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Posted 10 January 2019 - 07:37 AM

https://www.chicagot...0109-story.html

 

 Column: She shot a robber with her legal gun — just as 'concealed carry' was intended

 

It is easy to hate guns. There’s not much about them to love — except when they save an innocent life.

Though the U.S. Supreme Court has confirmed every law-abiding American’s right to own a firearm, most anti-gun people have never quite understood why anyone would want to walk around with one.

Perhaps it was because they didn’t really want to understand it. On this politically polarizing issue, everyone has taken sides. People believe what they choose to believe about firearms, and they block out what anyone on the other side has to say.

Most of us have been guilty of that at one time or another.

But a shooting happened early Tuesday at a bus stop on the Far South Side of Chicago that might prompt us to look at guns in a new light. I, too, am a public transportation rider. That could have been me waiting on a bus that morning. It could have been anyone.

 

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 07:53 AM

I am shocked that they allowed this to run. Shocked. I’ll be spreading it

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 08:02 AM

I'm surprised they didn't point out that she was in the process of breaking the law by trying to carry a gun on a bus.


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 08:04 AM

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 08:06 AM

I'm surprised they didn't point out that she was in the process of breaking the law by trying to carry a gun on a bus.

I'm figuring that Dahleen Glanton does not know this.

It would be interesting to get her opinion on THAT too.



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Posted 10 January 2019 - 08:17 AM

 

I'm surprised they didn't point out that she was in the process of breaking the law by trying to carry a gun on a bus.

I'm figuring that Dahleen Glanton does not know this.

It would be interesting to get her opinion on THAT too.

 

Perhaps she was waiting form someone to get off the bus. Perhaps she was meeting someone and walking with them.


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 08:20 AM

I'm surprised they didn't point out that she was in the process of breaking the law by trying to carry a gun on a bus.

I'm figuring that Dahleen Glanton does not know this.
It would be interesting to get her opinion on THAT too.

To be honest, we all need to share this with everyone (where appropriate. Obviously work is a no-go unless someone else starts a conversation about guns/this incident). It shows two things

1. An innocent women protecting herself against an armed thug (in illegal possession of a handgun) with a rap sheet
2. That if she would have abided by the “gun free zone” laws, she could be dead
3. She only used her legally owned gun when she herself was in danger for her life

If there was no CC, if she would have listened to the “no guns” in a public transit area, or if guns were banned, she could be dead and the criminal would still be armed

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 09:13 AM

I'm surprised they didn't point out that she was in the process of breaking the law by trying to carry a gun on a bus.

Was the bench properly posted in accordance of the law? Would the bench be "real property"? Was she transporting and had to load before defending herself? I wasn't there so I do not know the answers.


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 09:31 AM

Was the bench properly posted in accordance of the law? Would the bench be "real property"? Was she transporting and had to load before defending herself? I wasn't there so I do not know the answers.
Not sure if you were trying to be snarky there, but if she needed to load her handgun before she could use it in this instance, it would have been too late already. One doesn't have seconds to react in a case like this. Fractions of a second can be the difference between life and death. Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 09:44 AM

 

Was the bench properly posted in accordance of the law? Would the bench be "real property"? Was she transporting and had to load before defending herself? I wasn't there so I do not know the answers.
Not sure if you were trying to be snarky there, but if she needed to load her handgun before she could use it in this instance, it would have been too late already. One doesn't have seconds to react in a case like this. Fractions of a second can be the difference between life and death.

 

Even "Six Seconds to Safety" is too long.

Accounts say she was carrying a loaded revolver in accordance with her CCL.

I'm pretty sure the sidewalk at a bus stop is not a prohibited area.

 

As to her about to carry on a bus...

Concealed is concealed and some folks will fudge on the rules in some circumstances.

I predict the mass transit prohibition will disappear, one day.


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 09:49 AM

I too was shocked when I saw this printed. Glanton is pretty far left but every once and a while she has a glimmer of common sense.

She once wrote a column stating that most of the gun laws liberals are pushing are already law in illlinois .... and left unstated that they obviously dont reduce violent gang crimes.

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 09:53 AM

What does it matter if she was going to be getting on a bus or not?  The fact is that she was carrying concealed legally and it happened to be at the same location as a bus stop.  Anyone insinuating that she might have been getting onto a bus and carrying against the law should just start writing for the trib.  


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 09:54 AM

I know a few people that routinely carry on Metra. If the do not break the law in this instance it would make defensive carry virtually impossible for most of the day. They have made a choice of being armed all the time, rather than only half-the time. The risk of discovery is more remote than the risk of harm.

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 09:59 AM


 
Was the bench properly posted in accordance of the law? Would the bench be "real property"? Was she transporting and had to load before defending herself? I wasn't there so I do not know the answers.
Not sure if you were trying to be snarky there, but if she needed to load her handgun before she could use it in this instance, it would have been too late already. One doesn't have seconds to react in a case like this. Fractions of a second can be the difference between life and death.

 
Even "Six Seconds to Safety" is too long.
Accounts say she was carrying a loaded revolver in accordance with her CCL.
I'm pretty sure the sidewalk at a bus stop is not a prohibited area.
 
As to her about to carry on a bus...
Concealed is concealed and some folks will fudge on the rules in some circumstances.
I predict the mass transit prohibition will disappear, one day.

I thought I saw somewhere that she used a revolver, but the stories I found today all said .38 caliber handgun. While that could be a revolver, it could also be jumbled newsroom description of a .380 pistol.

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 10:18 AM

Dahleen and I have had many discussions on this topic.  It's good to see this article.


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 10:19 AM

Yeah... I thought I read revolver somewhere, but can't find it. ".38 caliber" may just be her description to CPD.

It is more likely info was gleamed from a CPD statement than some jumbled newsroom description.

It looks like they have not recovered either gun.

 

 

 

 Even "Six Seconds to Safety" is too long.
Accounts say she was carrying a loaded revolver in accordance with her CCL.
I'm pretty sure the sidewalk at a bus stop is not a prohibited area.
 
As to her about to carry on a bus...
Concealed is concealed and some folks will fudge on the rules in some circumstances.
I predict the mass transit prohibition will disappear, one day.

I thought I saw somewhere that she used a revolver, but the stories I found today all said .38 caliber handgun. While that could be a revolver, it could also be jumbled newsroom description of a .380 pistol.

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 10:33 AM

Change of direction for the Trib, or a case of a stopped clock being right twice a day?


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 10:38 AM

A letter the Tribune printed In 2017

https://www.chicagot...0511-story.html

This is in reference to the Tribune's editorial about the escalating gang violence in certain sections of Chicago. One of the remedies the editorial advocates is requiring background checks for all firearms purchases, and it leaves the reader with the impression that this requirement is not being followed at gun shows or person to person sales. This is simply not the case in Illinois. My source for that is a Tribune article printed Jan. 5, 2016, by Dahleen Glanton Background checks for guns the norm in Illinois.

Illinois law already requires that a Federal Firearms Licensee be present at any gun show to perform a background check before the sale of any firearm and goes further requiring a 24 hour waiting period for long guns and a 72 hour waiting period for handguns before the buyer can take possession of the firearm.

Illinois already requires the buyer of any firearm or ammunition to have a valid Firearm Owners Identification card. This in essence is a background check ensuring the FOID card holder meets all federal and state requirements to posses a forearm or ammunition. The Illinois State Police runs background checks of all FOID card holders every 24 hours to ensure that violations have not occurred recently in effect an instant background check is run every day even if you are not purchasing a firearm.

Illinois law also requires that before any person-to-person sale can take place the seller is required to verify through an ISP website that the buyer possesses a valid FOID card. The ISP then issues a Transfer Approval Number which the seller is required to retain for a period of 10 years. The 24 hour and 72 hour waiting period also applies to private sales. This law has been in effect since Jan. 1, 2014.


What the Tribune Editorial Board is advocating as a way to reduce violent crime in Chicago is already in effect in Illinois and has been for years. The problem is the horrendous level of violent crime in Chicago is committed by gang members who are already criminals and by definition criminals do not obey the law. The only laws that might help are laws keeping repeat offenders off the streets and not ones that further restrict the rights of law-abiding gun owners.

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 10:49 AM

Dahleen and I have had many discussions on this topic.  It's good to see this article.

Excellent.


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 10:51 AM

What does it matter if she was going to be getting on a bus or not?  The fact is that she was carrying concealed legally and it happened to be at the same location as a bus stop.  Anyone insinuating that she might have been getting onto a bus and carrying against the law should just start writing for the trib.  

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 11:07 AM

I'm surprised they didn't point out that she was in the process of breaking the law by trying to carry a gun on a bus.

This ^^^^ and have sent the link to a couple dozen in my "e-mail group."



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Posted 10 January 2019 - 11:23 AM

It is good to see a nice ballanced well written article about firearms in the Tribune. I raise my glass and say cheers to Molly B. And Dahleen.

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 12:34 PM

I am also stunned to see this from Ms. Glanton.

I am trusting my old memory here, but it was at the first of the Chicago Second Amendment Freedom Rallies in Thompson Center Plaza when Ms. Glanton, having been identified by several of us as the Trib reporter on the scene, was asked what her story was going to be.

She replied with a toss that "This isn't what we expected" and as a result there would be no story.  Indeed, there was not, not that I can recall.  Admitting that 600 very ruly demonstrators held a peaceful rally to celebrate civil rights was not on the menu, one supposes.

I have always associated Ms. Glanton with Tribune anti-gun activism and am pleased to see that perhaps some actual common sense has been arrived at.

Another memory test- was not the emcee of the event Cisco Cotto, who is now a mainstay at WBBM NewsRadio, a very active anti-gun journo outlet, and the most-listened to radio station in metro Chicago?
A better-still memory was Mike Pfleger being there on the sidewalk with a pair of his paid "protesters" sweating in the hot sun wearing T-shirts decrying the NRA.  The NRA, while it was there, was not even a sponsor of the event, which we politely pointed out to no response.

One of the guys, I forget who, offered to discuss and debate, which drew stony silence from Pfleger,  Then another guy offered the three a round of cold bottled waters... which they also stonily refused.  Big fun that day!


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 01:12 PM


A better-still memory was Mike Pfleger being there on the sidewalk with a pair of his paid "protesters" sweating in the hot sun wearing T-shirts decrying the NRA.  The NRA, while it was there, was not even a sponsor of the event, which we politely pointed out to no response.

One of the guys, I forget who, offered to discuss and debate, which drew stony silence from Pfleger,  Then another guy offered the three a round of cold bottled waters... which they also stonily refused.  Big fun that day!

They were not paid.

One of them was Ron Holt, CPD and father of Blair Holt, who was shot on the CTA bus and is now the namesake of the Cook County Semi-Auto-Ban, and the namesake of the failed bill that Bobby Rush introduces every term.in Congress.

The other was one of Pfleger's interns.

I talked to Ron for a few minutes, he did not realize, or professed not to know, that most states at that time had a legal form of carry.

Yes, it was very hot out, and the sun shone down directly.  One of our volunteers asked me "what to do" about them and I suggested to offer them the water.

 

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We had requested that CMS leave us a roll-around garbage cart for the event, so that we could clean up when it was over.
But our people left nothing behind.
 



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Posted 10 January 2019 - 01:12 PM

I am also stunned to see this from Ms. Glanton.
I am trusting my old memory here, but it was at the first of the Chicago Second Amendment Freedom Rallies in Thompson Center Plaza when Ms. Glanton, having been identified by several of us as the Trib reporter on the scene, was asked what her story was going to be.
She replied with a toss that "This isn't what we expected" and as a result there would be no story.  Indeed, there was not, not that I can recall.  Admitting that 600 very ruly demonstrators held a peaceful rally to celebrate civil rights was not on the menu, one supposes.
I have always associated Ms. Glanton with Tribune anti-gun activism and am pleased to see that perhaps some actual common sense has been arrived at.
Another memory test- was not the emcee of the event Cisco Cotto, who is now a mainstay at WBBM NewsRadio, a very active anti-gun journo outlet, and the most-listened to radio station in metro Chicago?
A better-still memory was Mike Pfleger being there on the sidewalk with a pair of his paid "protesters" sweating in the hot sun wearing T-shirts decrying the NRA.  The NRA, while it was there, was not even a sponsor of the event, which we politely pointed out to no response.
One of the guys, I forget who, offered to discuss and debate, which drew stony silence from Pfleger,  Then another guy offered the three a round of cold bottled waters... which they also stonily refused.  Big fun that day!


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 01:48 PM

I am also stunned to see this from Ms. Glanton.
I am trusting my old memory here, but it was at the first of the Chicago Second Amendment Freedom Rallies in Thompson Center Plaza when Ms. Glanton, having been identified by several of us as the Trib reporter on the scene, was asked what her story was going to be.
She replied with a toss that "This isn't what we expected" and as a result there would be no story.  Indeed, there was not, not that I can recall.  Admitting that 600 very ruly demonstrators held a peaceful rally to celebrate civil rights was not on the menu, one supposes.
I have always associated Ms. Glanton with Tribune anti-gun activism and am pleased to see that perhaps some actual common sense has been arrived at.
Another memory test- was not the emcee of the event Cisco Cotto, who is now a mainstay at WBBM NewsRadio, a very active anti-gun journo outlet, and the most-listened to radio station in metro Chicago?
A better-still memory was Mike Pfleger being there on the sidewalk with a pair of his paid "protesters" sweating in the hot sun wearing T-shirts decrying the NRA.  The NRA, while it was there, was not even a sponsor of the event, which we politely pointed out to no response.
One of the guys, I forget who, offered to discuss and debate, which drew stony silence from Pfleger,  Then another guy offered the three a round of cold bottled waters... which they also stonily refused.  Big fun that day!


There was a Tribune photographer there too, Zbignew Bzak (sp). We talked for a while and I asked him why he wasn’t taking any Photos and his answer was there was nothing to see , meaning everyone was orderly. I asked if maybe photos of an orderly protest were indeed newsworthy his answer was “Ask Bruce” meaning Bruce Dold who is the editor/punlisher at the Tribune. It was plain he had his orders.

IIRC that was also the year Toni Preckwinkle showed up and just stood by the street close to the CPD officers looking like she had just been sucking on a very sour pickle.

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 02:41 PM

 

I'm surprised they didn't point out that she was in the process of breaking the law by trying to carry a gun on a bus.

I'm figuring that Dahleen Glanton does not know this.

It would be interesting to get her opinion on THAT too.

 

 

It kinda looks like this particular occurrence hit home with her. She might be for changing the law.


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 03:05 PM

mikew, good info, things I was not aware of at the time.

Yes, it was extraordinarily orderly.

Probably should not have diverted the thread but Ms. Glanton's been a particular point of irritation to us in the Tribune's battle against gun rights and I had to chime in.


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 05:10 PM

I'm surprised they didn't point out that she was in the process of breaking the law by trying to carry a gun on a bus.

I'm figuring that Dahleen Glanton does not know this.
It would be interesting to get her opinion on THAT too.
Perhaps she was waiting form someone to get off the bus. Perhaps she was meeting someone and walking with them.

The article says she was waiting for the bus to go to work.

"Video from a surveillance camera posted outside a store nearby shows a young woman standing underneath a bus shelter shortly before 6 a.m., apparently on her way to work."
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Posted 11 January 2019 - 08:41 AM

mikew, good info, things I was not aware of at the time.

Yes, it was extraordinarily orderly.

Probably should not have diverted the thread but Ms. Glanton's been a particular point of irritation to us in the Tribune's battle against gun rights and I had to chime in.

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