armadroid Posted September 19, 2015 at 09:49 PM Share Posted September 19, 2015 at 09:49 PM I know everyone wants parks, and public tranist. Can we try to do a temporary carve out of cook county? I am out in Naperville and there are parks everywhere that I pay for but cannot go to. I know it won't pass with cook county involved but maybe without them? Maybe a preliminary carve out for 365 days then it becomes legal in cook county? Could the same work for open carry? Make it illegal in Chicago and cook county? But allownit elsewhere. I know we want it everywhere... But it would be a start. Sorry cook county residents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POAT54 Posted September 19, 2015 at 09:51 PM Share Posted September 19, 2015 at 09:51 PM I know everyone wants parks, and public tranist. Can we try to do a temporary carve out of cook county? I am out in Naperville and there are parks everywhere that I pay for but cannot go to. I know it won't pass with cook county involved but maybe without them? Maybe a preliminary carve out for 365 days then it becomes legal in cook county? Could the same work for open carry? Make it illegal in Chicago and cook county? But allownit elsewhere. I know we want it everywhere... But it would be a start. Sorry cook county residentsVERY Slipper slope, Blink and it will be may not shall. ETASHALL NOT INFRINGE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadroid Posted September 19, 2015 at 09:58 PM Author Share Posted September 19, 2015 at 09:58 PM I agree 100%... Just with the nice summer it sucks I can't go some places without giving up my right. I don't support carve outs but maybe we can play a little dirty and word it. Kind of like the SBR law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted September 19, 2015 at 10:08 PM Share Posted September 19, 2015 at 10:08 PM If you include an automatic clause to make it legal in Cook it will be opposed as vehemently as anything that goes right into effect in Cook If you carve out Cook entirely with the intent of including it with later legislation it will never happen, Cook will likely end up carved out forever. And it will will likely be opposed just as vehemently anyway Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted September 19, 2015 at 10:51 PM Share Posted September 19, 2015 at 10:51 PM I know everyone wants parks, and public tranist. Can we try to do a temporary carve out of cook county? I am out in Naperville and there are parks everywhere that I pay for but cannot go to. I know it won't pass with cook county involved but maybe without them? Maybe a preliminary carve out for 365 days then it becomes legal in cook county? Could the same work for open carry? Make it illegal in Chicago and cook county? But allownit elsewhere. I know we want it everywhere... But it would be a start. Sorry cook county residents A similar concept was offered in a carry bill several years ago - a bill we supported under the circumstances of the time. For reasons we needn't go into right now, the bill was killed. I think those same reasons exist to this day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted September 19, 2015 at 11:20 PM Share Posted September 19, 2015 at 11:20 PM I agree 100%... Just with the nice summer it sucks I can't go some places without giving up my right. Summer is over, get over it. FWIW, I live in Cook County and I would support a carve out if it meant you can carry in parks without me being able to, but that's the kind of guy I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted September 20, 2015 at 12:19 AM Share Posted September 20, 2015 at 12:19 AM No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadroid Posted September 20, 2015 at 12:20 AM Author Share Posted September 20, 2015 at 12:20 AM I agree 100%... Just with the nice summer it sucks I can't go some places without giving up my right.Summer is over, get over it. FWIW, I live in Cook County and I would support a carve out if it meant you can carry in parks without me being able to, but that's the kind of guy I am.I don't want to carve out I just want to go to parks, public transit. Just talking out loud here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted September 20, 2015 at 12:23 AM Share Posted September 20, 2015 at 12:23 AM I agree 100%... Just with the nice summer it sucks I can't go some places without giving up my right.Summer is over, get over it. FWIW, I live in Cook County and I would support a carve out if it meant you can carry in parks without me being able to, but that's the kind of guy I am.Don't worry Fife. We won't ask you to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted September 20, 2015 at 12:47 AM Share Posted September 20, 2015 at 12:47 AM We all want to go to parks. I want to fish. This is how they divide us. Some call it compromise, but division is why we can't carry and fish in Cook County. Imagine how you would feel if it was you being carved out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handyflyer Posted September 20, 2015 at 04:42 AM Share Posted September 20, 2015 at 04:42 AM No. No carve out. And....no. We went thru this years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMontgomery Posted September 20, 2015 at 06:00 AM Share Posted September 20, 2015 at 06:00 AM Why would we do such a thing? To get a few votes? Hate to break it to you, but as I understand it from talking with Todd Vandermyde, aka Mr. NRA in Springfield, those anti-gunners don't vote for our stuff even if there's a carve-out. Speaking of Mr. V, I haven't seen him posting much here for at least a couple of months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMontgomery Posted September 20, 2015 at 06:02 AM Share Posted September 20, 2015 at 06:02 AM I know everyone wants parks, and public tranist. Can we try to do a temporary carve out of cook county? I am out in Naperville and there are parks everywhere that I pay for but cannot go to. I know it won't pass with cook county involved but maybe without them? Maybe a preliminary carve out for 365 days then it becomes legal in cook county? Could the same work for open carry? Make it illegal in Chicago and cook county? But allownit elsewhere. I know we want it everywhere... But it would be a start. Sorry cook county residents A similar concept was offered in a carry bill several years ago - a bill we supported. For reasons we needn't go into right now, the bill was killed. I think those same reasons exist to this day. If it's the bill Todd V. was talking about, it died for lack of support. Was there another one? I personally don't like the idea of leaving people behind. Especially when the inner city residents are the ones that benefit the most from CCW! We didn't get in Florida by giving away Dade County. We got it through hard work as I understand it (although I must admit, I was young when that all happened). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom28 Posted September 20, 2015 at 06:37 AM Share Posted September 20, 2015 at 06:37 AM One state, one law. Lets continue this mantra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted September 20, 2015 at 07:20 AM Share Posted September 20, 2015 at 07:20 AM There is already a precedent in the present law for this. Carry is not permitted in the Cook County Forest Preserves, but is in those in the rest of the state. The buildings are usually posted though. Under Section 65 Prohibited Areas: A – “(14) Any real property under the control of the Cook County Forest Preserve District”. This was discussed in the debate on 5/31/13. Representative Phelps explained that the prohibited areas included, among other places, parks in or controlled by municipalities and park districts, but excluded forest preserves, state parks, and conservation areas. I was unable to copy from the pdf file. There, of course, may be other restrictions from other laws or regulations e.g. by the Illinois Department of Natural Resources or others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyP Posted September 20, 2015 at 11:26 AM Share Posted September 20, 2015 at 11:26 AM Parks could benefit many, but public transportation could benefit a couple MILLION folks a DAY. The CTA alone provides 1.6 mill rides on an average weekday. I wonder out loud how many more CCW holders we'd have if folks knew they could carry where it is needed most. No carve outs - don't tread on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted September 20, 2015 at 01:10 PM Share Posted September 20, 2015 at 01:10 PM If it's the bill Todd V. was talking about, it died for lack of support. Was there another one? I personally don't like the idea of leaving people behind. Especially when the inner city residents are the ones that benefit the most from CCW! We didn't get in Florida by giving away Dade County. We got it through hard work as I understand it (although I must admit, I was young when that all happened). If you search the forum archives I'm sure you'll find a thread explaining things in more detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade13 Posted September 20, 2015 at 01:36 PM Share Posted September 20, 2015 at 01:36 PM There is already a precedent in the present law for this. Carry is not permitted in the Cook County Forest Preserves, but is in those in the rest of the state. The buildings are usually posted though. Under Section 65 Prohibited Areas:A – “(14) Any real property under the control of the Cook County Forest Preserve District”. This was discussed in the debate on 5/31/13. Representative Phelps explained that the prohibited areas included, among other places, parks in or controlled by municipalities and park districts, but excluded forest preserves, state parks, and conservation areas. I was unable to copy from the pdf file. There, of course, may be other restrictions from other laws or regulations e.g. by the Illinois Department of Natural Resources or others.http://dnr.state.il.us/law3/Documents/ConcealedCarryQnA.pdf 5) On what IDNR properties may an Illinois Concealed Carry Permit holder carry a concealedfirearm?Illinois Concealed Carry Permit holders may carry a concealed firearm on any IDNR real property(including bike trails, trails, or any other designated public hunting area or building wherefirearm possession is permitted by the IDNR) with the following exceptions: All IDNR Officebuildings, including but not limited to the Joel D. Brunsvold Building (IDNR SpringfieldHeadquarters Building), IDNR Regional Office buildings, IDNR State Museum buildings, and anyother IDNR building marked with the ISP-approved sign prohibiting firearms. All firearms,including concealed firearms, are also prohibited on all IDNR State Refuge areas, IDNR DedicatedNature Preserves, and IDNR children playground areas. When visiting any of these locations,Concealed Carry Permit holders are required to secure their concealed firearms in their vehiclein accordance with the Illinois Concealed Carry Act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted September 20, 2015 at 03:47 PM Share Posted September 20, 2015 at 03:47 PM I agree with a temporary carve out of Cook County. In fact, let's make it a permanent thing Carve it out of Illinois and let it be its own state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCroskey Posted September 20, 2015 at 04:22 PM Share Posted September 20, 2015 at 04:22 PM People who call for carve outs are... I can't say the word here without being banned. Otis McDonald (RIP) stood up for your rights and Wilson v Cook County is still fighting for them. The only reason you enjoy your right to carry today is because of people from Chicago. I guess you got yours so now you're done? Ready to throw us under the bus? Apologies for my intemperate language but this is a slap in the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevis Posted September 20, 2015 at 05:35 PM Share Posted September 20, 2015 at 05:35 PM No, no carve outs. Gerrymandering is wrong, regardless of who does it. Rights are rights, and we want them back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedriver Posted September 20, 2015 at 09:06 PM Share Posted September 20, 2015 at 09:06 PM My friend Rhonda Ezell who is still fighting for rights in the city of Chicago, Ezell V Chicago has helped win several cases in other states and forever will, feels that anyone suggesting or thinking that the city of Chicago and cook county should be carved out of any 2A rights should think twice because she would like to take her grand daughter to the park as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted September 20, 2015 at 09:28 PM Share Posted September 20, 2015 at 09:28 PM I do not understand why some insist on punishing the rest of the state because of the restrictions in Cook County. Essentially saying, “If it is not 100% my way, then nobody gets anything”. It is one state one law in that it applies to all people. There are always be some kind of restrictions and/or exceptions. I assume that no one is arguing that the accused, even though assumed innocent, should have the right to bring weapons into the court room, or be able to keep their guns in prison. We might disagree on whether felons should be allowed to have guns after release from prison; maybe never, or after parole, or after 10 or 20 years. Freedom of speech is limited by libel and slander laws. The right to vote is limited by citizenship, residency, and age. I would like to see the prohibited list trimmed down and have force of law removed from posting of the no guns allowed signs. I still respect the right of private property owners to post and their right to have those carriers refusing to leave be arrested for trespassing. Passing laws involves compromise. Not everyone is going to be happy at any particular stage. That does not mean we cannot seek to make more changes; sometimes big ones other times smaller ones. We keep moving toward better protection of our rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted September 20, 2015 at 09:32 PM Share Posted September 20, 2015 at 09:32 PM It looks like the original question's been more than adequately answered, and moving toward picking fights that have been moot at least since McDonald was decided. Let's all move on to more productive things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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