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#1 Gooch

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 06:20 AM

Sorry about the topic title..... :woohoo:

Read this article at LP.org this morning and it intrigued me. I've always voted my conscience (Libertarian) as I have never bought into the philosophy that R's are better than D's (both parties are nauseating in my opinion). But what I find most interesting about the authors comments below is his opinion on Jimmy Carter. Now, since I was just a kid during the Carter years, and really have done no research on that era in history, could their be some merit to the authors comments about Mr. Carter?

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What is somewhat surprising is that Dr. Eland ranks Jimmy Carter as “The Best Modern President” at #8 (restrained foreign policy/evenhanded Middle East policy/deregulated industries/appointed Paul Volcker to the Fed, who then slayed inflation). Eland even ranked Bill Clinton as the 11th best president on his PP&L scale, so he thinks that over the last forty years, Democratic presidents have actually been more libertarian than Republican presidents.

According to Dr. Eland, to find a Republican president who ranks higher in his PP&L rankings than Jimmy Carter, one must go all the way back to Warren Harding. And, to write that pains me; the Marion Harding Presidents (what else would their nickname be?) were rivals with my Findlay Trojans in the Buckeye Conference when I was in high school.

What I took away from Dr. Eland’s enlightening book was that the frequently heard advice to libertarians and supporters of small government to not “waste their vote,” and to hold their nose and vote Republican, makes about as much sense as the headline at the beginning of this column. The people who have done that over the last several decades need to look around and observe what that admonition has wrought.



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Posted 05 March 2012 - 08:04 AM

Thanks for sharing - that's a very interesting alternate take on the "wasted vote" argument.

Personally I've always argued against the "wasted vote" mentality on its fundamental principles (that until enough people "waste" their votes enough times, public perception of the viability of 3rd parties won't turn and we'll remain in a vicious circle)...

But this is a good, practical point: why does everyone seem to take it for granted that a libertarian vote would otherwise be a Republican one? That's a pretty shaky assumption, and I guess the book referred in this article helps to explain why.
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Posted 05 March 2012 - 08:06 AM

p.s. can we move this topic to the back room?
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Posted 05 March 2012 - 09:38 AM

Personally I think that a "wasted vote" is when you hold your nose and vote for someone who you don't agree with.

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 10:46 AM

Any vote that fails to help get Obama out is a wasted vote. He is clearly the biggest danger.

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 11:29 AM

Vote Democratic?

AG Holder is using today to explain why it is okay to murder American citizens with no due process of law. They don't have to be convicted of anything, just act suspiciously.

But that's just Americans suspected of being terrorists, right?

Unless you are a Border patrol agent attempting to interdict the flow of illegals and drugs on the southwestern border, they can be murdered too if it helps expedite the erosion of the Second Amendment
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Posted 05 March 2012 - 02:37 PM

"Any vote that fails to help get Obama out is a wasted vote. He is clearly the biggest danger."

+1

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 03:17 PM

Vote Democratic?

AG Holder is using today to explain why it is okay to murder American citizens with no due process of law. They don't have to be convicted of anything, just act suspiciously.

But that's just Americans suspected of being terrorists, right?

Unless you are a Border patrol agent attempting to interdict the flow of illegals and drugs on the southwestern border, they can be murdered too if it helps expedite the erosion of the Second Amendment

I think the title was sarcasm, but ya...

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 12:55 PM

Any vote that fails to help get Obama out is a wasted vote. He is clearly the biggest danger.


Amen!!! Any vote for president that won't get Obama voted out of office is a terrible mistake! No Republican can do the harm that he is doing.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 02:36 PM

Any vote that fails to help get Obama out is a wasted vote. He is clearly the biggest danger.


Amen!!! Any vote for president that won't get Obama voted out of office is a terrible mistake! No Republican can do the harm that he is doing.

LOL..
If you say it enough people will.believe it, I guess.

Edited by Hossua, 06 March 2012 - 02:38 PM.


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Posted 06 March 2012 - 03:29 PM

Personally I think that a "wasted vote" is when you hold your nose and vote for someone who you don't agree with.


We'll see how you feel about that when you guys split the vote, Obama gets re-elected and SCOTUS goes 5-4 or 6-3 with anti gun justices in the majority and Heller or McDonald get overturned.
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Posted 06 March 2012 - 03:54 PM

Personally I think that a "wasted vote" is when you hold your nose and vote for someone who you don't agree with.


We'll see how you feel about that when you guys split the vote, Obama gets re-elected and SCOTUS goes 5-4 or 6-3 with anti gun justices in the majority and Heller or McDonald get overturned.

Show me a repub that hasnt supported ndaa and then I might jump on that wagon.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 03:55 PM

It's Illinois. A solidly "D" state. Obama is going to get ALL our electoral college votes.

I'm not voting for him (never had - never will) but pretending that an "R" vote in the general election matters in this state is... :)
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Posted 06 March 2012 - 04:08 PM

Any vote that fails to help get Obama out is a wasted vote. He is clearly the biggest danger.


Amen!!! Any vote for president that won't get Obama voted out of office is a terrible mistake! No Republican can do the harm that he is doing.

LOL..
If you say it enough people will.believe it, I guess.


Show me one who has done 1/2 as much damage to our country and our rights as "mr nanny state himself" Obama...

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 05:45 PM

Personally I think that a "wasted vote" is when you hold your nose and vote for someone who you don't agree with.


We'll see how you feel about that when you guys split the vote, Obama gets re-elected and SCOTUS goes 5-4 or 6-3 with anti gun justices in the majority and Heller or McDonald get overturned.

Show me a repub that hasnt supported ndaa and then I might jump on that wagon.


I would submit that repealing Obama care and keeping the supreme court are just a wee bit more important than ndaa.
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-Thomas Jefferson-

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 06:43 PM

I would submit that repealing Obama care and keeping the supreme court are just a wee bit more important than ndaa.

I don't know. If someone would support NDAA I am not sure I want them appointing justices. Unless Ron Paul gets the nomination I am voting third party. The Republican party has made it abundantly clear it only cares about the constitution when they can use it to beat up on Democrats.
I don't believe Romney will repeal Obama care.

Edited by Hossua, 06 March 2012 - 06:48 PM.