Molly B. Posted July 5, 2018 at 03:04 PM Share Posted July 5, 2018 at 03:04 PM On Monday, Mr. B and I met with ISP Firearm Services Bureau Chief Jessica Trame, the FSB chief legal counsel, and the ISP legislative liaison to discuss issues about the FOID/CCL appeal processes and the ongoing problem of not being able to reach anyone in the bureau by phone. We were warmly received and they made sure we had ample time to discuss all our issues. they readily acknowledged there are problems with not being able to reach someone by phone and there are problems with some FOID/CCL appeals taking a long time to be resolved. It was a very informative, very helpful meeting. I learned some very good info that will help when advising people on submitting FOID/CCL appeals. I have a better understanding of the issues from the FSB perspective as well. Three major issues they are dealing with is a flawed and antiquated phone system, the FOID system is still all paper except for applications and renewals, staffing is a problem: There are plans to upgrade to VOIP phone system but as with anything in government, a timeline is unknown. Apris is working on building a FOID software program which would incorporate appeals and integrate with the CCL software. A program designed for a small number of concealed carry license holders, expanded to include more than 2 million FOID holders, is a challenge. Progress is slow going because Apris was bought out by another company and the team assigned to FSB ended, new team now coming up to speed . . . Staffing problems - the government hiring process is very laborious and drawn out, by the time all the red tape is cleared a lot of folks have already gotten jobs elsewhere. Once hired, there is extensive training, mandated overtime, and the wages are not very competitive so turnover is high. I mentioned someone to answer the phone and just take messages, even if they can't answer questions, would be helpful. On Tuesday, we met with Gov. Rauner and his advisors. Again, we were warmly received and provided an extended amount of time to discuss all the issues we have with the FSB and also to talk about the dealer licensing, 72 hr. waiting period, and Firearm Restraining Order bills. The Gov. tasked his Chief of Staff to follow up on problems at the FSB. I believe they will be resolved, mostly to our satisfaction. On the legislation, they were open to dialogue, listened to our position, made note of our suggestions, and the discussion continues. Even today we have exchanged several emails. We are very fortunate to have a Governor who will take the time to sit down with us, hear us out, take note of our concerns. In administrations past, we couldn't even get inside the glass doors to the outer office. Gov. Rauner is all that stands between us and a new administration that would strip us of all our rights in the blink of an eye. We appreciate the Governor's willingness to at least discuss these important issues with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kk5 Posted July 5, 2018 at 03:10 PM Share Posted July 5, 2018 at 03:10 PM Thank You Valinda. We appreciate all that you and Mr R do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted July 5, 2018 at 03:13 PM Share Posted July 5, 2018 at 03:13 PM · Hidden by Molly B., December 12, 2018 at 04:22 PM - No reason given Hidden by Molly B., December 12, 2018 at 04:22 PM - No reason given Very good to hear! Link to comment
Craigcelia Posted July 5, 2018 at 03:40 PM Share Posted July 5, 2018 at 03:40 PM Thanks Valinda and Mike. You both are truly the workhorses behind our movement. It's good to hear progress you have made for the cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chancemccall Posted July 5, 2018 at 03:49 PM Share Posted July 5, 2018 at 03:49 PM Thank you for your efforts and time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmyers Posted July 5, 2018 at 03:58 PM Share Posted July 5, 2018 at 03:58 PM Nice to hear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa Posted July 5, 2018 at 04:15 PM Share Posted July 5, 2018 at 04:15 PM My thanks to you Mr and Ms B. All gun owners in this state owe you for all you guys do. Great picture also . Pssst .... tell Mr B to smile more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windermere Posted July 5, 2018 at 04:26 PM Share Posted July 5, 2018 at 04:26 PM Thank you guys for being a voice for us. There’s lots of gun owners in Illinois that don’t even know about the efforts you make and milestones reached in support of our 2A rights; in a landscape that is not friendly to us politically, your work is appreciated. Keep up the great work and we are all here to support you guys!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted July 5, 2018 at 04:27 PM Share Posted July 5, 2018 at 04:27 PM We are very fortunate to have a Governor who will take the time to sit down with us, hear us out, take note of our concerns. In administrations past, we couldn't even get inside the glass doors to the outer office. Gov. Rauner is all that stands between us and a new administration that would strip us of all our rights in the blink of an eye. Thanks Val and Mike for all your good work and the information. I did not vote for the governor in the primary, but will certainly vote for him in the fall. What ever issues I may have will him are much worse in Pritsker.Even if others here think that the governor has no chance to beat him, we should vote for Rauner anyway. No voting will ensure a Pritsker victory. Voting third party will dilute the Rauner vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedbump Posted July 5, 2018 at 04:33 PM Share Posted July 5, 2018 at 04:33 PM Good work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted July 5, 2018 at 05:16 PM Share Posted July 5, 2018 at 05:16 PM Can you recommend to the Governor to start his campaigning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scipio24 Posted July 5, 2018 at 05:21 PM Share Posted July 5, 2018 at 05:21 PM Thank you for that update and all that you do for our 2A rights in this state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsanc Posted July 5, 2018 at 06:02 PM Share Posted July 5, 2018 at 06:02 PM Thanks for your hard work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted July 5, 2018 at 06:13 PM Share Posted July 5, 2018 at 06:13 PM Can you recommend to the Governor to start his campaigning? I've seen more TV spots with Blagojevich/Pritzker phone tap excerpts lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted July 5, 2018 at 06:32 PM Share Posted July 5, 2018 at 06:32 PM Progress is slow going because Apris was bought out by another company and the team assigned to FSB ended, new team now coming up to speed . . . We appreciate the Governor's willingness to at least discuss these important issues with us. Hopefully we will have another 4 years of meeting with Governor Rauner. I looked but could find no recent references to Appriss being purchased by another company. There were several reports of closing one office in Louisville and moving all the KY employees to a single brand new building in mid 2018. They do have capital venture funding with one report from 2015 of a VC buying a majority stake. In theory one should be able to replace an entire application support/development team without many problems but I dont think I've every seen that really happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwing Posted July 5, 2018 at 06:54 PM Share Posted July 5, 2018 at 06:54 PM in mid 2018. They do have capital venture funding with one report from 2015 of a VC buying a majority. In theory one should be able to replace an entire application support/development team without many problems but I dont think I've every seen that really happen. I've been in software development my entire career. The next time I see replacing an entire application support team go smoothly and without major issues will be the first. It can be done of course, but takes time and a steep learning curve. Thanks Molly for the updates! It's good to see Rauner's support and also ISP's recognition of our concerns. There is never a quick fix, but acknowledgment and willingness to investigate improvements is a great step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowhouse5 Posted July 5, 2018 at 07:02 PM Share Posted July 5, 2018 at 07:02 PM Thank you so much for this. It should underline how important it is to keep up the support for Rauner no matter how you may feel about him and other issues. He has demonstrated that he is a supporter of our 2nd Amendment rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted July 5, 2018 at 07:25 PM Share Posted July 5, 2018 at 07:25 PM · Hidden by Molly B., December 12, 2018 at 04:22 PM - No reason given Hidden by Molly B., December 12, 2018 at 04:22 PM - No reason given Thank you so much for this. It should underline how important it is to keep up the support for Rauner no matter how you may feel about him and other issues. He has demonstrated that he is a supporter of our 2nd Amendment rights.+1. Link to comment
spec5 Posted July 5, 2018 at 07:31 PM Share Posted July 5, 2018 at 07:31 PM Molly B and Mr B just saying thanks does not seem to be enough. Mauser you are included too. I just can not say enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukemason Posted July 5, 2018 at 08:09 PM Share Posted July 5, 2018 at 08:09 PM Thanks Molly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamma Posted July 5, 2018 at 08:29 PM Share Posted July 5, 2018 at 08:29 PM Thank you for what you do. Reading her depositions in some of the litigation told me all I need to know about Ms Trame. I couldn't trust anything that she said. AFAIC, she needs to be fired and replaced with someone with an appropriate sense of duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted July 5, 2018 at 08:49 PM Share Posted July 5, 2018 at 08:49 PM · Hidden by Molly B., December 12, 2018 at 04:20 PM - No reason given Hidden by Molly B., December 12, 2018 at 04:20 PM - No reason given Molly B and Mr B just saying thanks does not seem to be enough. Mauser you are included too. I just can not say enough.Another +1 Link to comment
InTheAir Posted July 5, 2018 at 11:14 PM Share Posted July 5, 2018 at 11:14 PM Molly B and Mr B just saying thanks does not seem to be enough. Mauser you are included too. I just can not say enough.Another +1Me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Illiniwek Posted July 6, 2018 at 02:42 AM Share Posted July 6, 2018 at 02:42 AM Can't say it enough...thanks Valinda and to everyone working behind the scenes on behalf of our 2A rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmHand357 Posted July 6, 2018 at 05:45 AM Share Posted July 6, 2018 at 05:45 AM +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmcc Posted July 6, 2018 at 05:54 AM Share Posted July 6, 2018 at 05:54 AM Wow they are slow. Asterisk is easy to setup, even easier FreePBX. The state's IT should be able to install, setup, and maintain this for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted July 6, 2018 at 06:35 AM Share Posted July 6, 2018 at 06:35 AM Wow they are slow. Asterisk is easy to setup, even easier FreePBX.The state's IT should be able to install, setup, and maintain this for them.Not sure how much of an IT staff they actually have vs outsourcing like Appriss for the ISPFSB site and FOID/CCL processing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted July 6, 2018 at 06:37 AM Share Posted July 6, 2018 at 06:37 AM Wow they are slow. Asterisk is easy to setup, even easier FreePBX. The state's IT should be able to install, setup, and maintain this for them. A large government organization wants a system with a support contract in perpetuity, so the boxes pretty much have to come with the Cisco name on them. The state's IT is probably a bunch of aging COBOL programmers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solareclipse2 Posted July 6, 2018 at 12:29 PM Share Posted July 6, 2018 at 12:29 PM You should pitch repealing the FOID law as a cost saving measure; no need for a new phone system, can cut staffing/salary, no need for new computers, etc. I'm sure he'll buy that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted July 6, 2018 at 12:59 PM Share Posted July 6, 2018 at 12:59 PM Thank you, Molly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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