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#1 Lou

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 07:09 PM

To all CMP constituents:

The CMP Board of Directors has discussed at length how the sales of 1911s would be handled, if the CMP were to ever receive them from the United States Army.

Some preliminary decisions:

Decisions concerning the grade and pricing of the 1911s will not be made until inspection has occurred of a substantial quantity which will take an estimated 150 days post receipt.
All laws pertaining to the sale of 1911s by CMP will be strictly obeyed.
Potential purchasers will have to provide to CMP a new set of documents exhibiting:

1) proof of U.S. Citizenship,
2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club,
3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity,
4) a new form 2A with notary,
5) successful completion of a NICS background check,
6) a signed copy of the 01 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to.
The CMP customer will be required to complete a form 4473 in person and successfully complete another NICS check by the recipient FFL holder before the pistol can be transferred.

Qualified CMP customer will only be allowed to purchase one 1911 per calendar year.
No 1911s available in the CMP stores, or on line, only mail order sales.

CMP will set the date in which it will accept orders for the 1911s. The date will be posted to the world.
Orders will only be accepted via mail order delivery.
Orders will only be accepted post marked on the date or after, no early orders.
Once CMP receives 10,000 orders, customer names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator.
The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequence order through a random picking process to CMP.
Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator.
When the customer is contacted a list of 1911 grades and pricing options that are available will be offered for selection of one.
As CMP proceeds down the sequenced list less grade and pricing options will be available. Again, this done completely random.

Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer
Civilian Marksmanship Program
www.thecmp.org

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 09:05 PM

Thanks for posting... Was just looking for the old topics I was following on this. Was going to post the info to them.



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Posted 05 December 2017 - 06:11 AM

I wish that they would find a stash of 03A3 that they would start selling

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 09:20 AM

I guess I'm one of the people that isn't overly excited by CMP selling those 1911's.  

 

Everyone I know who was either issued one, or had access to the armory and had their hands on a bunch of them, all said the same thing.....that most of them are in horrible condition.  

 

Rest assured that the really nice ones will be on the CMP's auction site.  


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 09:53 AM

No mention of price, implying "too expensive".

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 06:06 PM

CMP issued a clarification today. Now you have to clear two NICS checks.
(Sigh).

They should be C&R eligible but nope -not to be.


CMP 1911 Information
To all CMP constituents:

The CMP Board of Directors has discussed at length how the sales of 1911s would be handled, if the CMP were to ever receive them from the United States Army.

Some preliminary decisions further clarified:
Decisions concerning the grade and pricing of the 1911s will not be made until inspection has occurred of a substantial quantity which will take an estimated 150 days post receipt.
All laws pertaining to the sale of 1911s by CMP will be strictly obeyed.
Potential purchasers will have to provide to CMP a new set of documents exhibiting:
1) proof of U.S. Citizenship,
2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club,
3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity,
4) a new form 2A with notary,
5) a signed copy of the 01 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to.

A NICS background check will be performed by CMP on the customer to assure the customer is eligible to purchase prior to shipment to the FFL licensed dealer. The customer must receive a "proceed" from NICS prior to shipment of the pistol to the FFL licensed dealer.

The CMP customer will be required to complete a form 4473 in person at the FFL dealers place of business, successfully passing a NICS check performed by the FFL holder, before the pistol can be transferred. This is a second NICS check performed on the customer.

Qualified CMP customer will only be allowed to purchase one 1911 per calendar year.
No 1911s available in the CMP stores, or on line, only mail order sales.
CMP will set the date in which it will accept orders for the 1911s. The date will be posted to the world.
Orders will only be accepted via mail order delivery.
Orders will only be accepted post marked on the date or after, no early orders.
Once CMP receives 10,000 orders, customer names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator.
The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequence order through a random picking process to CMP.
Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator.
When the customer is contacted a list of 1911 grades and pricing options that are available will be offered for selection of one.
As CMP proceeds down the sequenced list less grade and pricing options will be available. Again, this done completely random.

Note: 1911 type pistols purchased from CMP cannot be transferred to 03 FFL (curio and relic) license. BATF and the United States Army prefer the second background check be performed by a "store front" FFL dealer. Each customer purchasing a 1911 type pistol from CMP will be subjected to two NICS background checks, one performed by CMP and the other performed by the FFL dealer the pistol is being shipped to.


Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer
Civilian Marksmanship Program
www.thecmp.org

People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. -  George Orwell

A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll probably never need one again. 


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Posted 06 December 2017 - 07:50 AM

Dealers require that you have a FOID in Illinois before they'll let you handle any firearm. Maybe there should be a NICS check before you can look at any firearms on the CMP web page.

 

Edited to add: Where do I click to tell them to stuff it?


Edited by raymond963, 06 December 2017 - 07:51 AM.


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Posted 06 December 2017 - 08:58 AM

What are they looking for to satisfy the proof of being involved in a marksmanship activity?
I take classes? I don't compete though. Will class certificates count?

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 10:56 AM

What are they looking for to satisfy the proof of being involved in a marksmanship activity?
I take classes? I don't compete though. Will class certificates count?


Pic of your ccl counts.

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If Democrats quit shooting people, "gun violence" would go down by 80%.......

 

Taxation is theft

 

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 04:57 PM

What are they looking for to satisfy the proof of being involved in a marksmanship activity?
I take classes? I don't compete though. Will class certificates count?

For rifle sales

http://thecmp.org/cm...y-requirements/


MARKSMANSHIP OR OTHER FIREARMS RELATED ACTIVITY:

You must provide proof of participation in a marksmanship related activity or otherwise show familiarity with the safe handling of firearms and range procedures. Your marksmanship related activity does not have to be with highpower rifles; it can be with smallbore rifles, pistols, air guns or shotguns. Proof of marksmanship participation can be provided by documenting any of the following:

.Current or past military service.
.Current or past law enforcement service
.Participation in a rifle, pistol, air gun or shotgun competition (provide copy of results bulletin).
.Completion of a marksmanship clinic that included live fire training (provide a copy of the certificate of completion or a statement from the instructor). Visit https://ct.thecmp.or...tch&task=search to find an upcoming CMP sanctioned clinic or match.
.Distinguished, Instructor, or Coach status.
.Concealed Carry License.
.Firearms Owner Identification Cards that included live fire training. - FFL or C&R license.
.Completion of a Hunter Safety Course that included live fire training.
.Certification from range or club official or law enforcement officer witnessing shooting activity. Complete the CMP Marksmanship Form to certify your range firing and the required marksmanship related activity for an individual to purchase from the CMP.
.No proof of marksmanship required if over age 60.

Proof of club membership and citizenship required for all ages.

NOTE: Proof of marksmanship activity is not required for purchase of ammunition, parts, publications or memorabilia.

Edited by InterestedBystander, 06 December 2017 - 05:55 PM.

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 05:04 PM

No mention of price, implying "too expensive".
;)

I saw a quote from one of the CMP higher ups early Monday that said we could figure on ~$1k and higher based on grading.
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Posted 06 December 2017 - 05:28 PM

I would love to have one But not at that price point

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 05:45 PM

 

No mention of price, implying "too expensive".
;)

I saw a quote from one of the CMP higher ups early Monday that said we could figure on ~$1k and higher based on grading.

 

 

I think they're greatly misjudging how many people are interested in old, beat up 1911s.

 

They should be working on outreach, instead of setting up roadblocks.

 

That's just my .02.

 

More power to them, but I have 0 interest at anywhere near that price point with all of the hoops they want us to jump through.



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Posted 06 December 2017 - 05:54 PM

No mention of price, implying "too expensive".
;)

I saw a quote from one of the CMP higher ups early Monday that said we could figure on ~$1k and higher based on grading.
A few months ago when this came up, estimates were in the $1100 range so it sounds like it hasnt changed much.
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Posted 06 December 2017 - 06:14 PM

$1000?!

 

Who do they think they are?!  Les Baer?!?!

 

They certainly aren't following the spirit in which the program was started!!



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Posted 06 December 2017 - 08:52 PM

I wonder if a Kimber will run better than a beat up 50 year old army frankengun?

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 09:28 PM

I wonder if a Kimber will run better than a beat up 50 year old army frankengun?


A sub $400 RIA probably will. Entry-level 1911's are (generally speaking) not the crapshoot they were 15 years ago...

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 09:52 PM

If C&R intelligible is it possible they are letting later models go, like from the 1970s and 80s?

If these have been in service, some for almost 100 years it seems like they are for collecting, not shooting. Which kind of defeats the purpose of the Civilian Marksman program.

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Posted 29 January 2018 - 07:29 PM

The latest.
Status of the CMP 1911s, 1/29/2018:

The CMP has been authorized to receive 8,000 1911 type pistols from the United States Army.

The 1911s have been received by the CMP. A complete inventory will be conducted over the course of this week. The pistols will then be securely stored until the Army-approved 1911 building and armory infrastructure is completed. That completion is anticipated to be approximately 60 days from now. Once the 1911 armory is completed, inspection, grading, repair, and ultimately test firing of the pistols will begin. (Please be aware that the CMP was led to believe that we were ready to move forward, but three weeks ago facility requirements were changed, and we are now fulfilling those requirements.)

The CMP 1911 order packet will be posted 90 days prior to the order acceptance date and opening sales date. No orders will be accepted prior to that date. Please visit www.thecmp.org, click on the Sales icon then 1911 Information, for the latest. CMP customer service has been inundated with calls and emails concerning the 1911s and no further information is available at this time.

The CMP will keep everyone posted as we move through this process.


Mark Johnson
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Civilian Marksmanship Program
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Posted 30 January 2018 - 07:55 AM

So I'm guessing going to be 6-12 months before they go on sale and we're probably looking at a minimum of $1000 with anything interesting/rare/particularly great condition being put up for auction for the most money. I've been lazy about getting a Garand but I suppose I should get my act together if I want to get one of these 1911's. I guess the question is do I actually want one? Idunno.


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Posted 30 January 2018 - 07:35 PM

So I'm guessing going to be 6-12 months before they go on sale and we're probably looking at a minimum of $1000 with anything interesting/rare/particularly great condition being put up for auction for the most money. I've been lazy about getting a Garand but I suppose I should get my act together if I want to get one of these 1911's. I guess the question is do I actually want one? Idunno.


In one email they stated that they were expecting to price them in the $1k neighborhood.
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Posted 31 January 2018 - 07:20 AM

 

So I'm guessing going to be 6-12 months before they go on sale and we're probably looking at a minimum of $1000 with anything interesting/rare/particularly great condition being put up for auction for the most money. I've been lazy about getting a Garand but I suppose I should get my act together if I want to get one of these 1911's. I guess the question is do I actually want one? Idunno.


In one email they stated that they were expecting to price them in the $1k neighborhood.

 

 

Ok so I wasn't wrong. At least a grand. Still not sure if I want in. Next 1911 I buy is probably going to be the M45A1 at this point.


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Posted 18 August 2018 - 02:21 AM

American Rifleman just did an episode on the 1911's coming out of CMP. It was just shown on August 15. They explain how many guns are  coming in 8k and total 100k. I cant find the epsiode, if somebody else can find and post that would be cool. They will are getting the A grade and selling these first. There reason, they dont know how long the program will be in exsistance and will use the money for there programs. Packets went out June 4 and will be accepted on September 4th. The ones they showed have been reconditioned and reparkerized. Thats it for now...



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Posted 18 August 2018 - 05:52 AM

https://www.american...e-inside-story/

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 08:08 AM

I should have stated it was on sportsman channel. But the article is pretty much the same. Thanks for the link.

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 08:31 AM

I should have stated it was on sportsman channel. But the article is pretty much the same. Thanks for the link.

Looks to have aired Wed/Thu this past week

http://outdoorchanne...can-rifleman-tv
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https://www.american...stra-model-300/

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Posted 19 October 2018 - 10:45 PM

Well, the time to submit an application closed on October 4. Word has it that CMP has 17,000+ applications for only 8,000 guns that are currently available, although more might be released next year. This would suggest that the accusation that CMP is selling them above fair market value is probably not valid.

 

This year's crop features some 1911a and 1911A1s that were in a museum, which means that they may be rare but not necessarily in good shooting condition. They will probably be auctioned. The remainder are 1911A1 mixmasters (such as an Ithaca slide on a Colt frame) which were rearsenaled and Parkerized with the original intent that they be available to issue to the troops. They should be decent shooters and just as accurate (or inaccurate) as any other non-customized government 1911.

 

I have been into C&R guns for a long time now, and I never envisioned that it would be during the Obama administration that the government would authorize surplus evil military pistols to be sold to private citizens--even with red tape and restrictions.






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