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Oh...and...I'd prefer it if they taught the truth about Islam. My current Church is Lutheran and posted. They're also big on "interfaith" activities with the local mosque. I've tolerated about all I can concerning that. Christian churches should be taking the unapologetic stance that Mohammed is a false prophet. Period.

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I'll suggest a church in my church's denomination. Christ Covenant Chicago, Rolling Meadows. It is a small church that meets at the Rolling Meadows Community Church at 2 PM Sundays. It has a traditional service and weekly communion. I was at a meeting at that church maybe a year and a half ago and it wasn't posted. I'm sure you won't find Christ Covenat doing an "interfaith" service with Muslims.

I know the 2 elders and one is a hunter and definitely pro-gun may have a LTC, not sure on that. I'll ask my pastor Sunday if you are interested in checking them out.

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I'll suggest a church in my church's denomination. Christ Covenant Chicago, Rolling Meadows. It is a small church that meets at the Rolling Meadows Community Church at 2 PM Sundays. It has a traditional service and weekly communion. I was at a meeting at that church maybe a year and a half ago and it wasn't posted. I'm sure you won't find Christ Covenat doing an "interfaith" service with Muslims.

I know the 2 elders and one is a hunter and definitely pro-gun may have a LTC, not sure on that. I'll ask my pastor Sunday if you are interested in checking them out.

 

Thank you. I have considered Rolling Meadows Community Church. I drove by the entrances and didn't see any signs. Christ Covenant could be another viable option.

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ELCA?

Yes. They're a little too light in the loafers for my liking these days.

 

Our previous ELCA church was not posted. But, membership was dwindling to the point where the church could not be sustained. So, we merged with another ELCA church that is posted.

 

 

Oh, one thing I'll add...although the church was not posted, the previous pastor was anti-gun, anti-Republican, pro-illegal immigration, pro-refugee, etc.

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ELCA?

Yes. They're a little too light in the loafers for my liking these days.

 

Our previous ELCA church was not posted. But, membership was dwindling to the point where the church could not be sustained. So, we merged with another ELCA church that is posted.

 

 

Oh, one thing I'll add...although the church was not posted, the previous pastor was anti-gun, anti-Republican, pro-illegal immigration, pro-refugee, etc.

 

The profession does seem to attract those types.

 

"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"

 

That means to me that you work to change a law you don't like, you just don't break it, you wait until it is struck down.

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I'd like to reply to Mark the Sign Guys comment in post #10. He said "the profession seems to attract those types. I'll have to agree there certainly are some high profile examples of that. However I'd like to mention a minister in my church's denomination who doesn't have a problem with guns or people defending themselves. His name is Douglas Wilson and if you google "Gun Ownership as a Civic Virtue" you'll find the first entry will get you to his blog and website and an article he wrote by that name. I'm pretty sure in my denominaton a lot more ministers would agree with him than won't.
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You might want to check out a Lutheran Church that is part of the Missouri Synod. A tad bit more 'conservative' than ELCA, no female pastors and NO muslims standing in front of the alter screaming for Allah to help make all the Christians in the church proper dhimmis. (second class civilians, slaves in other words)

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While I subscribe to live and let live, and don't much care who, where or what anyone chooses to worship...I'd be remiss if I didn't let my Roman Catholic schooling indoctrination influence me to remind all you people shopping for a church with rules and views you approve of are all doing it wrong. We are supposed to submit to God's rules, not shop around for aset of rules that don't require any sacrifice on our part.

Taking the all or nothing approach as taught, I stopped going because I don't agree with the teaching and teachers in the one true church...so I suppose flames will lick my heels too...but at least I'll have company I agree with. No offense should be taken, but maybe consider the concept within the message if you're serious about salvation and sacrifice. What do I know? I'm just a guy trying to get to heaven exclusively by being nice to people.

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The ELCA is in bed with the Episcopalians. That should make anything with a head on their shoulders run screaming away!

 

I'm sure you mean the Episcopal Church USA, the large denomination. There is a smaller denomination called Reformed Episcopal Church U.S. which isn't in bed with the ELCA or other liberal churches. However they apparently have no churches in the Chicago area, or Illinois.

 

The denomination has been around since 1873 and hasn't gone liberal. Their presiding bishop was my pastor's pastor when he lived in Texas and he speaks well of him.

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While I subscribe to live and let live, and don't much care who, where or what anyone chooses to worship...I'd be remiss if I didn't let my Roman Catholic schooling indoctrination influence me to remind all you people shopping for a church with rules and views you approve of are all doing it wrong. We are supposed to submit to God's rules, not shop around for aset of rules that don't require any sacrifice on our part.

Taking the all or nothing approach as taught, I stopped going because I don't agree with the teaching and teachers in the one true church...so I suppose flames will lick my heels too...but at least I'll have company I agree with. No offense should be taken, but maybe consider the concept within the message if you're serious about salvation and sacrifice. What do I know? I'm just a guy trying to get to heaven exclusively by being nice to people.

He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, - Titus 3:5. ;-)

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John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Romans 10:9-10 ...if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

 

If you find the preaching to be unobjectionable there's a possibility the message of the gospel is not being preached.

 

Luke 12:51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. (this one is also a good verse for those who say Christians shouldn't carry guns because Jesus was a man of peace.)

 

In fact, Christ was NOT a man of peace although He did preach living peacefully as much as it is up to you. After all, would a man of peace get in the face of the rulers of the day? Throw over the tables of the money changers? Challenge people to a new way of thinking knowing that noncomformity would lead to persecution and disruption? Accuse the pharisees and teachers of the law of hypocrisy? Predict that one day He will return in judgement with an army of angels behind Him? Tell his disciples to purchase swords if they didn't have any?

 

Christ was submissive to His persecution and execution because He CHOSE to be, not because He was a passive patsy. His purpose was to live a blameless life and be sacrificed for our sins so that we could finally have a way back to relationship with God.

 

If your church isn't preaching this gospel it's time to consider another church.

 

 

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While I subscribe to live and let live, and don't much care who, where or what anyone chooses to worship...I'd be remiss if I didn't let my Roman Catholic schooling indoctrination influence me to remind all you people shopping for a church with rules and views you approve of are all doing it wrong. We are supposed to submit to God's rules, not shop around for aset of rules that don't require any sacrifice on our part.

Taking the all or nothing approach as taught, I stopped going because I don't agree with the teaching and teachers in the one true church...so I suppose flames will lick my heels too...but at least I'll have company I agree with. No offense should be taken, but maybe consider the concept within the message if you're serious about salvation and sacrifice. What do I know? I'm just a guy trying to get to heaven exclusively by being nice to people.

 

I'm very much willing to be challenged by the scripture and submit to God. What I want is good biblical teaching. That means:

 

1) There is only one God. Jesus is the savior. You are saved through grace. Therefore, Mohammad is a false prophet and we do not apologize for that belief. We do not pretend that belief doesn't exist in order to promote harmony with other faiths. If you don't believe those things, I have no problem with you...but I don't want you to be my minister.

 

2) The pastor and church can be anti-gun. I don't care. He can sermonize about the evils of gun violence as much as he wants. As long as they don't put up a sign, I will tolerate it and listen. There's no biblical basis for any of it. I'm there to get something spiritual. I'm not there to be told inanimate objects are evil. The Catholic church has canonized marksmen. The church, generally, has changed its political views on that. Isn't the church supposed to represent unchanging timeless values? When they change based on popular whims, THAT shakes their authority. I will defend my family in church and everywhere else where I have a choice.

 

3) Homosexuals should be invited into Christian churches and loved. We are ALL sinners. But, I have a BIG problem with churches who "celebrate" so-called "pride" or officiate same-sex weddings. This is unbiblical. We don't celebrate adultery or pre-marital sex among heterosexuals. There are a number of churches in my area with "Pride" flags fixed in front of the buildings. Not going there. Incidentally, they tend to be the same churches with "no guns" signs.

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...and NO muslims standing in front of the alter screaming for Allah to help make all the Christians in the church proper dhimmis. (second class civilians, slaves in other words)

 

Did this happen in an ELCA church? If it had happened in my church I would have stood up and heckled the crap out of him and then walked out with my family in tow.

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While I subscribe to live and let live, and don't much care who, where or what anyone chooses to worship...I'd be remiss if I didn't let my Roman Catholic schooling indoctrination influence me to remind all you people shopping for a church with rules and views you approve of are all doing it wrong. We are supposed to submit to God's rules, not shop around for aset of rules that don't require any sacrifice on our part.

Taking the all or nothing approach as taught, I stopped going because I don't agree with the teaching and teachers in the one true church...so I suppose flames will lick my heels too...but at least I'll have company I agree with. No offense should be taken, but maybe consider the concept within the message if you're serious about salvation and sacrifice. What do I know? I'm just a guy trying to get to heaven exclusively by being nice to people.

 

I'm very much willing to be challenged by the scripture and submit to God. What I want is good biblical teaching. That means:

 

1) There is only one God. Jesus is the savior. You are saved through grace. Therefore, Mohammad is a false prophet and we do not apologize for that belief. We do not pretend that belief doesn't exist in order to promote harmony with other faiths. If you don't believe those things, I have no problem with you...but I don't want you to be my minister.

 

2) The pastor and church can be anti-gun. I don't care. He can sermonize about the evils of gun violence as much as he wants. As long as they don't put up a sign, I will tolerate it and listen. There's no biblical basis for any of it. I'm there to get something spiritual. I'm not there to be told inanimate objects are evil. The Catholic church has canonized marksmen. The church, generally, has changed its political views on that. Isn't the church supposed to represent unchanging timeless values? When they change based on popular whims, THAT shakes their authority. I will defend my family in church and everywhere else where I have a choice.

 

3) Homosexuals should be invited into Christian churches and loved. We are ALL sinners. But, I have a BIG problem with churches who "celebrate" so-called "pride" or officiate same-sex weddings. This is unbiblical. We don't celebrate adultery or pre-marital sex among heterosexuals. There are a number of churches in my area with "Pride" flags fixed in front of the buildings. Not going there. Incidentally, they tend to be the same churches with "no guns" signs.

 

 

I was a member of Willow Creek Community Church for many years and attended weekly before moving out of state. Unless something has changed since the last time I was there visiting at the beginning of August, t checks off all of your boxes there.

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The ELCA is in bed with the Episcopalians. That should make anything with a head on their shoulders run screaming away!

 

I'm sure you mean the Episcopal Church USA, the large denomination. There is a smaller denomination called Reformed Episcopal Church U.S. which isn't in bed with the ELCA or other liberal churches. However they apparently have no churches in the Chicago area, or Illinois.

 

The denomination has been around since 1873 and hasn't gone liberal. Their presiding bishop was my pastor's pastor when he lived in Texas and he speaks well of him.

 

 

Yes, I meant ECUSA, the heathen.

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Soyletgreen, I think you have some very good basic requirements. I couldn't stand a minister who preached anti-gun rhetoric from the pulpit on a regular basis since he couldn't back it up with scripture.

 

My church has Muslim students visit as we have a campus evangelist who witnesses to them and invites them. Most are very nominal Muslims I would say, there big thing is not eating pork. Muslims get to hear the gospel. A joint service with a Muslim Imam won't happen.

 

I don't expect a CPZ sign to go up either even with a different pastor. Me and the other elder both have our FCCLs.

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Soyletgreen, I think you have some very good basic requirements. I couldn't stand a minister who preached anti-gun rhetoric from the pulpit on a regular basis since he couldn't back it up with scripture.

 

My church has Muslim students visit as we have a campus evangelist who witnesses to them and invites them. Most are very nominal Muslims I would say, there big thing is not eating pork. Muslims get to hear the gospel. A joint service with a Muslim Imam won't happen.

 

I don't expect a CPZ sign to go up either even with a different pastor. Me and the other elder both have our FCCLs.

 

I think that's awesome. Of course Muslims should be welcome to visit our churches. But, they should not be allowed to say we are going to submit to Islam. No way. I think it's very brave to evangelize to Muslim youths...because that can be very dangerous. Apostasy is a death penalty crime in Islam. Exactly how the parents of these kids could react if a child were converted to Jesus is a huge and real concern.

 

I think anti-gun rhetoric from the pulpit more than once a year would be too much. Again, I'm willing to listen...but...gun violence isn't really an issue in Arlington Heights. So, who is the minister talking to? What's the point of a sermon like that? I think sermons admonishing materialism, wealth, greed would be far more appropriate. I have nothing against success and am quite successful myself. I don't consider myself "rich"...but...I'm living in one of the most exclusive places in the world. Of all the people who are living and who ever have lived on this earth, I'm easily in the top 1% of the most wealthy. Most likely all the people reading this board fall into that category. In this time and place the wealth is FAR beyond anything known in the days of Christ...and he said it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of God. That is a real challenge to the faithful in this day and age in this place. He's talking about us. That's very biblical.

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The whole riches thing is often misunderstood. One of the points Jesus was making there was that often rich people become more dependent on their wealth than on God making true faith and trust in God difficult. Obviously of course there's the factor of materialism and greed involved as well. It's what you do with your money that's decisive in this case. If your wealth is used to enrich yourself and accumulate possessions and not used for the glory of God then of course there's a significant problem there. Matthew 6:21 Where your treasure is there will your heart be also.

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  • 3 weeks later...

Soylentgreen, It's been a month since your first post, have you found a church.

 

I did. It's a small Southern Baptist congregation nearby. I'm loving it. No politics. No sign on the door. Nothing but praise, worship, readings, hymns, and fellowship. AND...the service is bi-lingual. Half English and half in my wife's native tongue. That was not a requirement...but we just happened upon it. Lots of other people with small kids too. We are very excited.

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