ShaunLashley Posted April 6, 2019 at 03:52 PM Share Posted April 6, 2019 at 03:52 PM So after a long battle I was granted my CCL. Purchased my first firearm through Buds. Once I get to my FFL filled out paperwork, and my background check was delayed 4/6/2019(Saturday). Does anyone know how long these delays take ? Was really looking forward to get some shooting in this weekend and sign up for a few tactical fire classes ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukemason Posted April 6, 2019 at 03:56 PM Share Posted April 6, 2019 at 03:56 PM Delays aren’t unusual for me. They’ve always been approved by the end of the required 3 day waiting period, so it hasn’t been a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunLashley Posted April 6, 2019 at 05:03 PM Author Share Posted April 6, 2019 at 05:03 PM Delays aren’t unusual for me. They’ve always been approved by the end of the required 3 day waiting period, so it hasn’t been a problem.Is there anyway to prevent this ? So many of my hurdles have been mainily because of my name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted April 6, 2019 at 05:22 PM Share Posted April 6, 2019 at 05:22 PM Delays aren’t unusual for me. They’ve always been approved by the end of the required 3 day waiting period, so it hasn’t been a problem. Is there anyway to prevent this ? So many of my hurdles have been mainily because of my name.Try changing your name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted April 6, 2019 at 05:29 PM Share Posted April 6, 2019 at 05:29 PM Is there anyway to prevent this ? So many of my hurdles have been mainily because of my name. Delays because of name/address can be avoided by providing your SSN to disambiguate yourself. So what's worth more to you? (And some FFLs won't enter the SSN into the system, anyway, even if you provide it.) The FFLs that I have used have said delays went up after Parkland, although I haven't seen much delay, myself. So I guess it can vary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunLashley Posted April 6, 2019 at 05:37 PM Author Share Posted April 6, 2019 at 05:37 PM Is there anyway to prevent this ? So many of my hurdles have been mainily because of my name.Delays because of name/address can be avoided by providing your SSN to disambiguate yourself.So what's worth more to you? (And some FFLs won't enter the SSN into the system, anyway, even if you provide it.)The FFLs that I have used have said delays went up after Parkland, although I haven't seen much delay, myself.So I guess it can vary.Exactly what my FFL said. Would have no problem providing SS# if it eases the process. Seems like the bad guys can get guns faster than the good guys with all the BS Illinois has us doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illini2A312 Posted April 6, 2019 at 06:37 PM Share Posted April 6, 2019 at 06:37 PM I think delays can also be caused by a potential Soundex match, which to my knowledge is what ISP uses during the process. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted April 6, 2019 at 07:08 PM Share Posted April 6, 2019 at 07:08 PM deleted as the color and spell check are not playing nicely today........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH8IL Posted April 6, 2019 at 07:20 PM Share Posted April 6, 2019 at 07:20 PM Is there anyway to prevent this ? So many of my hurdles have been mainily because of my name.Delays because of name/address can be avoided by providing your SSN to disambiguate yourself.So what's worth more to you? (And some FFLs won't enter the SSN into the system, anyway, even if you provide it.)The FFLs that I have used have said delays went up after Parkland, although I haven't seen much delay, myself.So I guess it can vary.I’ve heard of delays even with ssn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted April 6, 2019 at 10:14 PM Share Posted April 6, 2019 at 10:14 PM Last time my Dad bought a pistol, he was told the state police site was down and they could not do the back ground check and that the 3 day waiting period would NOT start until he had cleared the background. Waited almost 2 weeks to get it all done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggun 1 Posted April 7, 2019 at 02:13 AM Share Posted April 7, 2019 at 02:13 AM Delays aren’t unusual for me. They’ve always been approved by the end of the required 3 day waiting period, so it hasn’t been a problem.same for me,a buddy and myself both purchased identical firearms from the same place at the same time,he was instantly approved and as usual i was delayed but was approved before the 72 hour waiting period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmcc Posted April 7, 2019 at 03:24 AM Share Posted April 7, 2019 at 03:24 AM Was it NICS or ISP that was causing the delay? News a month or so ago said ISP was short a few hundred staff, and then after Peoria the were under scrutiny. They seem to be way backed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunLashley Posted April 7, 2019 at 09:20 AM Author Share Posted April 7, 2019 at 09:20 AM Was it NICS or ISP that was causing the delay?News a month or so ago said ISP was short a few hundred staff, and then after Peoria the were under scrutiny.They seem to be way backed up.NICS. The legal process is getting so ridiculous. Just jumped through a million loops to get my CCL (background checks, fingerprints etc ) now yet another background check and delay lol. Illinois is a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted April 7, 2019 at 03:23 PM Share Posted April 7, 2019 at 03:23 PM Would a person using your identity or SS number cause any chaos on NICS checks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH8IL Posted April 7, 2019 at 07:23 PM Share Posted April 7, 2019 at 07:23 PM Was it NICS or ISP that was causing the delay?News a month or so ago said ISP was short a few hundred staff, and then after Peoria the were under scrutiny.They seem to be way backed up.NICS. The legal process is getting so ridiculous. Just jumped through a million loops to get my CCL (background checks, fingerprints etc ) now yet another background check and delay lol. Illinois is a jokeIts not just IL. Google nics delay and you’ll see its not just here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJim Posted April 7, 2019 at 07:26 PM Share Posted April 7, 2019 at 07:26 PM Would a person using your identity or SS number cause any chaos on NICS checks?Depending on what they get caught doing they could make you a banned person. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzimike66 Posted April 8, 2019 at 09:31 PM Share Posted April 8, 2019 at 09:31 PM I think delays can also be caused by a potential Soundex match, which to my knowledge is what ISP uses during the process. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundex Took my renewal class yesterday and instructor said the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw45 Posted April 9, 2019 at 12:22 AM Share Posted April 9, 2019 at 12:22 AM How could you tell it was NICS? Illinois runs its own background check system FTIP, end users usually have no information on where the delay in the system is. Also unless the system has changed recently, your SS number is not submitted with an FTIP check. So it would make no difference. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnyb82 Posted April 9, 2019 at 12:10 PM Share Posted April 9, 2019 at 12:10 PM I've got a very common name (for felons, apparently) so I'm always delayed. I don't bother providing my SSN. If it can't be figured out that I'm not a guy in Tomah, Wisconsin, who is 20 years older than I am, then they have a problem. Usually only a few hours but I haven't bought anything in a couple years (yeah I know, get on it). I did have one where I was delayed close to 72 hours but that was when FTIP was all jacked up (when isn't it?). Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted April 9, 2019 at 12:28 PM Share Posted April 9, 2019 at 12:28 PM You're not fooling anyone, there's no skinny people in Wisconsin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnyb82 Posted April 9, 2019 at 12:59 PM Share Posted April 9, 2019 at 12:59 PM You're not fooling anyone, there's no skinny people in Wisconsin!Hahaha we get a block of cheese and a shotgun at birth. There's a guy with my exact first name, middle initial, last, who's a serial felon. Addresses, DOB, nothing else matches up. Ran my name through the WI court records database and this guy is a winner. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted April 9, 2019 at 03:00 PM Share Posted April 9, 2019 at 03:00 PM SkinnyB, SkinnyB, SkinnyB We can start a GoFme fund and get you a name change! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjs81866 Posted April 10, 2019 at 11:50 AM Share Posted April 10, 2019 at 11:50 AM For me the mandatory waiting period is always a joke anyway; most of the time it takes far longer for the background check to come back then the waiting period by far. Always comes back ok eventually but it takes forever. My FFL is a patrol sergeant and he says there is really nothing you can do. He doesn't recommend using your SS card as it gets filled out on the form but not entered in the database anyways. So once on the form there it stays. Probably not a good idea for identity sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blknite1976 Posted October 17, 2019 at 08:37 PM Share Posted October 17, 2019 at 08:37 PM So on this same topic. Back on 10/05 I went to my FFL and bought a new deer gun, nothing fancy just a lever action. Anyway fast forward to today and I am still waiting for my background check to go through. Every time I call to check I get the same answer, it's delayed. Is this the new normal, or a one off situation? The last gun I bought about 6 months ago I had no issues, I waited the 3 days and picked it up without delay. I have an uncommon last name, I also have my CCL and a C&R license from the Feds. I know I didn't do anything wrong, but I can't figure out where the hiccup is and who to call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted October 17, 2019 at 08:51 PM Share Posted October 17, 2019 at 08:51 PM So on this same topic. Back on 10/05 I went to my FFL and bought a new deer gun, nothing fancy just a lever action. Anyway fast forward to today and I am still waiting for my background check to go through. Every time I call to check I get the same answer, it's delayed. Is this the new normal, or a one off situation? The last gun I bought about 6 months ago I had no issues, I waited the 3 days and picked it up without delay. I have an uncommon last name, I also have my CCL and a C&R license from the Feds. I know I didn't do anything wrong, but I can't figure out where the hiccup is and who to call. I'm going to say one off, uncommon name or not something tossed up a flag. I bought an AR lower last week, the proceed came through on the stores computer instantly, picked up 3 days later. If the NICs system is still holding at 'delayed' and it's been 72 hours there is nothing stopping the FFL from completing the sale and handing the firearm over to you, albeit many won't complete the sale, so you might be forced to appeal to get NICs butt in gear. A "Delayed" message from the NICS indicates the subject of a NICS background check has been matched with a similar name and similar descriptive information associated with a record containing a potential state or federal firearm prohibition. The NICS Section must obtain additional information before making a final determination of a Proceed or Denied for the firearm transfer. The NICS Section is afforded three business days in which to conduct this research. If the NICS Section is unable to provide either a Proceed or Denied response to the Federal Firearms Licensee within three business days, the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993 does not prohibit the Federal Firearms Licensee, or FFL, from transferring the firearm; however, the FFL is not required to do so. https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/nics/national-instant-criminal-background-check-system-nics-appeals-vaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gator4838 Posted October 17, 2019 at 09:07 PM Share Posted October 17, 2019 at 09:07 PM My ffl has always made himself available to answer any pertinent questions I might have,normally via text.the waiting is the hardest,especially for your ccl and first handgun.I have not had a problem with a extended wait,but now days,after multiple purchases,I don't really concern myself to much,he contacts me and I go get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted October 17, 2019 at 11:38 PM Share Posted October 17, 2019 at 11:38 PM If the NICs system is still holding at 'delayed' and it's been 72 hours there is nothing stopping the FFL from completing the sale and handing the firearm over to you, albeit many won't complete the sale, so you might be forced to appeal to get NICs butt in gear. IL doesn't use the NICS system.Per the ISP interpretation... ...What happens if a customer orders a firearm, and when he comes into pick it up, ISP issues something other than an approval on the FTIP? The actual transfer of the firearm cannot take place until there is an approval from the FTIP system, regardless of when the agreement was reached. If the FFL receives a transaction number, they cannot complete the transfer until they receive an approval.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted October 18, 2019 at 12:01 AM Share Posted October 18, 2019 at 12:01 AM If the NICs system is still holding at 'delayed' and it's been 72 hours there is nothing stopping the FFL from completing the sale and handing the firearm over to you, albeit many won't complete the sale, so you might be forced to appeal to get NICs butt in gear. IL doesn't use the NICS system.Per the ISP interpretation......What happens if a customer orders a firearm, and when he comes into pick it up, ISP issues something other than an approval on the FTIP?The actual transfer of the firearm cannot take place until there is an approval from the FTIP system, regardless of when the agreement was reached. If the FFL receives a transaction number, they cannot complete the transfer until they receive an approval....So state law/approval is overriding federal law/approval? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw45 Posted October 18, 2019 at 12:42 AM Share Posted October 18, 2019 at 12:42 AM Illinois is not over riding anything. States are free to do a back ground check however they want. It all goes back years ago before federal instant back ground checks were in use to the Brady Bill and initially included a federal 5 day waiting period. Many states have moved to just using NICS, but they are not required to. People get this confused all the time, state vs Federal. An FFL is required to do a back ground check before transferring a firearm, that is all. Nothing says how they have to do it. Some states allow a concealed carry permit holder to bypass the check, as they have already passed one if their permit is currently valid. Show your permit, fill out paper work and leave with your new firearm. The permit info is filled out in place of a back ground check. They do have to get ATF approval before allowing carry permits to substitute for a back ground check. Also only the Feds have a law saying back ground checks must be purged after a certain time frame (although if they do so is questionable). Illinois does not have that destruction requirement. The Feds have a 72hr time frame on returning back ground checks, other wise the transfer can proceed. This was included to keep delayed back ground checks from being used to deprive citizens from transferring a fire arm. The ISP interpretation of delayed back ground checks has already been posted. Extra credit for any one who actually looks up the law regarding back ground checks. It has been a few years since I did, and I don’t have time right now. Unless it has changed recently or my reading was incorrect It might be worthy of its own thread. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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