transplant Posted May 2, 2016 at 04:47 AM Share Posted May 2, 2016 at 04:47 AM Google Shepherd v Madigan and Moore v Madigan Illinois will never ever have a ban on carry in church Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc Posted May 2, 2016 at 04:48 AM Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 at 04:48 AM I understood that about a year ago "they" were going to outlaw carrying in church. Does anyone know if anything ever came of it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevis Posted May 2, 2016 at 05:23 AM Share Posted May 2, 2016 at 05:23 AM No, it is not one of the 23 statutorily prohibited places. Any private business, organization, building owner/manager can post a state compliant sign in accordance with the law, and make it a legally enforceable gun free zone. Some churches deigned to do so. But, no, there's nothing in the law that makes churches prohibited (some states around us have, interestingly...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwc Posted May 2, 2016 at 10:22 AM Share Posted May 2, 2016 at 10:22 AM Google Shepherd v Madigan and Moore v Madigan Illinois will never ever have a ban on carry in church The first case is Shepard v. Madigan (note spelling). IIRC, there have been bills introduced to make church carry statutorily prohibited. Fortunately they haven't gone anywhere. But we need to maintain diligence to keep it that way. Never say never, especially in this state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 2, 2016 at 10:49 AM Share Posted May 2, 2016 at 10:49 AM Neither the House nor Senate bill ever gained any traction. The Senate sponsor since moved on to another job and no one's picked up his bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomG Posted May 2, 2016 at 12:19 PM Share Posted May 2, 2016 at 12:19 PM Google Shepherd v Madigan and Moore v MadiganIllinois will never ever have a ban on carry in churchNever say never in Illinois when it comes to restricting the peasants privileges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solojoe Posted May 2, 2016 at 12:48 PM Share Posted May 2, 2016 at 12:48 PM ........The Senate sponsor since moved on to another job and no one's picked up his bill.That's good news. I did not know that. I did not care for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted May 2, 2016 at 01:03 PM Share Posted May 2, 2016 at 01:03 PM ........The Senate sponsor since moved on to another job and no one's picked up his bill.That's good news. I did not know that. I did not care for him. Apparently no one did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retiredguns Posted May 2, 2016 at 01:08 PM Share Posted May 2, 2016 at 01:08 PM Hope it never happens.. http://www.tacomaguitarforum.com/tgf/42carry.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted May 2, 2016 at 02:44 PM Share Posted May 2, 2016 at 02:44 PM Google Shepherd v Madigan and Moore v Madigan Illinois will never ever have a ban on carry in church That's exactly what I was going to say Mary Shepard was attacked in her church. She had permits from two other states to carry. She sued the State of Illinois for not letting her carry in IL. She won the case. The court said the IL law banning carry was unconstitutional and gave them a time limit to pass a carry law before he struck down the ban. If churches would've been made a statutorily prohibited place, how would that have discharged the suit? Shepard was asking for the right to carry in a church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevis Posted May 2, 2016 at 03:05 PM Share Posted May 2, 2016 at 03:05 PM If churches would've been made a statutorily prohibited place, how would that have discharged the suit? Shepard was asking for the right to carry in a church.Well, it IS Illinois. If anyone would have tried, it would not have surprised me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglebob Posted May 2, 2016 at 05:58 PM Share Posted May 2, 2016 at 05:58 PM No, it is not one of the 23 statutorily prohibited places. Any private business, organization, building owner/manager can post a state compliant sign in accordance with the law, and make it a legally enforceable gun free zone. Some churches deigned to do so. But, no, there's nothing in the law that makes churches prohibited (some states around us have, interestingly...). You said "some states around us prohibit church carry" that would be 2 states Missouri and Michigan unless you get special permission. The same for Arkansas, if you count that as a "state around us", apparently you can get permission there to if I read their law correctly. A school on the property could change things of course. I was attending a Wisconsin church yesterday and I carried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted May 2, 2016 at 07:27 PM Share Posted May 2, 2016 at 07:27 PM I was attending a Wisconsin church yesterday and I carried. Can I get an "amen"??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marie Posted May 2, 2016 at 08:18 PM Share Posted May 2, 2016 at 08:18 PM When I visited Michigan last year, I asked the priest of the Orthodox parish I attended that Sunday if I could carry. He said yes, as long as it was concealed. Told him we couldn't open carry at all in IL. He wasn't surprised I was a shooter, since we went shooting the day before (priest is a FB friend). . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplant Posted May 3, 2016 at 12:44 AM Share Posted May 3, 2016 at 12:44 AM Google Shepherd v Madigan and Moore v MadiganIllinois will never ever have a ban on carry in churchNever say never in Illinois when it comes to restricting the peasants privileges. It will never happen because the antis know they will get spanked in court, and if they forget, they'll get spanked in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abolt243 Posted May 3, 2016 at 02:37 AM Share Posted May 3, 2016 at 02:37 AM Missouri's restricted areas do not carry force of law except for the federally restricted areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgranta Posted May 3, 2016 at 06:41 AM Share Posted May 3, 2016 at 06:41 AM In my opinion the state risks being held in contempt of court if they were to ban carry in church since one of the lead plaintiffs was in a church when nearly beaten to death and the 7th circuit sided with her and not the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted May 3, 2016 at 02:36 PM Share Posted May 3, 2016 at 02:36 PM In my opinion the state risks being held in contempt of court if they were to ban carry in church since one of the lead plaintiffs was in a church when nearly beaten to death and the 7th circuit sided with her and not the state.that CCW is permitted in the church is probably not stipulated in the ruling. However, Transplant and I as well as a couple other IC'rs got to see ICHV's Mark Walsh do a face palm, when reminded of the circumstances of the suit as he was discussing the legislative intent to ban carry in houses of worship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnderCover Posted May 3, 2016 at 07:56 PM Share Posted May 3, 2016 at 07:56 PM Just make sure there is not a school attached to the church. If so, schools is prohibited to carry. My church I attend is attached to a school so I cannot carry. It's a bummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted May 3, 2016 at 08:43 PM Share Posted May 3, 2016 at 08:43 PM Just make sure there is not a school attached to the church. If so, schools is prohibited to carry. My church I attend is attached to a school so I cannot carry. It's a bummer. That only applies if the school is in control of the property. For example... if you have property owned and operated by a church, and the church also operates a religious school... only the school is prohibited (unless the church decides to post anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaeghl Posted May 5, 2016 at 12:36 AM Share Posted May 5, 2016 at 12:36 AM Lemme get this straight..... IF a church has it's chapel/meeting hall/sacristy/church offices in one building, and the parochial school is in the building next door or across the driveway/alley, the church is good to go, but the school portion is still one of the 23 crash landings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted May 5, 2016 at 03:23 AM Share Posted May 5, 2016 at 03:23 AM Lemme get this straight..... IF a church has it's chapel/meeting hall/sacristy/church offices in one building, and the parochial school is in the building next door or across the driveway/alley, the church is good to go, but the school portion is still one of the 23 crash landings? Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKay Posted May 5, 2016 at 11:25 AM Share Posted May 5, 2016 at 11:25 AM Unless they choose to post the whole building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walleyeb1 Posted May 5, 2016 at 04:21 PM Share Posted May 5, 2016 at 04:21 PM This topic came up in the CC class I attended back in March. Got a little heated but no definitive answer came out of it. The discussion centered around the "pre-school or child care facility" language in the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 5, 2016 at 04:41 PM Share Posted May 5, 2016 at 04:41 PM The prohibition relies on the area being "under control" of the school and singles out portions of a building when a pre-school is involved. (430 ILCS 66/65) Sec. 65. Prohibited areas. (a) A licensee under this Act shall not knowingly carry a firearm on or into: (1) Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of a public or private elementary or secondary school. (2) Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of a pre-school or child care facility, including any room or portion of a building under the control of a pre-school or child care facility. ... If the church controls the school then the church is not prohibited unless posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walleyeb1 Posted May 5, 2016 at 05:35 PM Share Posted May 5, 2016 at 05:35 PM The prohibition relies on the area being "under control" of the school and singles out portions of a building when a pre-school is involved. (430 ILCS 66/65) Sec. 65. Prohibited areas. (a) A licensee under this Act shall not knowingly carry a firearm on or into:(1) Any building, real property, and parking areaunder the control of a public or private elementary orsecondary school.(2) Any building, real property, and parking areaunder the control of a pre-school or child care facility,including any room or portion of a building under thecontrol of a pre-school or child care facility.... If the church controls the school then the church is not prohibited unless posted. The argument that took place was about child care and pre-school provided within the church itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marie Posted May 5, 2016 at 05:56 PM Share Posted May 5, 2016 at 05:56 PM I visited an area church for a special event. I didn't know they had a school. If you just went through the church main doors, not posted. But if you needed to use the bathrooms, which are off the gym, you were then in the school and prohibited location. Doors into gym were posted as is the exterior side entrance door into the school area. When I figured out what was going on, I went back out to my car and disarmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted May 5, 2016 at 06:22 PM Share Posted May 5, 2016 at 06:22 PM The prohibition relies on the area being "under control" of the school and singles out portions of a building when a pre-school is involved. (430 ILCS 66/65) Sec. 65. Prohibited areas. (a) A licensee under this Act shall not knowingly carry a firearm on or into:(1) Any building, real property, and parking areaunder the control of a public or private elementary orsecondary school.(2) Any building, real property, and parking areaunder the control of a pre-school or child care facility,including any room or portion of a building under thecontrol of a pre-school or child care facility.... If the church controls the school then the church is not prohibited unless posted. The argument that took place was about child care and pre-school provided within the church itself. That's where the "including any room or portion of a building under the control of a pre-school or child care facility." part comes into play. The overall property is in control of a church... thus, not prohibited. Within that church, there is a room/wing/etc that functions as a pre-school or child care facility. Those areas would be prohibited, while the rest of the church would not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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