ChicagoTom Posted July 23, 2019 at 12:17 AM Share Posted July 23, 2019 at 12:17 AM Asking for a friend. Will a class “C” Misdemeanor get your IL CCW revoked?The person was charged, booked and arrested with a pending court date.Has no priors but they did refuse to provide ID to the police (the reason for the arrest).Their thinking was 'this whole thing is blown all out of proportion', didn't want to jeopardize their CCW and wanted to remain silent.They were not carrying at the time. Anyone have experience with this?Looking for some insight for them prior to them contacting an attorney. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted July 23, 2019 at 01:25 AM Share Posted July 23, 2019 at 01:25 AM Refusing to show IDSounds like every episode of “Live PD” It never ends wellAnd how would being honest up front effect the CCL anymore than what might happen now? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoTom Posted July 23, 2019 at 02:29 AM Author Share Posted July 23, 2019 at 02:29 AM Refusing to show IDSounds like every episode of “Live PD” It never ends wellAnd how would being honest up front effect the CCL anymore than what might happen now? lol I would have preferred to obtain some relevant information to provide to him.While you can judge him, even though you don't fully know the details of the situation, it would be more beneficial and helpful if you could address the question asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted July 23, 2019 at 02:48 AM Share Posted July 23, 2019 at 02:48 AM Domestic violence and substance-related misdemeanors could endanger a CCL, otherwise no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted July 23, 2019 at 03:32 AM Share Posted July 23, 2019 at 03:32 AM I think it might depend on the type of misdemeanor. Pm the details to me if you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted July 23, 2019 at 01:57 PM Share Posted July 23, 2019 at 01:57 PM Refusing to show IDSounds like every episode of “Live PD”It never ends wellAnd how would being honest up front effect the CCL anymore than what might happen now? lol I would have preferred to obtain some relevant information to provide to him.While you can judge him, even though you don't fully know the details of the situation, it would be more beneficial and helpful if you could address the question asked.I did helpYou have a friend who doesn’t respect law enforcement And if you read these forums you’ll find that those with CCL and being legal gun owners are law abiding people, with respect for sameAs for the complete situation, you posted it, you put it out there, if the answers from some don’t fit your narrative (Democrat’s) I see why you’ve gotten hurt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted July 23, 2019 at 02:08 PM Share Posted July 23, 2019 at 02:08 PM Well that's a bit caustic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoresident Posted July 23, 2019 at 02:36 PM Share Posted July 23, 2019 at 02:36 PM Refusing to show IDSounds like every episode of Live PDIt never ends wellAnd how would being honest up front effect the CCL anymore than what might happen now? lol I would have preferred to obtain some relevant information to provide to him.While you can judge him, even though you don't fully know the details of the situation, it would be more beneficial and helpful if you could address the question asked.I did helpYou have a friend who doesnt respect law enforcement And if you read these forums youll find that those with CCL and being legal gun owners are law abiding people, with respect for sameAs for the complete situation, you posted it, you put it out there, if the answers from some dont fit your narrative (Democrats) I see why youve gotten hurt!If it's not violent (is any class c?) or drug and alcohol related they should be fine. But we did see other cases here that revoked FOID (and therefore CCW) not for the citation, but in the fine print of the conditions for supervision. So make sure their lawyer reads the fine print. Some of us have to live in a Dem controlled police state where interaction with special Eddie's or Tom Dart's foot soldiers turn hostile very quickly. If you're conceal carrying a Terry stop will likely turn your legal carry gun into a certificate of destruction because even our state AG doesn't understand Cook/Chicago gun laws. Not every situation is what you imagine. And no, I don't respect special Eddie. I don't respect Tom Dart either. Most of their force is led by nepotistic mouthbreathers abiding their time for a cush ghost payrole job and a fat taxpayer paid pension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted July 23, 2019 at 03:04 PM Share Posted July 23, 2019 at 03:04 PM The police do not randomly ask people for their ID.Why did the OP's friend think that his identiy would not be discovered after he was arrested? Re: the poster above.Pilot did not find Jesus guilty of any crime. Pilot gave in to the will of the people present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tab Posted July 23, 2019 at 04:26 PM Share Posted July 23, 2019 at 04:26 PM IANAL, but, police can only demand that you identify yourself if they have a reasonable suspicion you have commited, are committing or about to commit a crime. Even then you are not required to show an ID unless you are conducting an activity which requires ID, such as driving a car. There has to be more to this story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS1 Posted July 23, 2019 at 04:37 PM Share Posted July 23, 2019 at 04:37 PM Sovereign citizens don't need to provide ID ever. Or so I've heard some guy on YouTube say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted July 23, 2019 at 04:47 PM Share Posted July 23, 2019 at 04:47 PM Sovereign citizens don't need to provide ID ever. Or so I've heard some guy on YouTube say. The only time you are required to "show id" is when engaged in otherwise unlawful conduct absent the license. In any other LEO encounter you may be required to verbally identify yourself, but are never "required by law" to produce documents showing identity. Since your not compelled to carry them, how can you be compelled to produce them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS1 Posted July 23, 2019 at 06:40 PM Share Posted July 23, 2019 at 06:40 PM Well, I'd consider verbally identifying yourself showing ID. If you are asked to produce state ID and don't have it, the next thing you get asked is your name. The subject in the OP, as noted, chose to "remain silent" and thereby failed to identify himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoTom Posted July 23, 2019 at 11:32 PM Author Share Posted July 23, 2019 at 11:32 PM For those who provided constructive information, I thank you for your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter Clinger Posted July 26, 2019 at 11:15 AM Share Posted July 26, 2019 at 11:15 AM I agree with Lockman. The police can't just demand someone identify themselves unless they suspect a crime has been comitted.What did this guy do that warranted a demand for ID? If there was no crime, then there is no reason to ID and he might be able to get the charges dismissed since it would be an unlawful arrest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnyb82 Posted July 27, 2019 at 12:49 AM Share Posted July 27, 2019 at 12:49 AM He's under indictment for a crime. Misdemeanor is a crime. He hasn't been adjudicated yet so IMO his rights are temporarily suspended until his adjudication. That being said, this is a total BS charge and should be thrown out if there's no reasonable suspicion for a stop and identify. We're either not being told whole story (like "was in a high crime neighborhood" or some other pretextual reason for the stop) or the SA's office is into recklessly prosecuting people. Would like to know if he had ID on him and simply refused to show it, didn't have ID and refused to tell the cop who he is, or had ID, told cop who he is, identity verified, still arrested for the heinous crime of not carrying your government issued ID on his person. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted July 30, 2019 at 05:44 AM Share Posted July 30, 2019 at 05:44 AM The only thing that comes to mind is that if he provided a false name (instead of remaining silent) that he could be charged with obstruction of justice, a class 4 felony. But that's a stretch. Skinny may be on the right track above. -- Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnyb82 Posted July 30, 2019 at 03:15 PM Share Posted July 30, 2019 at 03:15 PM Obstruction of identification. Idiot burglar who I witnessed burglarizing cars did this to the cops when I called and they ran into him while responding to the call. It got me out of having to testify as a witness heh. I only ever see the Class C version when there's a companion charge like battery, UUW, or something like that. I have never seen anyone charged with this crime and only this crime. It reeks of BS. IANAL (who doesn't know that? Heh) but unless he was being a PITA to the cop just to be a thorn in the cop's posterior then I would advise a "not guilty" plea or even go talk to prosecutors himself and get the charge nol prossed or whatever (dismissed). Most people don't feel comfortable negotiating with experienced prosecutors but he has nothing to lose. I've done it several times and had "questionable" charges dismissed, citations dismissed because there's no case. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted August 2, 2019 at 09:52 AM Share Posted August 2, 2019 at 09:52 AM If you think you can't be arrested for simply refusing to produce ID, you haven't lived in the real world very long. Many years ago, I had a girlfriend arrested for refusing to produce ID. She was doing nothing else at the time other than standing on the street as a party was coming to a close (the cops hadn't even been called on the party, they were just driving by). She was charged with disorderly conduct. My guess is the officers initially focused on her because she was young and attractive. I had to walk between two police stations at 4am to try to bail her out, because I didn't drive at the time. Charges were dropped in court on the first hearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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