Gith71 Posted November 1, 2018 at 01:57 PM Share Posted November 1, 2018 at 01:57 PM So, I am very and truly disappointed with the State of Illinois and the ISP: Date: 3/26/2018 put in for CCL 7/2/2018 Put in for new FOID because old one was broken and not being accepted 10/1/2018 Rejected for Lack of Training (Certificate was filled out incorrectly) 10/3/2018 Faxed copy of new certificate. Web site not allowing me to upload 10/5/2018 Called -- No answer 10/6/2018 Emailed ISP No Answer 10/12/2018 Emailed State Rep - No Answer 10/15/2018 Emailed State Senator -- No Answer 10/19/2018 Emailed ISP No Answer I emailed again today, waiting to see if I get an answer. I just want to know if they have the new certificate. ... Distressed Vet and no CCL.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cola490 Posted November 1, 2018 at 03:04 PM Share Posted November 1, 2018 at 03:04 PM So you applied for your CCL on 3/26 and it was rejected on 10/1, 6 months later. Did you try and contact the ISP during this time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec5 Posted November 1, 2018 at 03:05 PM Share Posted November 1, 2018 at 03:05 PM PM Molly B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted November 1, 2018 at 03:28 PM Share Posted November 1, 2018 at 03:28 PM PM Molly B.x65465165 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gith71 Posted November 1, 2018 at 03:30 PM Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 at 03:30 PM Yes, I contacted ISP during that time. Multiple times and received a Single response. "We needed to deal with the FOID replacement and put your CCL on hold during that time" Just the Great Bureaucracy at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWBH Posted November 1, 2018 at 03:50 PM Share Posted November 1, 2018 at 03:50 PM Sad that your state rep and senator did not respond - so much for representing the folks in their districts.The ISP - no excuse - JMHO - they are supposed to protect and "serve"...FWIW - you are not the only one who has had problems getting the ISP to respond to requests! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted November 1, 2018 at 04:20 PM Share Posted November 1, 2018 at 04:20 PM Sad that your state rep and senator did not respond - so much for representing the folks in their districts.The ISP - no excuse - JMHO - they are supposed to protect and "serve"...FWIW - you are not the only one who has had problems getting the ISP to respond to requests!The rep and senator not responding could be a simple indication of their thoughts on the 2A. Care to share who they are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gith71 Posted November 1, 2018 at 04:50 PM Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 at 04:50 PM Senate District 4, Kimberly A. Lightford (D) House District 8 La Shawn K. Ford (D) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec5 Posted November 1, 2018 at 05:29 PM Share Posted November 1, 2018 at 05:29 PM Senate District 4, Kimberly A. Lightford (D) House District 8 La Shawn K. Ford (D)Let the people know who are running against them and maybe they can use it in an ad about them not caring about the People they represent. Although admittedly it's late in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTX63 Posted November 2, 2018 at 12:25 AM Share Posted November 2, 2018 at 12:25 AM Just the Great Bureaucracy at work. Nope, it is worse than that. Section 8/Snap/Education/Roads and Bridges are bureaucracies. The Illinois FOID/CCL program is an underfunded, skeleton crew system that was put together with donated hand me downs because the state was forced to implement something and did so like a spoiled kid. They don't care if it is inefficient and won't ever be seeking large appropriations like other programs, even though this isn't an entitlement it is a right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted November 2, 2018 at 12:36 AM Share Posted November 2, 2018 at 12:36 AM Just the Great Bureaucracy at work. Nope, it is worse than that. Section 8/Snap/Education/Roads and Bridges are bureaucracies. The Illinois FOID/CCL program is an underfunded, skeleton crew system that was put together with donated hand me downs because the state was forced to implement something and did so like a spoiled kid. They don't care if it is inefficient and won't ever be seeking large appropriations like other programs, even though this isn't an entitlement it is a right.Underfunded? with percentages they get from FOID and CCL licenses it appears they could have gotten double digit millions or close to it. They may be understaffed as they claim but looking at state job postings, I found nothing posted. Agree they need to work on efficiency. Would be curious to know percentage in house IT does vs the outsourced application work to Appriss and the number of people they have processing apps. No reason they cant better handle calls and emails either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted November 2, 2018 at 01:55 AM Share Posted November 2, 2018 at 01:55 AM The problem is not underfunding. There are 2,287,291 FOID cards at $10 each.There are 328,435 FCCL cards at $150 each. If my math is correct (not a guarantee) that means the ISP collected $70,638,160 to maintain the system That should be enough to provide quality service.That is not what we’re getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted November 2, 2018 at 02:19 AM Share Posted November 2, 2018 at 02:19 AM The problem is not underfunding. There are 2,287,291 FOID cards at $10 each.There are 328,435 FCCL cards at $150 each. If my math is correct (not a guarantee) that means the ISP collected $70,638,160 to maintain the system That should be enough to provide quality service.That is not what were getting.So about $42M went to ISP Firearm Services Fund ignoring replacement lost cards and change of address cards fees. Seems they could hire some people and perform tested system updates with that. Sec. 60. Fees. (a) All fees collected under this Act shall be deposited as provided in this Section. Application, renewal, and replacement fees shall be non-refundable.( An applicant for a new license or a renewal shall submit $150 with the application, of which $120 shall be apportioned to the State Police Firearm Services Fund, $20 shall be apportioned to the Mental Health Reporting Fund, and $10 shall be apportioned to the State Crime Laboratory Fund.© A non-resident applicant for a new license or renewal shall submit $300 with the application, of which $250 shall be apportioned to the State Police Firearm Services Fund, $40 shall be apportioned to the Mental Health Reporting Fund, and $10 shall be apportioned to the State Crime Laboratory Fund.(d) A licensee requesting a new license in accordance with Section 55 shall submit $75, of which $60 shall be apportioned to the State Police Firearm Services Fund, $5 shall be apportioned to the Mental Health Reporting Fund, and $10 shall be apportioned to the State Crime Laboratory Fund. FOID Fee breakdownSec. 5. The Department of State Police shall either approve or deny all applications within 30 days from the date they are received, and every applicant found qualified under Section 8 of this Act by the Department shall be entitled to a Firearm Owner's Identification Card upon the payment of a $10 fee. Any applicant who is an active duty member of the Armed Forces of the United States, a member of the Illinois National Guard, or a member of the Reserve Forces of the United States is exempt from the application fee. $6 of each fee derived from the issuance of Firearm Owner's Identification Cards, or renewals thereof, shall be deposited in the Wildlife and Fish Fund in the State Treasury; $1 of the fee shall be deposited in the State Police Services Fund and $3 of the fee shall be deposited in the State Police Firearm Services Fund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamma Posted November 2, 2018 at 03:03 AM Share Posted November 2, 2018 at 03:03 AM As I've said time and time again, ISP FSB leadership should have been fired long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTX63 Posted November 2, 2018 at 10:40 AM Share Posted November 2, 2018 at 10:40 AM By underfunded, I do not mean the state does not take in sufficient monies to operate the system, I mean the program is not receiving the appropriate about of capitol to make it work. There is no way the IL State Police FOID/CCL is operating in the red. How many employees do you believe should be operating a state wide system that is based on a constitutional right?How difficult is it to reach other state run organizations ie DMV? Planned Parenthood? Dept of Revenue? How about if you just moved and you want to vote? So where is that money?So what if they are hiring now? Where they hiring last year? Was the "appeals" board being red balled thru so there was a group of people hitting the ground running in order to handle all of the denials? Is the software and computer systems they are using purchased with this "new" money, or was it just repurposed from another state agency when said agency upgraded their setups? The money is there; where is it going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa Posted November 2, 2018 at 01:42 PM Share Posted November 2, 2018 at 01:42 PM By underfunded, I do not mean the state does not take in sufficient monies to operate the system, I mean the program is not receiving the appropriate about of capitol to make it work. There is no way the IL State Police FOID/CCL is operating in the red. How many employees do you believe should be operating a state wide system that is based on a constitutional right?How difficult is it to reach other state run organizations ie DMV? Planned Parenthood? Dept of Revenue? How about if you just moved and you want to vote? So where is that money?So what if they are hiring now? Where they hiring last year? Was the "appeals" board being red balled thru so there was a group of people hitting the ground running in order to handle all of the denials? Is the software and computer systems they are using purchased with this "new" money, or was it just repurposed from another state agency when said agency upgraded their setups? The money is there; where is it going? I would bet that most of the money they draw from the FOID/FCCL system is funneled to pay off the enormous debt ( pension/unpaid bills ) . This state is broke and there is no way they can reinvest the monies back into the systems like they should. Thank you Mike Madigan!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Flag Posted November 2, 2018 at 05:01 PM Share Posted November 2, 2018 at 05:01 PM Has anyone tried calling The Office of the Director of the Illinois State Police to let them know the FOID hotline is down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWBH Posted November 2, 2018 at 11:32 PM Share Posted November 2, 2018 at 11:32 PM By underfunded, I do not mean the state does not take in sufficient monies to operate the system, I mean the program is not receiving the appropriate about of capitol to make it work. There is no way the IL State Police FOID/CCL is operating in the red. How many employees do you believe should be operating a state wide system that is based on a constitutional right?How difficult is it to reach other state run organizations ie DMV? Planned Parenthood? Dept of Revenue? How about if you just moved and you want to vote? So where is that money?So what if they are hiring now? Where they hiring last year? Was the "appeals" board being red balled thru so there was a group of people hitting the ground running in order to handle all of the denials? Is the software and computer systems they are using purchased with this "new" money, or was it just repurposed from another state agency when said agency upgraded their setups? The money is there; where is it going? I would bet that most of the money they draw from the FOID/FCCL system is funneled to pay off the enormous debt ( pension/unpaid bills ) . This state is broke and there is no way they can reinvest the monies back into the systems like they should. Thank you Mike Madigan!!! This would be par for the course, considering they did the same thing to the IDNR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted November 3, 2018 at 06:56 PM Share Posted November 3, 2018 at 06:56 PM By underfunded, I do not mean the state does not take in sufficient monies to operate the system, I mean the program is not receiving the appropriate about of capitol to make it work. There is no way the IL State Police FOID/CCL is operating in the red. How many employees do you believe should be operating a state wide system that is based on a constitutional right?How difficult is it to reach other state run organizations ie DMV? Planned Parenthood? Dept of Revenue? How about if you just moved and you want to vote? So where is that money?So what if they are hiring now? Where they hiring last year? Was the "appeals" board being red balled thru so there was a group of people hitting the ground running in order to handle all of the denials? Is the software and computer systems they are using purchased with this "new" money, or was it just repurposed from another state agency when said agency upgraded their setups? The money is there; where is it going? I would bet that most of the money they draw from the FOID/FCCL system is funneled to pay off the enormous debt ( pension/unpaid bills ) . This state is broke and there is no way they can reinvest the monies back into the systems like they should. Thank you Mike Madigan!!!This would be par for the course, considering they did the same thing to the IDNR. They loaded the IDNR up with a bunch of nepotist bureaucrats first. As for that cadaver, Madigan - don't get me started !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango7 Posted November 3, 2018 at 09:19 PM Share Posted November 3, 2018 at 09:19 PM The ISP has not release an annual report to the public since 2014 - but the Auditor General found a few things during an audit: The Illinois Department of State Police (Department) did not pay into the State treasury the gross amount of money received and did not record the receipts to Department records on a timely basis as required by State law. During our testing, we noted $2,377,350 of concealed carry receipts received during the period January through June 2014, were not deposited until July 2014. Further, the receipts were not recorded into Department records until the receipts were deposited and the receipts were then backdated in Department records to Fiscal Year 2014 into the following funds respectively: Fund 148 – Mental Health Reporting $316,215, Fund 152 – State Crime Laboratory $159,255, and Fund 209 – State Police Firearm Services $1,901,880. Department personnel stated the receipts initially could not be deposited due to not knowing the breakdown of how much to deposit in each of the three funds involved. Recommendation 1: The Department of State Police should update its FOID Card Program Policy and Procedures Manual, provide and document formal training to its Firearms Services Bureau staff; and update its administrative rules relating to the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act. Partially Implemented: Recommendation 2: The Department of State Police should work with Circuit Courts and Circuit Court Clerks to ensure that the necessary prohibiting mental health information is submitted to the Department, as required by the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act, so it can be used by the Department in the FOID eligibility process, as well as submitted to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System. Implemented: Recommendation 3: The Department of State Police and the Department of Human Services (DHS) should work with hospitals, nursing homes, clinicians, and other entities required to report prohibiting mental health information to the DHS-FOID system, to ensure that: all required reports are filed; the information is timely, complete and accurate; and voluntary and involuntary admissions are differentiated. In addition, the Department should review its controls to ensure that all mental health matches sent by DHS are properly worked by eligibility staff. Implemented: Of course - any way to reduce the number of as-yet-unindicted gun owning criminals. Recommendation 6: The Department of State Police should work with its vendor to ensure that FOID cards are forwarded to the correct mailing address, and ensure that it has enough Customer Service Representatives to answer the questions of FOID card applicants. Partially Implemented STATE POLICE FIREARM SERVICES FUND -209 Division of Forensic Services and IdentificationExpenses outlined in the Firearm Concealed Carry Act and the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act2016 Expenditure Authority (Net After Transfers) $ 22,000,000Total expenditures $7,683,456Lapsed balances $ 14,316,544 But there's no source of what the staffing level is or should be for comparison. https://www.auditor.illinois.gov/Audit-Reports/Compliance-Agency-List/ISP/FY16-ISP-Comp-Full.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTX63 Posted November 3, 2018 at 11:44 PM Share Posted November 3, 2018 at 11:44 PM But there's no source of what the staffing level is or should be for comparison. So taking educated guesses, how many employees are working for the Il Secretary of State Driver's Facilities?How many work for the local County Assessor's Office?How many circuit clerks employees are there?What would you think if you discovered 15-20 state police desk clerks assigned to the FOID program were working in one office in Springfield roughly the size of a grade school classroom?No one answers the phone. No one returns voice mails. In the rare occurrence that you do get a human being the information they give has been shown to be vague, incorrect or outdated. Appeals, lack of processing in many cases have only been sped up after Molly gets involved.Yet tens of millions of dollars have been poured into the state government's coffers, yet it doesn't get put into the general fund, it isn't disclosed properly or even deposited in a timely manner.A private business run in this matter would be sued, pinned to the wall of the BBB, and ironically would probably have Lisa Madigan opening an investigation into their shoddy business practices.Yet here we are...and here we will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScopeEye Posted November 4, 2018 at 01:08 AM Share Posted November 4, 2018 at 01:08 AM The entire state all government offices should be investigated, by an outside source.Your tax dollars and service dollars are being misused.IL is so corrupt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted November 5, 2018 at 11:54 AM Share Posted November 5, 2018 at 11:54 AM At the time of Heller and McDonald, the status of the 2nd was on its way back to where it should have been all along. Now with the recent addition to the SCOTUS lineup, we might again be able to get something heard. Requiring citizens to have a card to exercise an essential right, but only with a card that cannot be obtained nor appealed for, that could be deemed to be an undue burden on the free exercise of that right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gith71 Posted November 15, 2018 at 04:07 PM Author Share Posted November 15, 2018 at 04:07 PM So, Sent Email again today, as well as a general inquiry. Tried calling again and received Voicemail. I think my next step is opening an investigation with the Liberal Media. I am not even worried about the amount of time, it pisses me off that I receive no responses to my inquiries. Date: 3/26/2018 put in for CCL 7/2/2018 Put in for new FOID because old one was broken and not being accepted 10/1/2018 Rejected for Lack of Training (Certificate was filled out incorrectly) 10/3/2018 Faxed copy of new certificate. Web site not allowing me to upload 10/5/2018 Called -- No answer 10/6/2018 Emailed ISP No Answer 10/12/2018 Emailed State Rep - No Answer 10/15/2018 Emailed State Senator -- No Answer 10/19/2018 Emailed ISP No Answer 11/1/2018 Emailed ISP No Answer 11/15/2018 Emailed ISP Firearms and General Inq. Also called Firearms and got voicemail. Dejected Illinois Resident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gith71 Posted November 19, 2018 at 01:50 PM Author Share Posted November 19, 2018 at 01:50 PM Lets see what Happens, I found the E-mail address for the director of the Illinois State Police administrative division. Sent her a personal e-mail. Ill probably have a knock at my door. (JK) Dejected Illinois Resident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gith71 Posted November 19, 2018 at 09:54 PM Author Share Posted November 19, 2018 at 09:54 PM So, Here is an update. My e-mail to the head of the Administrative department worked. Received a call and was approved over the phone. Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scipio24 Posted November 19, 2018 at 10:07 PM Share Posted November 19, 2018 at 10:07 PM Congrats! It is indeed very sad that that is what it takes to exercise a constitutional right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted November 19, 2018 at 11:14 PM Share Posted November 19, 2018 at 11:14 PM Has anyone tried calling The Office of the Director of the Illinois State Police to let them know the FOID hotline is down?Good question, did you call? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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