaganda films to get people to be afraid that once white women smoke pot, they'll run into the arms of black men.  I did a long research paper on this topic back in school and was shocked at what I found.  Anslinger was about to be out of a job during the time of the depression so he had to find a way to keep himself employed by the federal government.  He used pot as the vehicle to keep him employed by playing on people's xenophobia at the time.  Just watch the Reefer Madness movies from that time period.  I grew up in the city so I've had the opportunity to be around a lot of potheads, and not once have I seen any act the way they did in the films lol.  

 

But take my opinion on legalization with a grain of salt because I also believe that we should legalize them all.  The war on drugs was lost a long time ago and is basically like playing whack a mole, except after you whack a mole, another one pops up in it's place.  We spend billions of dollars fighting this war that is not winnable and only give money and power to those that import and sell drugs.  If we treated drug addiction instead of what we're doing now, not only would we spend far less money on treating addiction, but use would also plummet.  We have a perfect example of this in Portugal, where all drugs have been legalized for some time.  

 

At the very least, we should leave it up to the states.  Legalize at the Federal level, then let each state decide on their own, the way it was meant to be.  
 

I couldn't agree more with everything you said.  Legalize it all.


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Posted 31 January 2016 - 05:38 PM

In some states, it's illegal to drink when in possession of a firearm. In most if not all, it's illegal if you are legally intoxicated. That said, alcohol possession and consumption is legal in all states (subject to some restrictions). However possession of marijuana is illegal under federal law, whether the AG sticks his head in the sand (cleaned that up) or not. Possession of a firearm at the same time as illegal drugs is also a crime.



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Posted 31 January 2016 - 11:58 PM

The FOIDs and CCLs were reinstated. There is still a problem with federal law. ISP, legislators, and interested parties are trying to find a workable solution.


Solution is not being morons.

Local and state law enforcement have no reason to enforce federal law.

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Federal law is not a problem, they are just choosing to make a problem because they disagree with state law.
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Posted 02 February 2016 - 01:43 PM

Having a legal level of alcohol in one's bloodstream is not the magic bullet to get out of a DUI, CUI, whatever. I've trolled the appellate court opinions and come across plenty of DUI convictions where the defendant was not even close to being "legally intoxicated" but the conviction was affirmed because of the arresting LEO's observation that the defendant was impaired. Just because someone has a BAC of 0.02 or...anything less than 0.08 does not mean that the person is not impaired to the point where he or she cannot safely operate a vehicle, machinery, firearm, whatever. It's important to note that these arrests were subsequent to lawful traffic stops. Not subsequent to an accident, which is typical for a sub-0.08 BAC to be arrested and charged with DUI. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk
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Posted 02 February 2016 - 11:09 PM

A little off topic, a friend of mine thought that people should have to be proficient with a gun to qualify for the FCCL. He believe that tightening the shooting qualifications was a good idea. I said but the 2A reads

 

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Then I said so your 80 yr old mother has to past those qualifications or she would not be allowed to defend her self if necessary? That shall not infringe only applies to the anointed ones.

I guess whenever some one gets pain pills should surrender their guns to the local police?

 

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Posted 04 February 2016 - 04:56 PM

Schedule II drugs can be administered by prescription, including opioids like Oxicodone and morphine. Schedule I drugs, like heroin and marijuana, have no recognized medical use under federal law. Both scheduled and non-scheduled drugs can be abused, and prosecuted accordingly.



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Posted 05 February 2016 - 01:14 PM

Schedule II drugs can be administered by prescription, including opioids like Oxicodone and morphine. Schedule I drugs, like heroin and marijuana, have no recognized medical use under federal law. Both scheduled and non-scheduled drugs can be abused, and prosecuted accordingly.

The opioid drugs and heroin are derived from the same source, and using that logic, technically those drugs should not be legal even if prescribed by a physician.  

 

The argument against that reasoning is that opioid drugs have a medicinal value for pain relief.  Well, according to many people, people that have children with various diseases of the nervous system such as epilepsy seem to find that medical marijuana combats the effects of those diseases when no other prescribe drug did, allowing them to live a somewhat normal life.  

 

So using the same level of reasoning as is used with opioid drugs, shouldn't medical marijuana, being a far less abusing/addictive substance be regulated like opioid's?  

 

I have family members that have chronic pain and they hate taking opioid pain killers just so that they can live a normal life more or less.  Given the history of the classification of marijuana as a schedule 1 drug, I think it's safe to say that that ranking is superfluous at best.  

 

I'm not for or against marijuana, I'm against government intrusion into how each of us chooses to live our lives.  Using debunked criteria for listing marijuana as a schedule 1 drug many, many, many years ago should have led to it's reclassification.  

 

There are people out there that claim marijuana cures cancer, and all other sorts of stuff, but I've not seen anything definitive out there that suggests that this is true, but what I have read is the many stories that show that it does in fact have a medicinal value that is being ignored.  

 

Tinfoil hat time?  I think that the drug companies want to do everything possible to keep marijuana classified as not having any medicinal value whatsoever because a substantial number of people that are being doped up on their pain killers would stop getting them.  Maybe tin foil is a bit much, and wax paper might be in order.  

 

I also wouldn't hang my hat on anything the FDA says about it because aren't they the same people that approved aspartame for human consumption after not allowing its use in products for YEARS?  Only when Rumsfeld gained power as a bureaucrat in the government is when the product was suddenly approved.  Old Rummy was CEO of Searle prior to getting his bureaucratic power, yep nothing shady about that.  


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Posted 05 February 2016 - 03:18 PM

 

Schedule II drugs can be administered by prescription, including opioids like Oxicodone and morphine. Schedule I drugs, like heroin and marijuana, have no recognized medical use under federal law. Both scheduled and non-scheduled drugs can be abused, and prosecuted accordingly.

The opioid drugs and heroin are derived from the same source, and using that logic, technically those drugs should not be legal even if prescribed by a physician.  

 

The argument against that reasoning is that opioid drugs have a medicinal value for pain relief.  Well, according to many people, people that have children with various diseases of the nervous system such as epilepsy seem to find that medical marijuana combats the effects of those diseases when no other prescribe drug did, allowing them to live a somewhat normal life.  

 

So using the same level of reasoning as is used with opioid drugs, shouldn't medical marijuana, being a far less abusing/addictive substance be regulated like opioid's?  

 

I have family members that have chronic pain and they hate taking opioid pain killers just so that they can live a normal life more or less.  Given the history of the classification of marijuana as a schedule 1 drug, I think it's safe to say that that ranking is superfluous at best.  

 

I'm not for or against marijuana, I'm against government intrusion into how each of us chooses to live our lives.  Using debunked criteria for listing marijuana as a schedule 1 drug many, many, many years ago should have led to it's reclassification.  

 

There are people out there that claim marijuana cures cancer, and all other sorts of stuff, but I've not seen anything definitive out there that suggests that this is true, but what I have read is the many stories that show that it does in fact have a medicinal value that is being ignored.  

 

Tinfoil hat time?  I think that the drug companies want to do everything possible to keep marijuana classified as not having any medicinal value whatsoever because a substantial number of people that are being doped up on their pain killers would stop getting them.  Maybe tin foil is a bit much, and wax paper might be in order.  

 

I also wouldn't hang my hat on anything the FDA says about it because aren't they the same people that approved aspartame for human consumption after not allowing its use in products for YEARS?  Only when Rumsfeld gained power as a bureaucrat in the government is when the product was suddenly approved.  Old Rummy was CEO of Searle prior to getting his bureaucratic power, yep nothing shady about that.  

 

 

The logic in this is absolutely Outstanding!! Amen..


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