InterestedBystander Posted October 4, 2017 at 09:01 PM Share Posted October 4, 2017 at 09:01 PM full story at link... https://chicago.suntimes.com/opinion/editorial-thoughts-and-prayers-just-a-cop-out-stand-up-to-the-nra/ ..."Instead, we would ask the congressmen to finally take even the smallest steps toward common-sense gun laws that would not violate anybodys intellectually honest defense of the Second Amendment. What would be so radical, for example, even for a Second Amendment Republican, in going after weapons of mass murder now the way we went after weapons of Al Capone-style slaughter? We support and every congressman named here should support a call to regulate all military-style firearms, including semi-automatics, with a law similar to the successful 1934 National Firearms Act."... ...snip... ..."If we had it our way, Congress would simply revive the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004, tighten regulation on large-capacity magazines that minimize the need to reload, and outlaw kits like the bump stock the killer used in Las Vegas that make it easy to convert a semiautomatic weapon into an automatic weapon. But lets start small. Lets see if our fearful Republican congressmen can wean themselves from the NRA even mildly. Lets revive a modest regulation that proved effective in the 1930s. Locally, we strongly favor a bill coming up for a vote in the Illinois Legislature to require state licensing of gun shops. Federal oversight of gun shops is lazy and limited, but the state cant do much about that now, even in cases where a dealer is careless about letting guns get into criminals hands. The law would add surveillance requirements that would make it easier to catch gun thieves and to stop straw purchasers people who legally buy large numbers of guns and then sell them to criminals."... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevis Posted October 4, 2017 at 09:05 PM Share Posted October 4, 2017 at 09:05 PM The one missing part of this formula, what would this have done to stop this guy in Vegas? Without a bump stock, it's only slightly slower. This is just another person who doesn't want to say, "TAKE EM ALL," yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted October 4, 2017 at 09:39 PM Share Posted October 4, 2017 at 09:39 PM The one missing part of this formula, what would this have done to stop this guy in Vegas? Without a bump stock, it's only slightly slower. This is just another person who doesn't want to say, "TAKE EM ALL," yet... Exactly right. We need to keep asking the question...how would whatever proposal you've made have stopped this guy. Or any other mass shooter for that matter! Columbine. Sandy Hook. Fort Hood. Chattanooga. Charleston. San Bernardino. Colorado. Pulse. Take your pick! Force them to show you a law that would have prevented ANY mass shooting. They can't. I've been shutting down arguments all over the internet with this question. Don't stop asking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted October 4, 2017 at 10:05 PM Share Posted October 4, 2017 at 10:05 PM At the same time they blame the weak laws of surrounding states for easy access to firearms so more laws in Illinois will do what then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted October 4, 2017 at 10:16 PM Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 at 10:16 PM At the same time they blame the weak laws of surrounding states for easy access to firearms so more laws in Illinois will do what then? ugh...last night they were talking about IL not the problem but just going to IN or WI and buy a gun...really? How does that work again? (and they werent talking shotguns and rifles) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tip Posted October 4, 2017 at 10:25 PM Share Posted October 4, 2017 at 10:25 PM Point out that murder was/is against the law in every state, it is also against the law to shoot anyone except, perhaps, in clear cases of self defense, in every state in the union. In almost every major metropolitan area it is against the law to even discharge a firearm. Then ask the simple questions: WHY didn't these work in Las Vegas? WHY did they not stop what happened? When they don't answer, ask them again, and again. Eventually they'll have to admit that making laws cannot prevent anything. They (laws) can proscribe punishments for not obeying them but they cannot prevent anything. Murder IS already illegal, and, in most cases, aggravated murder is subject to the death penalty. If that did not stop Las Vegas why do they think "doing something" and making yet another law will. I read somewhere that there is something like 5 million owners of AR platform guns in the US. When the LV shooting occurred 4,999,999 owners didn't shoot anyone...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted October 4, 2017 at 10:49 PM Share Posted October 4, 2017 at 10:49 PM I read somewhere that there is something like 5 million owners of AR platform guns in the US. When the LV shooting occurred 4,999,999 owners didn't shoot anyone...... I'd say that's a pretty low estimate. The NSSF estimate from last year is 5 to 10 million. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teufel Hunden Posted October 4, 2017 at 11:02 PM Share Posted October 4, 2017 at 11:02 PM Making these points again: Cars kill more people in the US than guns do every year, by a wide margin. You are 10 times now likely to be killed by your doctor's mistake than by a gun. I've seen no politicians calling for bans of automobiles, doctors, cigarettes or alcohol. Anyone calling for the ban of guns but not saying anything about those other things is not primarily motivated by saving lives. There are things you can do that will save many more lives than banning guns would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quackersmacker Posted October 4, 2017 at 11:24 PM Share Posted October 4, 2017 at 11:24 PM The one missing part of this formula, what would this have done to stop this guy in Vegas? Without a bump stock, it's only slightly slower. This is just another person who doesn't want to say, "TAKE EM ALL," yet... Exactly right. We need to keep asking the question...how would whatever proposal you've made have stopped this guy. Or any other mass shooter for that matter! Columbine. Sandy Hook. Fort Hood. Chattanooga. Charleston. San Bernardino. Colorado. Pulse. Take your pick! Force them to show you a law that would have prevented ANY mass shooting. They can't. I've been shutting down arguments all over the internet with this question. Don't stop asking it. Super Bingo, Winner Winner Chicken Dinner! .....................and "+1" for you millennials who don't even know what that means! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted October 4, 2017 at 11:27 PM Share Posted October 4, 2017 at 11:27 PM We'll have to weather this storm of anti-Second Amendment idiocy and do our best to rebut the facile arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted October 5, 2017 at 12:15 AM Share Posted October 5, 2017 at 12:15 AM Making these points again: Cars kill more people in the US than guns do every year, by a wide margin. You are 10 times now likely to be killed by your doctor's mistake than by a gun. I've seen no politicians calling for bans of automobiles, doctors, cigarettes or alcohol. Anyone calling for the ban of guns but not saying anything about those other things is not primarily motivated by saving lives. There are things you can do that will save many more lives than banning guns would. Abortion kills 1.4 million a year and is the #1 cause of death. But we'll never ban that! So the left don't care about saving lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallbore Posted October 5, 2017 at 02:59 AM Share Posted October 5, 2017 at 02:59 AM I believe these people think a law can uninvent an idea, a concept, a design or thousands of items already in existant. They are power mad. They want to control ever aspect of our lives. After all they know what's best for us. We are just peasants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Millennial Posted October 5, 2017 at 03:00 AM Share Posted October 5, 2017 at 03:00 AM Super Bingo, Winner Winner Chicken Dinner! .....................and "+1" for you millennials who don't even know what that means! This millennial knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quackersmacker Posted October 5, 2017 at 03:02 AM Share Posted October 5, 2017 at 03:02 AM Point out that murder was/is against the law in every state, it is also against the law to shoot anyone except, perhaps, in clear cases of self defense, in every state in the union. In almost every major metropolitan area it is against the law to even discharge a firearm. Then ask the simple questions: WHY didn't these work in Las Vegas? WHY did they not stop what happened? When they don't answer, ask them again, and again. Eventually they'll have to admit that making laws cannot prevent anything. They (laws) can proscribe punishments for not obeying them but they cannot prevent anything. Murder IS already illegal, and, in most cases, aggravated murder is subject to the death penalty. If that did not stop Las Vegas why do they think "doing something" and making yet another law will. I read somewhere that there is something like 5 million owners of AR platform guns in the US. When the LV shooting occurred 4,999,999 owners didn't shoot anyone......Yeah, and Glock guy, its actually about 10-12 million by what I believe are the best estimates. So yeah, to your point, Tip, let's pass a law, let's DO something! It will solve all the issues! Pass more laws! The Criminals will obey them this time! Super Bingo, Winner Winner Chicken Dinner! .....................and "+1" for you millennials who don't even know what that means! This millennial knows...Outstanding! Please keep posting here!Ohhhh my, are we being dumbed down or what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quackersmacker Posted October 5, 2017 at 03:07 AM Share Posted October 5, 2017 at 03:07 AM Wow, I was just responding to what you said, Patriot, and I was also answering something else earlier, but it all got tagged on you. So the comment Ohhhh my, are we being dumbed down or what. was NOT meant for you. It was just a general observation of where we're all at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter Posted October 5, 2017 at 05:30 AM Share Posted October 5, 2017 at 05:30 AM Not to go toooo far off this topic, but I saw this today in the paper at my work, it was also in the fun timeshttps://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/steinberg-before-we-can-hope-for-gun-control-we-need-empathy/Maybe he author is still uoset at not being able to purchase an AR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTX63 Posted October 5, 2017 at 08:24 AM Share Posted October 5, 2017 at 08:24 AM The typical rhetoric recently has boiled down to a handful of themes: It isn't about laws to prevent mass murder, it is about access to guns.It isn't about your personal right to self defense, it is about the greater good.The constitution has to be amended- you are a child and the NRA is a drug dealer. Unlike the circular system of checks and balances thru the branches of government ( and elections) the liberally preferred system is one of a vertical post where there is always someone above you that knows better and each person above the other on that post can see and here less of you. The live and let live types are the ones most affected by regulation since pressuring government goes against their nature. No matter what someone tries to say to convince you they are like minded, if the phrase " but nobody needs that many guns..." is ever used, they are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted October 5, 2017 at 11:28 AM Share Posted October 5, 2017 at 11:28 AM Aimed fire could easily made the death toll much higher, the total injured would have been much less. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illinois Sucks Posted October 5, 2017 at 11:31 AM Share Posted October 5, 2017 at 11:31 AM Legalize suppressor which reduce recoil making bump firing a gun more difficult!!! That's a law I can get behind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted October 5, 2017 at 11:35 AM Share Posted October 5, 2017 at 11:35 AM The typical rhetoric recently has boiled down to a handful of themes: It isn't about laws to prevent mass murder, it is about access to guns. It isn't about your personal right to self defense, it is about the greater good. The constitution has to be amended- you are a child and the NRA is a drug dealer. Unlike the circular system of checks and balances thru the branches of government ( and elections) the liberally preferred system is one of a vertical post where there is always someone above you that knows better and each person above the other on that post can see and here less of you. The live and let live types are the ones most affected by regulation since pressuring government goes against their nature. No matter what someone tries to say to convince you they are like minded, if the phrase " but nobody needs that many guns..." is ever used, they are not. Nobody needs that much money. Nobody needs that [ insert usurpation here ]! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec4 Posted October 5, 2017 at 02:43 PM Share Posted October 5, 2017 at 02:43 PM The left wants total disarmament. That is their "common sense" solution. Never forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted October 5, 2017 at 02:58 PM Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 at 02:58 PM Nobody needs that [ insert usurpation here ]! Sent from my iPad using TapatalkThis morning its been no one needs 1600 rounds of ammunition...or 30 guns much less 47. They really don't get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumgod Posted October 5, 2017 at 03:05 PM Share Posted October 5, 2017 at 03:05 PM Aimed fire could easily made the death toll much higher, the total injured would have been much less. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk This is something the antis will never understand. Because: bump stock = machine gun = moar military grade high caliber bullet clips of death! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangerdeepv Posted October 5, 2017 at 03:05 PM Share Posted October 5, 2017 at 03:05 PM Among people I call friends are some who are liberal progressive. The question of gun control has come up in the past. My response has always been 'how can you sit there and tell me you are anti-gun when you support abortion'? That will usually put them on their heels. Another thing is when I bring up the lack of enforcement of the existing laws and on and on. No other amount of laws, ordinances etc. passed or signed would stop any other killer. This usually confuddles them beyond their over-educated brains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tip Posted October 5, 2017 at 03:14 PM Share Posted October 5, 2017 at 03:14 PM If new laws will stop Las Vegas from happening again, Why didn't the laws against murder Stop it from happening in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
357 Posted October 5, 2017 at 04:42 PM Share Posted October 5, 2017 at 04:42 PM The AR-15 and the bump fire stock are not weapons of war and have not been used in any war, that's just propaganda. They are made for civilians for self defense and recreation and save lives every day but that's inconvenient to your agenda to report. Why you don't ask to ban trucks when they go through crowds. Criminals don't care about the laws and the high cost and don't register guns. Shootings in the 1930's didn't stop because tommy guns were made illegal because criminals still had them. The laws you are proposing are not gonna bring back Sonny and Rachel and the others but just advance your agenda and you don't let any opportunity go to waste. The NRA are the greatest patriots and opposers of domestic enemies of the US Constitution and terroists and traitors. The NRA are the greatest defenders of the Constitution and people's rights together with the representatives you are trying to kowtow which are honorable and would not commit treason and sell out the Constitution and make a deal with the devil no matter how much you pressure them. Would not violate anybody’s intellectually honest defense of the Second Amendment? It's clear that you are against the Constitution. Fearful Republican congressmen? They are not fearful because they have the Constitution behind them. You are fearful for being part of a conspiracy to deprive people of their rights. Let's see if you and anti gun politicians can wean themselves from Bloomberg's money. How is the soda tax working out for the people. I thought sun times went bankrupt, who you think you are to impose your will on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted October 5, 2017 at 05:42 PM Share Posted October 5, 2017 at 05:42 PM If new laws will stop Las Vegas from happening again, Why didn't the laws against murder Stop it from happening in the first place?It wasn't illegal enough. Time to make it moar illegal. Thanks for staying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WitchDoctor Posted October 5, 2017 at 05:54 PM Share Posted October 5, 2017 at 05:54 PM What 357 said.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solareclipse2 Posted October 5, 2017 at 06:21 PM Share Posted October 5, 2017 at 06:21 PM The NRA has trained them to view any commonsense gun regulation — few of which would have mattered Sunday — as a step toward black United Nations helicopters swooping down and sucking up their precious bodily fluids. Way to play the straw man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTriple Posted October 5, 2017 at 08:38 PM Share Posted October 5, 2017 at 08:38 PM Hold the line, call and complain to the NRA about their betrayal, and continue hammering those phone lines. We got this. There will be no gun control, this attempt will fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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