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#1 capotwosix

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Posted 06 August 2018 - 07:29 AM

Risk Protection Order is forcing hundreds of Florida residents to forfeit and give up their guns, and since the law has been enacted, more than 450 residents have been stripped of firearms, ammunition, and accories, according to a new report.

Below is a link to the Guns & Gadgets video. Its only 3:50 long and worth a watch. He is a LEO in MA and is very pro second amendment, and also an avid fighter for 2A rights and keeping people updated on all gun control/and pro gun related cases nation wide.

Anyone who does not think our recently passed Red Flag bill wont be abused is either comprised or blinded by the powers that be, and the lengths that they are willing go to disarm Americans.

Why do we allow any comprise on the 2A, when clearly history has shown we have gained nothing in return. Some of you may be ok with the death by a thousand paper cuts, but I will not stand for it. Would you bend over if they made the same erroneous laws regarding any other right protected by the constitution? Why have we sunk so far as to allow these people to walk all over use? Call me a purists, the the forefathers wrote Shall not be Infringed for a very specific reason, a reason they felt only needed to be addressed in the 2nd amendment. The very idea that the right of the people to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed, because thats the tool in which they defend all other god givin rights. What about due process? Are you willing to allow career politicians, unelected officials and career buercrats dictate the further of our nation? The future our children and grandchildren will have to live with?

Now is not the time to comprise, nor should we ever. Innocent until proven guilty.

With all due respect, but some of you need to wake up, before its too late. That is if its not too late already. Im not comfortable having my rights dictated and used as a political pawn in backdoor meetings.

Just some food for thought.
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#2 Molly B.

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Posted 06 August 2018 - 08:04 AM

1. The law passed in Illinois is not the same as the law passed in FL.

 

2. When the Republicans come to you and say, "we are passing this bill" and Republican leadership in both the House and Senate refuse to hold their caucus to the Second Amendment line. 

 

3. When the vote tally is 80-32 in the House and they only needed 61, 43-11 in the Senate and they only needed 30, you get sick to your stomach but know in your heart you did everything you could.

 

Fighting for every inch of rights you can keep is not compromise - it's self-preservation or in this case rights-preservation.  If this law is abused in IL there will be lawsuits.


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Posted 06 August 2018 - 09:10 AM

It was abused? Color me shocked.

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Posted 06 August 2018 - 09:09 AM

1. The law passed in Illinois is not the same as the law passed in FL.
 
2. When the Republicans come to you and say, "we are passing this bill" and Republican leadership in both the House and Senate refuse to hold their caucus to the Second Amendment line. 
 
3. When the vote tally is 80-32 in the House and they only needed 61, 43-11 in the Senate and they only needed 30, you get sick to your stomach but know in your heart you did everything you could.
 
Fighting for every inch of rights you can keep is not compromise - it's self-preservation or in this case rights-preservation.  If this law is abused in IL there will be lawsuits.


Molly, I truly appreciate all the work you do. You helped me get my CCW when I lost all hope, just as the many others you’ve helped. And that will never be forgotten, although it is ridiculous many of us had to endure this blatant government over each and undermining of our right to self-preservation.

However, there comes a tipping point where we must stand up together, an no longer allow politicians both dems and RINOS alike dictate the freedom and liberty this nation was founded upon. Because it won’t be long before we’ve turned into the next California. The entire point of the American way is that “we the people” dictate our future. Not career bought and paid for politicians, or lobbyist groups. We are a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy that can be run by mob rule.

No matter the calls, emails, slips, rally’s we fill out and attend, still hasn’t gotten the point across. Now is not the time to be on the defensive. The left is playing the long game, and we’re failing right into their trap. They destroyed California, now they’ve moved onto Texas, Idaho, Oregon, etc etc. The writing is on the wall. Now is the time for patriots to rally and demand our elected representatives to be held constitutionally accountable. When you swear an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, against enemies both, forgien and DOMESTIC, that is an oath you don’t break. It doesn’t give you the power to interpret it the way you see fit, or whoever the money behind the puppet tells them to.

We have the Executive, Senate, and House. Their are traitors on both sides, and if we the people aren’t going to stand up and say enough, then I’m afraid we’ve already lost.

God bless
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Posted 06 August 2018 - 09:53 AM

The Serenity prayer, helps me deal with the state of Illinois. 

For those lucky enough not to know it, if you care it's not hard to find (google).

I don't want to offend anyone posting it, it has those three letters in it which start with G and end with d. 


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#6 Molly B.

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Posted 06 August 2018 - 10:00 AM

 

 



However, there comes a tipping point where we must stand up together, and no longer allow politicians both dems and RINOS alike dictate the freedom and liberty this nation was founded upon. 

 

 

 

And to understand the legislative process, once they are in office, we the people have no control over them.  What you are saying here can only be done at the ballot box and vote the sons of benches out of office.  And of course, civil disobedience.

 


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Posted 06 August 2018 - 10:02 AM

 


 
Fighting for every inch of rights you can keep is not compromise - it's self-preservation or in this case rights-preservation.  If this law is abused in IL there will be lawsuits.

Molly, I truly appreciate all the work you do. You helped me get my CCW when I lost all hope, just as the many others you’ve helped. And that will never be forgotten, although it is ridiculous many of us had to endure this blatant government over each and undermining of our right to self-preservation.

However, there comes a tipping point where we must stand up together, an no longer allow politicians both dems and RINOS alike dictate the freedom and liberty this nation was founded upon. Because it won’t be long before we’ve turned into the next California. The entire point of the American way is that “we the people” dictate our future. Not career bought and paid for politicians, or lobbyist groups. We are a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy that can be run by mob rule.

No matter the calls, emails, slips, rally’s we fill out and attend, still hasn’t gotten the point across. Now is not the time to be on the defensive. The left is playing the long game, and we’re failing right into their trap. They destroyed California, now they’ve moved onto Texas, Idaho, Oregon, etc etc. The writing is on the wall. Now is the time for patriots to rally and demand our elected representatives to be held constitutionally accountable. When you swear an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, against enemies both, forgien and DOMESTIC, that is an oath you don’t break. It doesn’t give you the power to interpret it the way you see fit, or whoever the money behind the puppet tells them to.

We have the Executive, Senate, and House. Their are traitors on both sides, and if we the people aren’t going to stand up and say enough, then I’m afraid we’ve already lost.

God bless

 

Lots of rhetoric.  Post is devoid of actual concrete actions to take to :stand up and say enough'.


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Posted 06 August 2018 - 10:41 AM


However, there comes a tipping point where we must stand up together, and no longer allow politicians both dems and RINOS alike dictate the freedom and liberty this nation was founded upon.
 
 
And to understand the legislative process, once they are in office, we the people have no control over them.  What you are saying here can only be done at the ballot box and vote the sons of benches out of office.  And of course, civil disobedience.

When the ballot box has failed time and time again, due to rigged elections, gerrymandering, voter fraud, illegals voting, etc... what’s next? The 2nd Amendment was written because they foresaw this coming. This is the very tyranny they fought to break away from. Have we as Americans giving up are fighting nature, have we gotten what those before us have done to ensure life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? I’m not enciting violence, but rather encouraging thought provoking discussion. I know I’m not the only one who feels this way, but it’s up to us to decide the course of action. Do you want to see Illinois fall to socialism flooded with illegals why veterans and working class Americans are cast off as an afterthought? While the political elite continue to stack their bank accounts while our infrastructure crumbles? There’s a lot more at stake than the 2nd, but if you fold on the 2nd, there’s no way to protect the rest.
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Posted 06 August 2018 - 10:47 AM

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Posted 06 August 2018 - 11:23 AM

Another important reason to make your vote count in November.



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Posted 06 August 2018 - 05:53 PM

Vote with your wallet......... that ballot means absolutely zero in Illinois........ basic math



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Posted 06 August 2018 - 05:57 PM


However, there comes a tipping point where we must stand up together, and no longer allow politicians both dems and RINOS alike dictate the freedom and liberty this nation was founded upon.
 
 
And to understand the legislative process, once they are in office, we the people have no control over them.  What you are saying here can only be done at the ballot box and vote the sons of benches out of office.  And of course, civil disobedience.

Civil disobedience? US??? Unlike criminal recipient "protestors," WE would most certainly be arrested.




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