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When I was in Vegas last week I heard some guys at a restaurant discussing the security changes for the show. All vendors must leave their samples with a third party who will break down and neuter the sample then bring it into the show area. That has a bunch of vendors put off. They don't want to bring prototype guns and release them to the third party. I guess a bunch of vendors aren'the even going as a result.

The show has changed from a manufacturer to dealer trade show into a big gun show. The manufacturer can more readily reach his dealers and gain press reviews these days by hosting their own event to showcase their wares without the competition at the next table. That creates a better experience for the people revising the samples, and can result in larger orders and better press.

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Well Ruger has released the PCC and the Security 9. Glock has released more Gen 5 models and the Gen X. The Tavor 7 is supposed to be there. Olight and Surefire is supposed ot have new lights coming out. I think CZ is supposed to be releasing two new models of the Scorpion.

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Its turned into a media circus.

 

These YouTubers who think they're SOOOOO important, just swarm the place. They all shoot these really crappy videos with horrible audio, you can barely hear what they're saying. They're poorly organized and don't really add anything and no YouTuber video is substantially different from any other YouTuber's video, they go to a booth and the sales person there goes through their rehearsed spiel, the next YouTuber shows up and they go through the same spiel.

 

I am interested in the Ruger carbine, I'd like to see how the Glock mag adapter does with the Korean 33 rd mags. Jeff Quinn did a review of it and I think he had 2 malfunction with the Glock mags and Blazzer ammo.

 

I'm also hoping Beretta releases the .32 ACP conversion for the Pico - not sure if that is going to happen

 

I'd like to see an auto-opening folding (out-the-side) knife that also has a thumb stud as a backup. There are only a few of those out there right now.

 

I'd also be interested in a bullpup 12 gauge, but I'm very disappointed in Standard Manufacturing. Lou Frutuoso brought out a non-working plastic model of a bullpup shotgun in January 2016 and said the real gun would be released in a few months. Then Standard Manufacturing gets involved in all sorts of other things like bringing a 1911 and an AR to market. I don't really see how their ARs or 1911s are any better than any other ARs or 1911s out there, but whatever, Then at ShotShow 2017 Lou does the same thing, he brings out the same plastic model of a bullpup shotgun and says the real deal will be released in a few months. A year goes by and they spend time creating the six-barrel S333 "Volley Fire" and no bullpup shotgun.

 

Its his business and he can do whatever he wants with his product line, but please don't go on camera on media day at ShotShow and bull**** me about vaporware you never really intend on creating.

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When I was in Vegas last week I heard some guys at a restaurant discussing the security changes for the show. All vendors must leave their samples with a third party who will break down and neuter the sample then bring it into the show area. That has a bunch of vendors put off. They don't want to bring prototype guns and release them to the third party. I guess a bunch of vendors aren'the even going as a result.

The show has changed from a manufacturer to dealer trade show into a big gun show. The manufacturer can more readily reach his dealers and gain press reviews these days by hosting their own event to showcase their wares without the competition at the next table. That creates a better experience for the people revising the samples, and can result in larger orders and better press.

There have been quite a few thefts at these industry shows the past couple years. Unfortunately it's usually NFA items that walk away due to their compact size.

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OK, that has me interested. I've always wanted an MP5, but refuse to spend H&K money for a neutered version of the real thing. And I'm not a huge fan of supporting the Turkish firearms industry right now. But I'd pay PSA prices. And if the MP5 becomes the pistol caliber carbine version of the AK that would be awesome.
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No thanks. I want the pistol to slap a brace on or to SBR! This has nothing to do with practicality and everything to do with fulfilling a childhood dream. Otherwise I'd probably be looking at the Scorpion carbine or even the Ruger you mentioned. I'm curious how the PTR MP5 clone is coming along. I am happy with my PTR 91 and would absolutely buy one (or two) if they were the same price as my GIR. I thought that I read somewhere that they said to watch out for SHOT 2018. It could be an expensive year...
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No thanks. I want the pistol to slap a brace on or to SBR! This has nothing to do with practicality and everything to do with fulfilling a childhood dream. Otherwise I'd probably be looking at the Scorpion carbine or even the Ruger you mentioned. I'm curious how the PTR MP5 clone is coming along. I am happy with my PTR 91 and would absolutely buy one (or two) if they were the same price as my GIR. I thought that I read somewhere that they said to watch out for SHOT 2018. It could be an expensive year...

A PTR MP5 too???

 

https://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2018/01/11/ptr-industries-inc-plans-unveil-big-secret-upcoming-shot-week/

 

..."PTR Industries Inc. Plans to Unveil Big Secret During Upcoming SHOT Week

 

OutdoorHub Reporters

 

If you go over to PTR Industries website, youll be faced with a page that should give you a giddy little feeling in the pit of your stomach. It looks like PTR is keeping a big secret under their hats leading up to SHOT Show . . .

 

You know what it means when a company does this to their website; something new is the pipeline, and were super curious to find out what PTR Industries has to reveal to everybody.

 

If we had to give our best guess, we think this could be the reveal of a new MP5, but the firearm company has its sights set to unveil the secret during SHOT Show. Well keep our noses to the ground for any inside details that come out between now and then, but make sure youre following along during SHOT week to get the scoop."...

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PSA CIO

Release at SHOT.

$800-$1k target price point. Available EOY 2018/1Q 2019https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/PSA-MP5-Clones-Could-800-00-MP5-s-be-a-thing-/9-485351/?page=4#i4898626

But I was supposed to be done buying toys...now this. This is going to end up costing me $2k because it will mean I need a new safe.
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Seems like this is the year of the Remington 700 platform.

http://www.seekinsprecision.com/parts-and-accessories/bolt-rifle-parts/ai-tactical-dbm.htmlbox mag adapter from Seekins

 

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/01/15/remington-model-700-pcr/inexpensive precision rifle factory from Remington

 

And an overpriced chassis from magpul

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/01/18/magpul-pro-700-precision-rifle-chassis/

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Crosman DPMS full auto looks like cheap fun to be had in the back yard.

 

PSA will stir up some doodoo with a MP5 clone. Under a G, sign me up.

 

That's the first I heard of the full-auto Crosman, so I had to Google it. It looks like they're available for pre-order now at Pyramid Air and now I want one!

https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Crosman_DPMS_SBR_Full_Auto_BB_Air_Rifle/4571

 

That's probably a more realistic purchase for me than any of the MP5 clones right now. As those prices come down it would be hard to justify a Ruger carbine if an MP5 clone is in the same price range.

 

I'm really curious about what voodoo Franklin Armory has done to make that firearm legal, lots of interesting theories that almost all involve some kind of compromised performance. In any event, kudos to them for poking another stick in the eye of the NFA.

 

I really want to know more about Walther's PPQ SC (subcompact). There have been a few leaks about it, but in light of the buzz around the Sig P365 they are losing out on a lot of potential buzz of their own by keeping so quiet.

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I really want to know more about Walther's PPQ SC (subcompact). There have been a few leaks about it, but in light of the buzz around the Sig P365 they are losing out on a lot of potential buzz of their own by keeping so quiet.

Curious about this as well. My P99C compact uses the same 15 round mags (with spacer) as the PPQ, so I see where they are going. But assuming that's the case they won't be able to shrink the width anywhere near the PPS or the Sig P365.

 

Maybe they are waiting for all the Sig bugs to hit the P365 in the gun press, then release there's.

 

Glock, M&p, Walther, and others have offered double stack compacts for a while. Why they aren't more popular I have no idea.

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