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Oh, and Trump has been implicated in a felony as of this week. So yes, there are absolutely signs that point to him doing something illegal.

 

I am out of the country right now, but wasn't he officially labeled an 'unindicted co-conspirator' this week?

 

 

Well, looks like the trolls showed up. you forgot your hillary hat

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I am out of the country right now, but wasn't he officially labeled an 'unindicted co-conspirator' this week?

 

 

 

Well, looks like the trolls showed up. you forgot your hillary hat

 

 

Telling the truth is "trolling"?

 

 

Let's just pretend it didn't happen?

 

Sounds like some "alternate facts" really got a hold of you.

 

 

 

 

Scott (and those with their heads in the sand), here's what happened this past week:

 

 

 

President Donald Trump's former longtime lawyer Michael Cohen's Tuesday testimony under oath in federal court implicated his old boss as an unindicted co-conspirator to a crime.

 

Under most circumstances, prosecutors would soon seek to file charges against Trump. But Trump is no ordinary subject.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/michael-cohen-testimony-implicates-trump-co-conspirator-2018-8

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Not excusing any illegal or unethical actions by the president but, I have a great deal of difficulty taking any critics seriously who were not equally outraged over Obama's, Hillary's, Holder's, Lerner's, etc. abusive, unethical, and illegal activities committed WHILE IN OFFICE.

 

Are the critics critical of the actions, or of the man? Have they been demanding investigations into those allegations as energetically as they are expecting and supporting investigations of this administration?

 

If not, it's hypocrisy.

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Not excusing any illegal or unethical actions by the president but, I have a great deal of difficulty taking any critics seriously who were not equally outraged over Obama's, Hillary's, Holder's, Lerner's, etc. abusive, unethical, and illegal activities committed WHILE IN OFFICE.

 

Are the critics critical of the actions, or of the man? Have they been demanding investigations into those allegations as energetically as they are expecting and supporting investigations of this administration?

 

If not, it's hypocrisy.

 

Sounds like that's actually exactly what you're doing.

 

Obama violated the constitution with FISA court structuring, warrant-less drone strikes, and many other things. However, in this thread, we're not talking about Holder, Obama, Clinton, or anyone but Trump here. Not sure why you're bringing it up, unless you're attempting to deflect from or excuse Trump's terrible, illegal, unethical, and unconstitutional behavior.

 

How are you holding him accountable for this?

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Great post rmart. My question is, do these liberals really understand how foolish they sound? You can take ANY negative issue Trump has had since his election and find it duplicated in spades by his liberal predecessors. Maybe we should all contribute to buy mirrors for the liberals.

 

I shudder to think that all these Trump haters would have rather seen Clinton get in. I truly believe Trumps win at least delays us from going full socialist.

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Great post rmart. My question is, do these liberals really understand how foolish they sound? You can take ANY negative issue Trump has had since his election and find it duplicated in spades by his liberal predecessors. Maybe we should all contribute to buy mirrors for the liberals.

 

I shudder to think that all these Trump haters would have rather seen Clinton get in. I truly believe Trumps win at least delays us from going full socialist.

 

They sound less foolish than trump supporters. I understand going down with the ship but babbling nonsensical support is not a good look

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Not excusing any illegal or unethical actions by the president but, I have a great deal of difficulty taking any critics seriously who were not equally outraged over Obama's, Hillary's, Holder's, Lerner's, etc. abusive, unethical, and illegal activities committed WHILE IN OFFICE.

 

Are the critics critical of the actions, or of the man? Have they been demanding investigations into those allegations as energetically as they are expecting and supporting investigations of this administration?

 

If not, it's hypocrisy.

 

Sounds like that's actually exactly what you're doing.

 

Obama violated the constitution with FISA court structuring, warrant-less drone strikes, and many other things. However, in this thread, we're not talking about Holder, Obama, Clinton, or anyone but Trump here. Not sure why you're bringing it up, unless you're attempting to deflect from or excuse Trump's terrible, illegal, unethical, and unconstitutional behavior.

 

How are you holding him accountable for this?

 

 

Where you do you get that I'm supporting him or attempting to deflect? I'm not excusing him at all. Let's see where the investigation leads.

What I do see is selective outrage from a lot of people, especially leftists, progressives, and those in the mass-market media.

 

If Trump is guilty then let him swing. I just find it a little hypocritical to see people drooling from the prospect of Trump going down but where were they during when the improprieties of those on the left were being discovered?

 

Trump is being investigated for one primary reason. Because he's Trump. If Hillary had been elected NONE of this would have seen the light of day. And, none of her improprieties including collusion with Russians is even being investigated by officials.

So, if you're going to celebrate Trump going down, at least be intellectually honest enough to be demanding official investigations by the DOJ into the Hillary campaign and the DNC.

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Not excusing any illegal or unethical actions by the president but, I have a great deal of difficulty taking any critics seriously who were not equally outraged over Obama's, Hillary's, Holder's, Lerner's, etc. abusive, unethical, and illegal activities committed WHILE IN OFFICE.

 

Are the critics critical of the actions, or of the man? Have they been demanding investigations into those allegations as energetically as they are expecting and supporting investigations of this administration?

 

If not, it's hypocrisy.

 

Sounds like that's actually exactly what you're doing.

 

Obama violated the constitution with FISA court structuring, warrant-less drone strikes, and many other things. However, in this thread, we're not talking about Holder, Obama, Clinton, or anyone but Trump here. Not sure why you're bringing it up, unless you're attempting to deflect from or excuse Trump's terrible, illegal, unethical, and unconstitutional behavior.

 

How are you holding him accountable for this?

 

 

Where you do you get that I'm supporting him or attempting to deflect? I'm not excusing him at all. Let's see where the investigation leads.

What I do see is selective outrage from a lot of people, especially leftists, progressives, and those in the mass-market media.

 

If Trump is guilty then let him swing. I just find it a little hypocritical to see people drooling from the prospect of Trump going down but where were they during when the improprieties of those on the left were being discovered?

 

Trump is being investigated for one primary reason. Because he's Trump. If Hillary had been elected NONE of this would have seen the light of day. And, none of her improprieties including collusion with Russians is even being investigated by officials.

So, if you're going to celebrate Trump going down, at least be intellectually honest enough to be demanding official investigations by the DOJ into the Hillary campaign and the DNC.

 

 

So you're not letting him off the hook, but you're claiming that he's only being investigated "because he's Trump"?

 

I am not celebrating Trump "going down", I'm embarrassed that the nation has this man as it's commander-in-chief. Not because of who he is, but because of the lies he's told, and what's he's done.

 

I hope he's innocent of these charges and what might come (money laundering, etc), because him being guilty would be an embarrassment to this nation.

 

That said, the writing on the wall seems pretty clear: he's not a man willing to uphold the constitution or the office which he has been elected to.

 

Nothing Clinton does, did, or will do, is going to change that.

 

So again, where are you holding him accountable?

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Hold him accountable for what? He's not been convicted of anything. Besides, who am I?

When the investigation can prove he's guilty of something more significant than just 'lying' then he can be held accountable.

 

Can you point to one politician that doesn't 'lie'? Every single politician lies and accuses their opponent of lying. Doesn't necessarily mean he's lying.

And, unless it's done under oath, lying is not a crime.

 

I'm not trying to hold Trump or Clinton accountable at this point. I don't know enough FACTS. I'm holding hypocrites accountable for their selective umbrage.

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Hold him accountable for what? He's not been convicted of anything. Besides, who am I?

When the investigation can prove he's guilty of something more significant than just 'lying' then he can be held accountable.

 

Can you point to one politician that doesn't 'lie'? Every single politician lies and accuses their opponent of lying. Doesn't necessarily mean he's lying.

And, unless it's done under oath, lying is not a crime.

 

I'm not trying to hold Trump or Clinton accountable at this point. I don't know enough FACTS. I'm holding hypocrites accountable for their selective umbrage.

 

You stated you weren't

 

excusing any illegal or unethical actions by the president

 

Then you proceeded to do just that.

 

Do you believe that hte president has engaged in any illegal or unethical actions?

 

If you're "nobody" ("besides, who am I?"), then why comment on it in the first place?

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This is a pointless conversation.

 

What I 'believe' doesn't matter. And, for the sake of my argument which is addressing selective outrage, whether he did anything illegal or unethical at all doesn't even matter.

What I did say is 'If Trump is guilty then let him swing.' so, I'm not excusing him at all.

 

What matters is FACTS and equal application of the law. This is not being done here.

 

You sir are trying to deflect from my points. I will also grant you the last word on the subject.

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Seems to be a regular theme in a number of forums-accountability starts now.

 

Forget that there have been no indictments. That would be living in denial.

Forget most anything Hillary did, that is deflecting.

Forget where the economy, the stock market, unemployment, etc are. That is making excuses.

 

Knowing what Hillary as President would have put us thru by now, I find it hard to believe that alleged lying, smoke and more smoke are worth all the high brow posturing.

 

We had a President who bombed more countries than any other President since WW2, who kept an assassination list in the oval office, targeted and killed at least a half dozen American citizens, muslims even, and yet was awarded the nobel peace prize.

The pious and sanctimony in 2018 just come off as a little plastic.

Give them two years and see what they dig up on every poster here.

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EVERYONE, including the talking heads on NPR (which is what I listen to), have to ask, "what has he done, and is it a crime?".

Because he hasn't done anything specifically wrong to warrant this type of search. Paying off an ex-lover to keep quiet is not illegal.

To me it looks like a witch hunt.

It's an unwarranted investigation looking for a crime.

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The Trump haters seem to be having a feeding frenzy with all the Mannifort, Comey, pay-offs to Playboy models, porn star, yadda yadda stuff. If you go to CNN or something like that it sounds like they're fixin' to run Trump out of town on a rail.

If you listen to Levin on Fox he says it's mostly harrasment.

I'm not trying to start an argument. I'm just trying to get a clear picture of what's going on. Personally, I think Trump is tackling some tough issues. He is what he is. We didn't elect a choir boy. We elected a man to get the job done.

He's stood a lot of heat and come out just fine in the past. Is this just more of the same? I personally hope so.

 

I'm just looking for a sane interpretation of what is transpiring in the news.

What do you think?

Trump so far has not done anything criminal. Unethical? That depends on your ethical views. If anything, Trump paying hush money begs the question, was he being blackmailed? If so there are a lot of people that he paid off that could be in real trouble.

 

As for the Russian nonsense, Mueller appears to be coming up dry, and is digging up decode old dirt to make his investigation seem fruitful. Still no investigation into Clinton? She was colluding with Russians and other foreign governments, and filed a fake dossier to gain access federal resources to spy on Trump, and planted people in his campaign. Where is the investigation?

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Still no investigation into Clinton? She was colluding with Russians and other foreign governments, and filed a fake dossier to gain access federal resources to spy on Trump, and planted people in his campaign. Where is the investigation?

 

 

This one leaves me scratching my head still to this day, we know for a fact Clinton/DNC funneled money into a Canadian law firm to pay a British national, who in turn literally colluded with several Russian citizens to dig up dirt on Trump, and then that dossier was used in part by the Obama administration to spy and launch an investigation into a rival candidate during an election. I do fully understand that the dossier was initially started by some fellow Republicans, and IMO they too should be investigated for their level of involvement in the dossier. I just don't understand how this for all intents being entirely ignored when the entire media cycle for over two years has been about Russian boogyman collusion and interference?

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I haven't spent time examining all the posts in this thread,

but in my opinion all the national media is being carefully

orchestrated to build to an anti-trump / anti-republican

scream of murderous hatred the night before the polls open

for the November election.

 

my fondest hope:

that the screamers slip up so badly that they out

themselves and leave themselves open to charges themselves.

 

 

As it is, the FBI has really stepped in it, and it ain't gonna clean off...

There are TWO FBI's now:

the Real FBI

the fantasy FBI of Hollywood concoction that is trying to shore up the REAL FBI...

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This thread illustrates exactly why Illinois is in the position it’s in and why our gun rights have a January 2019 expiration date on them.

 

Agreed!!!

 

Yes.... Trump is in serious trouble. The Mueller investigation into "Obstruction of Justice" and the bigger one, New York Prosecutors looking into " Campaign Finance Violations". Only a matter of time before all is reveled.

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