vito Posted July 9, 2019 at 01:27 PM Share Posted July 9, 2019 at 01:27 PM There have been numerous items in the news about Antifa increasingly getting into firearms, purchasing guns and offering training in gun use and tactics. Future actions by these thugs could well see them carrying firearms in addition to their normal weaponry of crowbars, clubs, cement "milkshakes" and other blunt force items. How can those that oppose these people respond? Antifa has a big advantage over those of us that oppose them and their methods. They are well organized, well funded, and have established extensive communication networks through social media or other means. Should it be announced that there is some conservative group or speaker coming to some location, Antifa has shown that it can quickly mobilize its thugs to show up on very short notice. We, on the Right, do not have any comparable organization or process. If for example, I read today that Ben Shapiro or Sean Hannity was coming to my city to give a talk, I might on my own decide to show up, armed, to stand up for the right of the individual to speak. But Antifa can get the word out and have a large contingent of like minded people at the scene with a plan to disrupt the speech. The NRA or maybe the GOA is capable of being the organizer for counter demonstrations by those that support the Constitution against those that seek to destroy our freedom. But I doubt that these organizations will step forward and start a process to organize local chapters down to the city and village level, with a phone or social media contact system, as well as a plan for organized activity in support of our goals. They likely fear being labeled by the authorities and/or media as encouraging violence or Nazi brownshirt-like behavior. But the result is that we are disorganized, and even if we are in the majority, an organized minority can dominate our communities.How we make the next step forward is something I don't have the answer to. I think it would either have to be under the auspices of an already established and well known entity, like the NRA, American Legion (although the members might be too old at this point), GOA, or possibly Illinois Carry, etc. or a new organization set up by a donor with the funds that could create and operate such an entity, similar to what the billionaires on the Left have done by creating Antifa in the first place (people like Bloomberg, Soros, Steyer and others). I do know that if there were a local organization appealing to what I call normal Americans, asking them to sign up for communication about being ready and able to show up, armed and mentally prepared to counter the presence of Antifa, I would join in despite being an aging senior citizen. But I would not likely show up on my own and possibly be one old man having to face a crowd of Left wing thugs. That would not end well for me, even if I were successful in using a firearm to defend myself and reduce their numbers considerably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted July 9, 2019 at 02:01 PM Share Posted July 9, 2019 at 02:01 PM There have been numerous items in the news about Antifa increasingly getting into firearms, purchasing guns and offering training in gun use and tactics...How can those that oppose these people respond?How we make the next step forward ... asking (normal Americans) to sign up for communication about being ready and able to show up, armed and mentally prepared to counter the presence of Antifa I understand, but everyone staying home and sucking the wind out of their sails is probably a good idea.The best thing to do when a peaceful demonstration meets violent resistance is to disband and go home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teufel Hunden Posted July 9, 2019 at 02:11 PM Share Posted July 9, 2019 at 02:11 PM There have been numerous items in the news about Antifa increasingly getting into firearms, purchasing guns and offering training in gun use and tactics...How can those that oppose these people respond?How we make the next step forward ... asking (normal Americans) to sign up for communication about being ready and able to show up, armed and mentally prepared to counter the presence of Antifa I understand, but everyone staying home and sucking the wind out of their sails is probably a good idea.The best thing to do when a peaceful demonstration meets violent resistance is to disband and go home.I'm really struggling with the logic on this. Aren't you teaching the violent resistance that they can silence the peaceful demonstrators by simply showing up and causing the peaceful demonstrators to disband and go home? How is this not just giving the violent resistance what they want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VannDaddy Posted July 9, 2019 at 02:27 PM Share Posted July 9, 2019 at 02:27 PM There have been numerous items in the news about Antifa increasingly getting into firearms, purchasing guns and offering training in gun use and tactics...How can those that oppose these people respond?How we make the next step forward ... asking (normal Americans) to sign up for communication about being ready and able to show up, armed and mentally prepared to counter the presence of Antifa I understand, but everyone staying home and sucking the wind out of their sails is probably a good idea.The best thing to do when a peaceful demonstration meets violent resistance is to disband and go home.I'm really struggling with the logic on this. Aren't you teaching the violent resistance that they can silence the peaceful demonstrators by simply showing up and causing the peaceful demonstrators to disband and go home? How is this not just giving the violent resistance what they want?Good luck fighting back against moral-less, ignorant mobs. When the police won’t protect the people from violence because the politicians have commanded them to step back, you can not show up and live to fight politically, or show up and get stomped, arrested, and charged. The choice looks easy to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted July 9, 2019 at 02:39 PM Share Posted July 9, 2019 at 02:39 PM There will be murders in the near future when Antifa starts engaging while armed with firearms. They’ve already upped their attacks by using quick dry cement milkshakes as weapons, which leaves chemical burns. They are a terrorist organization. One can only hope that they fire the first shot in a confrontation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted July 9, 2019 at 02:42 PM Share Posted July 9, 2019 at 02:42 PM There have been numerous items in the news about Antifa increasingly getting into firearms, purchasing guns and offering training in gun use and tactics...How can those that oppose these people respond?How we make the next step forward ... asking (normal Americans) to sign up for communication about being ready and able to show up, armed and mentally prepared to counter the presence of Antifa I understand, but everyone staying home and sucking the wind out of their sails is probably a good idea.The best thing to do when a peaceful demonstration meets violent resistance is to disband and go home.TBH, I kinda agree. If they’re the only ones that show up and cause problems, then it’ll be hard to pin their shenanigans on someone else. That said, they’re attempting to silence people via fear and violence, which should not be tolerated. Paging the DOJ!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted July 9, 2019 at 02:42 PM Share Posted July 9, 2019 at 02:42 PM Rather than go home when they show up, it would be better to continue the peaceful event without engaging with them, have lots of video running to capture their assaults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted July 9, 2019 at 02:50 PM Share Posted July 9, 2019 at 02:50 PM Rather than go home when they show up, it would be better to continue the peaceful event without engaging with them, have lots of video running to capture their assaults.Agreed, and its too bad that the enemy media refuses to show it and will spin it as anti-fascists attacked by right wing Nazis You all remember this? http://i.imgur.com/EXcnTuC.jpg It was portrayed as a right winger who attacked Antifa, even though antifa threw the first punch. What was not shown though is the full video. Whos the aggressor (and also armed)? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB2gcQXj3Z0&app=desktop Mr. Antifa is drinking through a straw now BTW. Hes out for good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted July 9, 2019 at 02:59 PM Share Posted July 9, 2019 at 02:59 PM Also, they’re gettinf professional training cuz they look like idiots otherwise http://i.imgur.com/Bgeb3RI.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted July 9, 2019 at 03:04 PM Share Posted July 9, 2019 at 03:04 PM Showing up purposely armed to stop the other side because you think they will be armed and cause trouble is just a really bad idea. Engaging them with additional violence, cat calling included, is also a bad idea. It just fuels more violence. Don’t engage them. Documenting bad behavior is probably a good idea. Continuing about your own good business is good. Defending yourself is an entirely different matter and inevitable when other measures fail. I’ve been in several violent scrums as a journalist. Not fun. When we choose to walk away the cops generally recognize us and let us pass through hastily formed police barricades. Participants are generally not afforded the same courtesy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted July 9, 2019 at 03:18 PM Share Posted July 9, 2019 at 03:18 PM Showing up purposely armed to stop the other side because you think they will be armed and cause trouble is just a really bad idea. Engaging them with additional violence, cat calling included, is also a bad idea. It just fuels more violence. Dont engage them. Documenting bad behavior is probably a good idea. Continuing about your own good business is good. Defending yourself is an entirely different matter and inevitable when other measures fail. Ive been in several violent scrums as a journalist. Not fun. When we choose to walk away the cops generally recognize us and let us pass through hastily formed police barricades. Participants are generally not afforded the same courtesy.Thats why I myself never get involved in stuff like this. Nothing good ever comes of it. In Portland, its two sides clashing for the sole purpose to clash. One side (Antifa) is escalating it by upping the weapons used recently. Itll only get worse Now, for the March For Our Rights rally here in IL, if Antifa shows up, its on them. Fun fact: we have an Antifa supporting member here (not you, Soundguy. So please dont take it as I was implying you lol). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted July 9, 2019 at 03:31 PM Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 at 03:31 PM No one said this would be easy. When the Nazis were gaining power in pre-WWII Germany they were a small minority. But their organized thugs, the Brownshirts and other similar groups, were able to terrorize the unorganized public into submission and fear. Few stood up to them, and the weak, apathetic government at the time seem bewildered in how to deal with Hitler and his thugs. Any Americans who think we are magically immune from this happening here is delusional and/or cowardly and unwilling to see a reality that might require them to stand up and be counted to stop the thugs. Thinking that somehow we will prevail if only we can get the sniveling politicians to order law enforcement to do their job is wishful thinking in many parts of this nation, including the city of Chicago. They won't even condemn Antifa by name or use their resources to uncover and publicize the sources of Antifa funding. And those here advocating the abandonment of the field to the thugs should be thinking about how the lives of their children and grandchildren will be when the Far Left with its Antifa stormtroopers is in charge everywhere. You can bet that private gun ownership will be outlawed and brutally enforced. I was not hoping for some magical solution on this forum. But I was hoping that some here might have some access to organizational leadership of an entity that shares our values and concerns and just might help in getting that entity to serve as the organizing center of a counter effort to Antifa. I was not writing this just as idle philosophical speculation. Its obvious that few here share my degree of concern over this issue and that is regrettable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted July 9, 2019 at 03:56 PM Share Posted July 9, 2019 at 03:56 PM I believe there are far more people out there that have the same view as Vito. Most are concerned to say it because MSM will only label them as a Militia. And going against antifa will make you an extreme right wing militia regardless of the truth. Antifa should stand for Anti First Amendment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird76Mojo Posted July 9, 2019 at 03:58 PM Share Posted July 9, 2019 at 03:58 PM IllinoisCarry will NEVER want it's name associated with any such counter-antifa group.. That much I can promise you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RECarry Posted July 9, 2019 at 04:35 PM Share Posted July 9, 2019 at 04:35 PM Proposed name change: WannaBeFa, AggressorFa, or AntagonistFa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted July 9, 2019 at 04:59 PM Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 at 04:59 PM I believe there are far more people out there that have the same view as Vito. Most are concerned to say it because MSM will only label them as a Militia. And going against antifa will make you an extreme right wing militia regardless of the truth. Antifa should stand for Anti First Amendment. I'm not anxious to be labeled a far Right extremist, even if some of my relatives (including some of my own grown children) already think that of me merely because I am a member of the NRA and a strident opponent of gun control. But if the only choice I have is to be labeled as a Right Wing Extremist (even though I am Jewish) or passively standing by as the country goes down into the toilet, then the choice is clear. I don't know how many years I have left to be on this Earth and I am certainly not anxious to get to the end of my days, but I took an oath when I became an officer in the U.S. Army back in 1965 and I still am loyal to that oath. There are worse ways one can reach the end than in fighting for American liberty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomKoz Posted July 9, 2019 at 05:09 PM Share Posted July 9, 2019 at 05:09 PM ^^^ THIS ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domin8 Posted July 9, 2019 at 05:12 PM Share Posted July 9, 2019 at 05:12 PM Remember Charlottesville, VA? I almost went to that event since it's not too far away for me. I ended up following a guy on Facebook who organized the counter protest to Antifa being at Charlottesville. We first met each other on The Trace's Facebook page arguing against their articles and presenting the truth. Did white supremacy groups show up? Yes. That event was not about 2 forces meeting each other and clashing, like the media said. And, what resulted was tragic and disappointing. I have seen video where the guy in the car was attacked first, by Antifa. I believe his use of force was above and beyond the minimum necessary to get out of that situation. Now there's a biased reputation of that event. Governor "Blackface" Northam played a big role in letting things go to the extreme they did. He made police stand down, and then he labeled it as racist white supremacists initiating the conflict. Democrats support Antifa because Antifa members vote Democrat. For the record, the guy I was referencing earlier strongly opposes Antifa because of some violent incidents where Antifa attacked him and his friends, and got away with it. Police did nothing even though they were able to prove with video who did what. He is tracking individual members and doing everything he can to get them arrested, prosecuted, and sent to jail. Regarding the OP wanting an established organization to take point and lead the resistance to Antifa, looking at the NRA, GOA, etc. to take the reins is unrealistic. It's not that they'd be branded a racist organization. It's more basic than that. They are not established to do that. The infrastructure is not in place for that. To transition to that would require a major, and expensive, shift. If they did do that there'd be nobody to defend the 2nd Amendment. We're dealing with a bad nightmare. Even if a black man violently opposed Antifa he'd be branded a white supremacist. Are you willing to accept that title? If so, invest your own money into starting the foundation of what you want. Create an Anti-Antifa forum, begin training, follow Antifa's movements, and resist. In the meantime, I'll continue doing my thing -- attend Antifa events while being a grey man. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted July 9, 2019 at 05:18 PM Share Posted July 9, 2019 at 05:18 PM I believe there are far more people out there that have the same view as Vito. Most are concerned to say it because MSM will only label them as a Militia. And going against antifa will make you an extreme right wing militia regardless of the truth. Antifa should stand for Anti First Amendment. I'm not anxious to be labeled a far Right extremist, even if some of my relatives (including some of my own grown children) already think that of me merely because I am a member of the NRA and a strident opponent of gun control. But if the only choice I have is to be labeled as a Right Wing Extremist (even though I am Jewish) or passively standing by as the country goes down into the toilet, then the choice is clear. I don't know how many years I have left to be on this Earth and I am certainly not anxious to get to the end of my days, but I took an oath when I became an officer in the U.S. Army back in 1965 and I still am loyal to that oath. There are worse ways one can reach the end than in fighting for American liberty. I'd be right next to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted July 9, 2019 at 05:20 PM Share Posted July 9, 2019 at 05:20 PM I also don't see a group like being discussed to come out during an R POTUS. When Kamala gets the nod then more will become "woke" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domin8 Posted July 9, 2019 at 05:29 PM Share Posted July 9, 2019 at 05:29 PM I don't think it'll be Kamala Harris. I believe the Democrat frontrunner is going to be Biden. That's just as scary. Remember, following Sandy Hook he lead a meeting with only Gibb control groups to try to push an Anti-2A agenda as a response to Sandy Hook. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted July 9, 2019 at 05:49 PM Share Posted July 9, 2019 at 05:49 PM · Hidden by Molly B., July 9, 2019 at 05:55 PM - No reason given Hidden by Molly B., July 9, 2019 at 05:55 PM - No reason given Perhaps we can offer free “helicopter rides” to Antifa, if you know what I mean..... Link to comment
GWBH Posted July 9, 2019 at 09:34 PM Share Posted July 9, 2019 at 09:34 PM I believe there are far more people out there that have the same view as Vito. Most are concerned to say it because MSM will only label them as a Militia. And going against antifa will make you an extreme right wing militia regardless of the truth. Antifa should stand for Anti First Amendment. I'm not anxious to be labeled a far Right extremist, even if some of my relatives (including some of my own grown children) already think that of me merely because I am a member of the NRA and a strident opponent of gun control. But if the only choice I have is to be labeled as a Right Wing Extremist (even though I am Jewish) or passively standing by as the country goes down into the toilet, then the choice is clear. I don't know how many years I have left to be on this Earth and I am certainly not anxious to get to the end of my days, but I took an oath when I became an officer in the U.S. Army back in 1965 and I still am loyal to that oath. There are worse ways one can reach the end than in fighting for American liberty. I really don't care what someone labels me - If they think I care, they are completely wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWBH Posted July 9, 2019 at 09:37 PM Share Posted July 9, 2019 at 09:37 PM Also, they’re gettinf professional training cuz they look like idiots otherwise http://i.imgur.com/Bgeb3RI.jpgNow THAT is hilarious!!Antifa Spec Ops unit on standby. That one guy has an unlawful high capacity magazine in his "assault pisto-la"What the heck is that camo - thingy the dude with the bow has on??I'm really - really - really scared!! Are they standing out in public like that?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orwell Posted July 9, 2019 at 09:55 PM Share Posted July 9, 2019 at 09:55 PM · Hidden by Molly B., July 9, 2019 at 11:05 PM - No reason given Hidden by Molly B., July 9, 2019 at 11:05 PM - No reason given /sarcasmOh no, someone that politically disagrees with me, let's band together and disarm them! If the armed far left were "thugs" wouldn't that make them prohibited persons under gun control? You guys probably believe Mikey Bloomberg is a socialist not a capitalist, but believe you can make Bloomberg bucks by working extra hard to polish his boots with your tongues. Link to comment
BobPistol Posted July 10, 2019 at 12:12 AM Share Posted July 10, 2019 at 12:12 AM Didn't we have the Black Panthers come up armed to certain polling places to intimidate people from not voting? LWW terrorism....from KKK to Antifa. Here is the new boss, same as the old boss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orwell Posted July 10, 2019 at 12:21 AM Share Posted July 10, 2019 at 12:21 AM · Hidden by mauserme, July 11, 2019 at 03:56 AM - Originally hid by Lou 7/9/2019. Un-hid/Re-hid in order to quote it in the Report Center Hidden by mauserme, July 11, 2019 at 03:56 AM - Originally hid by Lou 7/9/2019. Un-hid/Re-hid in order to quote it in the Report Center Wierd, my post disappeared. Ministry of Truth? You guys are rediculous, time to turn off Fox News. Gettin those Bloombux to reinforce fashy gun grabbing from leftists? Does an armed army of soy scare everyone so you gotta cry to the NRA? Link to comment
Orwell Posted July 10, 2019 at 12:32 AM Share Posted July 10, 2019 at 12:32 AM The right doesn't believe in free speech, only their speech. Sorry, took me 3 posts to say that because the previous ones kept getting deleted.Just like the right doesn't care about the right to bear arms, they want gun control for everyone else but themselves. Really Modbros? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted July 10, 2019 at 12:41 AM Share Posted July 10, 2019 at 12:41 AM The right doesn't believe in free speech, only their speech. Sorry, took me 3 posts to say that because the previous ones kept getting deleted.Just like the right doesn't care about the right to bear arms, they want gun control for everyone else but themselves. Really Modbros?We have a code of conduct which you seem not to have read yet? It's in the support forum. Go take a look and see if that helps. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cls74 Posted July 10, 2019 at 12:42 AM Share Posted July 10, 2019 at 12:42 AM The right doesn't believe in free speech, only their speech. Sorry, took me 3 posts to say that because the previous ones kept getting deleted.Just like the right doesn't care about the right to bear arms, they want gun control for everyone else but themselves. Really Modbros?This post makes me suspect to your FOID to FOID question/thread, are you seeking info for use against gun rights in IL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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