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[peteydoug]

Hey guys! 

 

This is my first post on this forum. My wife is relocating to Chicago for a new work opportunity from VA (much to my dismay, but the offer was solid). I'm a current CHP holder in VA and I have a non-resident AZ CWP. I have a few questions regarding the process for getting a IL non-resident CCW:

 

• What are the general wait times for a non-residents retrieving their permit? I've searched every forum I can find and only see results for people getting renewals and resident permits...from my understanding it looks like 4-5 months (which sucks because i'm moving February 1st). Anyone have any experience on this?
• Is there a noticeable time difference with/without fingerprints? I found someone that can do my 16 hour IL training class here in Virginia but I can't find a fingerprint vendor in my home state. I would hate to have to fly to Chicago just to get prints done if it doesn't really have much of an affect on waiting times. 
• I have a plethora of firearms but seems as if only two of mine comply with Chicago restrictions. As I understand it, no AR receivers, no shotguns with 5+ capacity, no zinc-alloy firearms (c'mon really?), no lasers (I have two handguns with built in lasers (Glock with laser guide rod and S&W bodyguard with crimson trace frame), and generally nothing with over 10/15 round magazines. I understand there is a preemption law with magazine capacity but it just seems like a mess trying to understand it. Anyone care to shine any light on this?
• Would I be able to carry extra magazines? 

Sorry if these answers have already been answered, I tried to do my due diligence as best as I can. I really appreciate any help I can get. 

[Talonap]

Hello and welcome to the forum! I might be able to help a small bit, but others will be around soon. First, you need to apply for the FOID card, (Firearms Owner Identification Card), You must have the FOID to have a CCL - not sure if you can apply for both at the same time or not. Also must have a FOID card to purchase a firearm, and in some places, can't even touch a firearm in a store without it. The IL Genera Assembly has been trying to get the law changed to require fingerprints for the FOID AND the CCL. At the present time, prints are not required for the FOID nor CCL.

Until you are a resident, you can carry in your car only. Once you are a resident, neither of your permits are any good.

 

The preemption for mag limits is for Handguns only. To my knowledge, no one has been a, "Test case", for this so far.

 

Hope this helps some. Anyone else on here, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Edited by Talonap, 15 November 2019 - 11:15 AM.

[InterestedBystander]

He is asking about non resident CCL. Dont think a FOID is possible but could be wrong. FAQ says non residents FOID not required. Theres a thread or 2 about some people from TX getting a non CCL.

Residents are getting 90 to 120 days if lucky so assume that long or more.

Prints in theory take up to 30 days off but given current situation...5 people in department handling processing and 25k calls per week, Id save the money. you need a livescan vendor and theres a list on the ispfsb page I think.

If you are in Chicago, you can store your items outside of Cook county. some lgs have rental lockers.

Edited by InterestedBystander, 15 November 2019 - 01:00 PM.

[soundguy]

Welcome to the forum.

 

If you are moving here in Feb and intend to become an Illinois resident; Illinois DL, taxes, etc... don't bother with the IL non-res license. I believe it will become invalid as soon as you no longer live in VA, even though you moved to Illinois. Molly could confirm this or correct me.

 

For a resident applying for a CCL, fingerprints shave off maybe 30 days of waiting.

If you are becoming a resident, get your DL first and apply for FOID and CCL at the same time.

 

Ask more questions as needed.

Molly has the best advice.

[peteydoug]

I'm not planning on becoming a IL resident. I have a job that requires me to travel for weeks at a time in different cities around the US, so I will always keep my primary residence in Virginia and stay with my wife in Chicago when I'm not traveling. I've basically lived in Dallas, Atlanta, DC, Pittsburgh, Miami, Orlando, Denver, Raleigh, & Nashville in the past 4 years.  Spending more than 60-90 days in each...that's a lot of drivers licenses if I became a resident of each lol. 

 

As far as fingerprinting, I looked at all the IL approved vendors and they are all in Illinois. There is one that has branches in Virginia but don't know if they would be applicable since the website strictly states that only vendors on the list are approved. 

 

I'll probably just leave my non-compliant firearms in a buddies safe in VA. I'll play it safe and only bring my LCP 2 and Glock 43x (both hold 10 or less) 

 

Thanks for everyone's input!! 

[Euler]

... no zinc-alloy firearms (c'mon really?) ...

It's illegal to transfer zinc alloy firearms. It's not illegal to possess them.

It's a law designed to keep inexpensive firearms out of the hands of people who cannot afford anything more expensive (i.e., blacks and Hispanics, lest they rise up and kill whitey). It was passed in the wake of the 1968 Democratic Convention and has never been repealed.

[peteydoug]

 

... no zinc-alloy firearms (c'mon really?) ...

It's illegal to transfer zinc alloy firearms. It's not illegal to possess them.

It's a law designed to keep inexpensive firearms out of the hands of people who cannot afford anything more expensive (i.e., blacks and Hispanics, lest they rise up and kill whitey). It was passed in the wake of the 1968 Democratic Convention and has never been repealed.

 

 

I figured it was for that reason....but guess that means I can carry my H.A. Rough Rider and my Jimenez (first gun I ever bought when I was a broke college student...best $75 I've ever spent)

[InterestedBystander]

Bills were submitted to change the melting point but it never got called to committee hearings. Many are not aware of this law and they can be found in some places.

[Talonap]

 

 

... no zinc-alloy firearms (c'mon really?) ...

It's illegal to transfer zinc alloy firearms. It's not illegal to possess them.

It's a law designed to keep inexpensive firearms out of the hands of people who cannot afford anything more expensive (i.e., blacks and Hispanics, lest they rise up and kill whitey). It was passed in the wake of the 1968 Democratic Convention and has never been repealed.

 

 

I figured it was for that reason....but guess that means I can carry my H.A. Rough Rider and my Jimenez (first gun I ever bought when I was a broke college student...best $75 I've ever spent)

 

 

Don't forget, if you are not an IL resident with a CCL, you can only carry in your car.

Edited by Talonap, 15 November 2019 - 01:52 PM.

[soundguy]

While you are waiting for your non-res license:

 

 

(e) Nothing in this Act shall prohibit a non-resident from transporting a concealed firearm within his or her vehicle in Illinois, if the concealed firearm remains within his or her vehicle and the non-resident:
        (1) is not prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm under federal law;
        (2) is eligible to carry a firearm in public under the laws of his or her state or territory of residence, as evidenced by the possession of a concealed carry license or permit issued by his or her state of residence, if applicable; and
        (3) is not in possession of a license under this Act.
    If the non-resident leaves his or her vehicle unattended, he or she shall store the firearm within a locked vehicle or locked container within the vehicle in accordance with subsection ( of Section 65 of this Act.
(Source: P.A. 98-63, eff. 7-9-13; 98-600, eff. 12-6-13; 99-78, eff. 7-20-15.)

 

Link

[peteydoug]

While you are waiting for your non-res license:

 

 

(e) Nothing in this Act shall prohibit a non-resident from transporting a concealed firearm within his or her vehicle in Illinois, if the concealed firearm remains within his or her vehicle and the non-resident:
        (1) is not prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm under federal law;
        (2) is eligible to carry a firearm in public under the laws of his or her state or territory of residence, as evidenced by the possession of a concealed carry license or permit issued by his or her state of residence, if applicable; and
        (3) is not in possession of a license under this Act.
    If the non-resident leaves his or her vehicle unattended, he or she shall store the firearm within a locked vehicle or locked container within the vehicle in accordance with subsection ( of Section 65 of this Act.
(Source: P.A. 98-63, eff. 7-9-13; 98-600, eff. 12-6-13; 99-78, eff. 7-20-15.)

 

Link

 

Is there anything regarding keeping it in the house? I typically keep one in a secured glovebox in my car (unless I have to drive into MD or DC, then it has to stay at home)

[soundguy]

While you are waiting for your non-res license:
 
 

(e) Nothing in this Act shall prohibit a non-resident from transporting a concealed firearm within his or her vehicle in Illinois, if the concealed firearm remains within his or her vehicle and the non-resident:
        (1) is not prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm under federal law;
        (2) is eligible to carry a firearm in public under the laws of his or her state or territory of residence, as evidenced by the possession of a concealed carry license or permit issued by his or her state of residence, if applicable; and
        (3) is not in possession of a license under this Act.
    If the non-resident leaves his or her vehicle unattended, he or she shall store the firearm within a locked vehicle or locked container within the vehicle in accordance with subsection ( of Section 65 of this Act.
(Source: P.A. 98-63, eff. 7-9-13; 98-600, eff. 12-6-13; 99-78, eff. 7-20-15.)

 
Link

 
Is there anything regarding keeping it in the house? I typically keep one in a secured glovebox in my car (unless I have to drive into MD or DC, then it has to stay at home)

There is no problem with it in your Illinois home.
If your wife is becoming an Illinois resident, she should apply for an FOID.

[BigJim]

Can VA residents get an Illinois non-resident FCCL?

[THE KING]

Can VA residents get an Illinois non-resident FCCL?

Yes

[peteydoug]

 

There is no problem with it in your Illinois home.
If your wife is becoming an Illinois resident, she should apply for an FOID.

 

 

Most likely not, she hates gun (opposites attract?) I got her an FMK 9mm last Christmas and she's never even bothered to shoot it. She probably won't change her residence to IL because we came to an agreement that we shouldn't stay there longer than a year (no offence guys, but I hate the cold). 

[THE KING]

Don't know if anyone has given you an answer about fingerprints.

My opinion is, don't waste your money.

[InterestedBystander]

Can VA residents get an Illinois non-resident FCCL?

Yes

The Illinois State Police sent a survey to each state to determine which of them has laws that are substantially similar. Currently, the only states considered to be substantially similar are Arkansas, Mississippi, Texas and Virginia.

[peteydoug]

 

 

Can VA residents get an Illinois non-resident FCCL?

Yes

The Illinois State Police sent a survey to each state to determine which of them has laws that are substantially similar. Currently, the only states considered to be substantially similar are Arkansas, Mississippi, Texas and Virginia.

 

Funny how that works, seeing that those states have some of the least restrictive laws 

[Euler]

The Illinois State Police sent a survey to each state to determine which of them has laws that are substantially similar. Currently, the only states considered to be substantially similar are Arkansas, Mississippi, Texas and Virginia.

Funny how that works, seeing that those states have some of the least restrictive laws 

I believe the crucial elements are that those states require applicants to waive their HIPAA privacy protections, to take some form of instruction, and to pass a range qualification, "substantially similar" to Illinois.

[peteydoug]

 

 

The Illinois State Police sent a survey to each state to determine which of them has laws that are substantially similar. Currently, the only states considered to be substantially similar are Arkansas, Mississippi, Texas and Virginia.

Funny how that works, seeing that those states have some of the least restrictive laws 

 

I believe the crucial elements are that those states require applicants to waive their HIPAA privacy protections, to take some form of instruction, and to pass a range qualification, "substantially similar" to Illinois.

 

No range qualification here in VA, 40 minute online test required ( basic stuff like trigger discipline, don't point at what you don't intend to destroy, etc.) that only costs you $20. No HIPAA rights waiving. Practically no firearm restrictions, aside from regular NFA tax stamp requirements, no firearm registrations, open-carry permitted if you don't have a CCW. I'd say it's far from these ridiculous IL rules. 

[InterestedBystander]

I thought it was largely related to mental health reporting but would need to go back and review the posts on the non resident ccl licenses when they changed the states a couple of years back.

[BigJim]

 

 

There is no problem with it in your Illinois home.
If your wife is becoming an Illinois resident, she should apply for an FOID.

 

 

Most likely not, she hates gun (opposites attract?) I got her an FMK 9mm last Christmas and she's never even bothered to shoot it. She probably won't change her residence to IL because we came to an agreement that we shouldn't stay there longer than a year (no offence guys, but I hate the cold). 

 

If she does change her residence she will need to get a FOID if she is ever alone in the house with guns in it.  She would also need it if you two were out and you got into an accident where you required hospitalization.  Without it the cops would take possession of any guns in the car or on you.

Edited by BigJim, 16 November 2019 - 08:50 AM.

[Xwing]

Well, the extremely good news is that you are in one of only 4 states whose residents are allowed to apply for an Illinois CCW license.  Residents in the other 45 (besides IL for res, and AR, MS, TX & VA for non-res) are completely out of luck.

 

The bad news is that Illinois makes it somewhat painful.  Expect it to take the maximum possible time if you don't submit fingerprints (which have to be from an Illinois licensed Livescan vendor.)  It's great if you have a local source who is an Illinois instructor in VA.  (He or she has to be approved by Illinois State Police to teach the Illinois-specific class.)  But Illinois is shall-issue, so once you jump through all the hoops, you will get the license.

 

And until you get your license, pay attention to the code that soundguy posted above.  You can carry legally in your car per 430 ILCS 66:40(e), and on your own property or dwelling per 720 ILCS 5/24-1.6 in conjunction with 430 ILCS 65/2:2(a)(10).  But anywhere else is forbidden until you get an IL CCW. 

 

Like the rest of the people posting here, I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice.

[BigJim]

If you are an Illinois resident your local PD is notified of your application and given the opportunity to object (dart) to your being approved.  Does the same apply to non residents?  Does the ISP contact Andy Griffith and solicit his feedback on your Illinois FCCL application?

[oohrah]

Sorry I'm late to this discussion.  I went through this a few years ago.

 

1.  you do not have to take the 16 hour class in IL.  I found an IL certified instructor in Texas.

2.  You must do the fingerprints in IL.  Texas even uses the same vendor as IL, and I couldn't do prints in Texas, so I didn't do prints.

3.  Took 105 days to get my CCL.

4.  non-residents cannot get FOIDs as mentioned above.

5.  If you are a veteran, you can get 8 hours of the training waived.

6.  You can continue to car carry (concealed) with your VA CCL while you're waiting.

7. you can "transport" your unloaded weapon in a locked case from your vehicle to your residence (and a hotel room is considered a residence).

8.  The fee is outrageous.

[peteydoug]

Sorry I'm late to this discussion.  I went through this a few years ago.

 

1.  you do not have to take the 16 hour class in IL.  I found an IL certified instructor in Texas.

2.  You must do the fingerprints in IL.  Texas even uses the same vendor as IL, and I couldn't do prints in Texas, so I didn't do prints.

3.  Took 105 days to get my CCL.

4.  non-residents cannot get FOIDs as mentioned above.

5.  If you are a veteran, you can get 8 hours of the training waived.

6.  You can continue to car carry (concealed) with your VA CCL while you're waiting.

7. you can "transport" your unloaded weapon in a locked case from your vehicle to your residence (and a hotel room is considered a residence).

8.  The fee is outrageous.

Thanks!!

 

I just got my training scheduled this weekend with a IL instructor that's only an hour away here in VA. Super excited but it's going to cost me $350 :/ 

 

As far as the prints, I found "Identogo" listed on ISP's website and they are a national chain with a branch 7 minutes down the road from me. Are you saying that I still can't use them?

[oohrah]

I don't think so. When I was applying, IL would only allow fingerprinting by their vendor in state. You can try emailing ISP and ask. I had to email them about a question, and they were responsive. BTW, I just skipped it. It didn't seem to make any difference in time back them, everyone was running long. Don't know what it is like now.

My class was only $100, but I only had to do the 8 hrs and range test( which was pretty simple).

Good luck, in the end it will be worth it. When I visited family in the Chicago area, I carried everywhere without ever running into any signage. Of course, I did not use public transportation or need to visit govt offices.

Edited by oohrah, 20 November 2019 - 08:54 AM.

[peteydoug]

Thanks again for everyone's help, application submitted!