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#1 Ranger

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 10:21 AM

It seems likely that there would be; but I can't find any updates on this case?

 

https://www.law.com/...=20180908121825

 

Has the judge ruled?

 

 



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Posted 08 October 2018 - 02:29 PM

I doubt there is much movement because the courts are notoriously SLOW, but even the ACLU is on the NRA side in this case, since it revolves around 1st rights.

 

https://www.aclu.org...lu-amicus-brief

 

On another note, I simply can't see this not going the NRA's way in the end, if the NRA doesn't prevail, then the left is sure going to lose it when some states return the favor in regards to insurance companies and banks over things like say clinics and hospitals that perform abortions.


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Posted 08 October 2018 - 02:49 PM

Thinking and hoping it goes NRA's way.  It almost has to as it is so blatant.  What really intrigues me is whether the NRA will be able to get enough in punitive damages to dissuade other regimes from doing something similar.  Just an order to cease and desist won't do it.  There has to be some major repercussions to prevent copy cats and attempted work arounds. 



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Posted 08 October 2018 - 03:00 PM

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Many landmark civil rights decisions of the 1950s and 1960s arose out of free speech controversies, and involved the government's attempted use of its arrest powers to silence controversial ideas.
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Although public officials are free to express their opinions and may condemn viewpoints or groups they view as inimical to public welfare, they cannot abuse their regulatory authority to retaliate against disfavored advocacy organizations and to impose burdens on those organizations' ability to conduct lawful business.
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Recall that the heart of the case is that banks and insurance agencies were threatened with losing their NY business licenses if they provided services to the NRA in NY. I think an important point could be made by removing the word "advocacy" from the ACLU's argument above. Wouldn't it be an abuse of regulatory power to deny any legal organization the ability to conduct legal business?
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Posted 08 October 2018 - 03:11 PM

Seems like it to me.  Suspect it will get into discussion about proof and I think they may have to look at actions by the banks as the evidence (i.e. banks believed that a threat existed or they wouldn't have taken that action).  Probably get into 1st amendment discussion where NY claims just exercising 1st amendment rights to advocate on behalf of its citizens.  Will be interesting.  Could see this marching up the ladder of courts. 

 

Feel lot better with solid majority on SCOTUS now.  Hope that SCOTUS has good security.  There are some crazies out there that could try to take some out if Dems take Senate.

 

I sense that there might be something neat about icon of pie minus 3/7th; but can't figure it out.  Share a clue?



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Posted 08 October 2018 - 03:43 PM

I sense that there might be something neat about icon of pie minus 3/7th; but can't figure it out.  Share a clue?


Only a clue.

Many (sadly only older now) people are (should be) familiar with the rational fraction approximation (i.e., truncated continued fraction) of pi as 22/7.

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 04:09 PM

I doubt there is much movement because the courts are notoriously SLOW, but even the ACLU is on the NRA side in this case, since it revolves around 1st rights.

 

https://www.aclu.org...lu-amicus-brief

 

On another note, I simply can't see this not going the NRA's way in the end, if the NRA doesn't prevail, then the left is sure going to lose it when some states return the favor in regards to insurance companies and banks over things like say clinics and hospitals that perform abortions.

 

Just like with the filibuster issue, left-leaning crusaders do not seem to realize that they are opening up Pandora's boxes every time they change the rules to try to screw over someone who is ideologically opposed to them. Once the genie is out of the bottle, it can't be put back in.

 

The same thing does go for conservatives knocking out the pilings to give the finger to progressive/left wing sacred cows.

 

All it does is cause an escalation of extreme actions, and an eroding of the rights and protections that the Founding Fathers set up.

 

Idiots, the lot of them.


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 09:27 AM

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Most will mispronounce it. Some of us have worked extensively with series expansions and are quite comfortable making real calculations using imaginary space.

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 09:42 AM

 

Feel lot better with solid majority on SCOTUS now.  Hope that SCOTUS has good security.  There are some crazies out there that could try to take some out if Dems take Senate.

 

 

 

As a matter of fact, they have their own agency (part of that seperation of branches)

https://en.wikipedia...me_Court_Police


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Posted 17 October 2018 - 07:58 AM

 

I sense that there might be something neat about icon of pie minus 3/7th; but can't figure it out.  Share a clue?


Only a clue.

Many (sadly only older now) people are (should be) familiar with the rational fraction approximation (i.e., truncated continued fraction) of pi as 22/7.

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I guess I'm old, I still know how to calculate square roots on paper and stopping at 159 is just for sissy's. 


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