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Posted 30 September 2017 - 07:22 AM

Personally I think Bruce Rauner has already decided not to run for re-election since he signed the abortion bill. He had to know that a sizable part of his Republican support would disappear if he signed this bill expanding taxpayer funded abortions, but did so anyway. If he doesn't run, who might the Republican Party put forward for the job? If there are any Republicans with state wide name recognition then I just don't know of them. And for that matter, who might the Dems run for the office? Fortunately I don't think the Governor plays much of a role in firearm related issues but it gave me a small sense of comfort to have someone other than a Madigan hand picked crony sitting in the Governor's mansion.

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 08:20 AM

The names of the puppets don't matter much. But my opinion is Its gonna be a Democrat that's a hand picked Madigan crony.  Hopefully hes not tooooo bad. I don't think the down state Republican candidates have much of a chance this time around after all the trouble they have caused people with Rauner. That in fighting is the reason I suspect that Rauner has been signing off on these bills just to spite them.

There seems to also be a division not only between Rauner and the more conservative Republicans but between the more conservative Republicans and the more liberal ones from upstate.

I hear rumblings that some people feel working with Madigan might almost be preferred over another divisive type from downstate because at least they know what they are gonna get and how to work with him.

But regardless of what happens you can rest assured the wants and liberties of the IL voter will be wholly sold out for the chance of a better economic future for the already rich and powerful political and social elites. Na Zdorovie, Comrade. Prepare for the worst I would say.


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Posted 30 September 2017 - 08:55 AM

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 01:14 PM

We have a one party system here in Illinois.


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Posted 30 September 2017 - 03:03 PM

I wonder if backroom has figured there's more disgruntled Democrats he can pick up then the loss of conservative GOP?  A log of GOP don't pay attention and whole lot will just "pull the lever" just like the Democrats do. 

If he's the candidate if you can do a write in "Illegal Alien" or I'm skipping that box. 


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Posted 30 September 2017 - 04:36 PM

I don't know Rauner is about as Republican as you get from Chicago stand point...

Not sure why he'd not run again, other then he thinks he'd fail and running is a waste of time.
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Posted 30 September 2017 - 04:44 PM

JB is going to be our next Governor and god help us all when it happens. Expect more tax increases at a minimum, he is also an anti gunner to the core.



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Posted 30 September 2017 - 05:28 PM

JB is going to be our next Governor and god help us all when it happens. Expect more tax increases at a minimum, he is also an anti gunner to the core.

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 06:47 PM

It really doesn't matter who is the next governor, Illinois is lost. The state has joined the progressive, socialist cabal of oppressive states. The only path to reverse this horrible turn, is to have the blue dogs in southern Illinois to switch parties - which isn't likely - to remove the Democrat majority. 


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Posted 30 September 2017 - 07:57 PM

Don't you understand?

Madigan is getting old.

Atty General Lisa is not seeking reelection in 2018.

 

That's because Rauner is doing Lisa and Mike a favor by clearing the field for her bid for the governor's position.

 

Say hello to Governor Lisa Madigan.


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Posted 30 September 2017 - 10:49 PM

Don't you understand?

Madigan is getting old.

Atty General Lisa is not seeking reelection in 2018.

 

That's because Rauner is doing Lisa and Mike a favor by clearing the field for her bid for the governor's position.

 

Say hello to Governor Lisa Madigan.

She won't run did daddy is retired. Not worth the risk of prison time if she ticked off the wrong crony. 

 

heck that is prob why Rau is tossing out a few bones as well. 



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Posted 01 October 2017 - 09:03 AM

 

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 06:43 AM

JB is going to be our next Governor and god help us all when it happens. Expect more tax increases at a minimum, he is also an anti gunner to the core.

 

Yes, and this scares me no end.

 

If Rauner runs again, I will enthusiastically vote for him, despite the many things he has done with which I disagree.  Anything to keep Pritzker from the governor's mansion!  He will spend his whole term destroying Illinois and the 2nd amendment even further.


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Posted 02 October 2017 - 07:56 AM

It's time for the ice cream man to run again.


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Posted 02 October 2017 - 08:12 AM

Pritzker's campaign reminds me of Obama's. A metric crap load of promises, no ability or desire to deliver. He cannot deliver on these BS promises of reviving the economy when small businesses as well as corporations are being run out of the state because of the awful business climate. How does one create jobs when his own party has made it so hostile to business and entrepreneurship? Yeah, he can't. He won't. He has no intention on it. Just maintain the status quo. He's spoon feeding suckers and it's working like a charm. You'd think that after we'd been hookwinked by an elitist do-nothing from Chicago, that we'd be leery of another do-nothing from Chicago who promises the world. It just proves that some people can be fooled twice, thrice, an infinite amount of times. I wouldn't be surprised if Pritzker makes a campaign promise of "ponies for everyone" if he's elected governor, or "Universal basic income," maybe a single-payer health care system for Illinois. Some nonsense that's completely unworkable, unaffordable. He WILL ignore the pension crisis. He WILL ignore the plight of all those downstate who fall for his shtick. We're just votes to him, not people. And gun owners, well, we're sub-human. Chicago doesn't seem to understand that downstate is the only reason why it exists. Without taxpayers downstate, Chicago would collapse. I wish the media would air out the Pritzker family's dirty laundry. Maybe discuss the money laundering allegations or how the family amassed so much wealth. Crime, crime, crime, and I have no doubt that family is still at it. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk
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Posted 05 October 2017 - 01:42 PM

Looking at the TV ads for Pritzker reminds me of an old joke, the one about him having more chins than a Chinese phone book. :devil:


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Posted 09 October 2017 - 06:34 PM

Rauner is definitely running and, if he hadn't done such a horrible job, he'd be the odds on favorite. Given the situation, I think the next Governor will be JB and that won't be good either - particularly for 2nd amendment advocates.

Keep in mind that next governor participates in the gerrymandering uh... redistricting process.

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 08:16 AM

Get ready for Gov. Prtizker folks. I don't see Madigan going anywhere for a few more years.  Look at that old bat Feinstein. Age 84 and running next year for another term in the Senate.

 

Kennedy is in the same buffoon class as Quinn.  I don't think the name is magic enough for him to beat Pritzker.



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Posted 10 October 2017 - 09:09 AM

Get ready for Gov. Prtizker folks. I don't see Madigan going anywhere for a few more years.  Look at that old bat Feinstein. Age 84 and running next year for another term in the Senate.

 

Kennedy is in the same buffoon class as Quinn.  I don't think the name is magic enough for him to beat Pritzker.

 

yep and 1st on the agenda, a progressive income tax.  

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 09:29 AM

I will not vote for Rauner. He's the man who allowed my tax money to be used for elective abortions. If you hold a gun to my head, I won't vote for him. So, unless there's a Republican challenger, I won't be voting in the gubernatorial election this time. I would usually be okay with the "lesser to two evils" strategy. But, when the lesser of two evils is okay with using tax money to murder babies, I refuse to go along. Period. End of story.

So, whatever happens to this state, let it be on the heads of Democrats. Right now, Rauner isn't doing anything to save the state. We are still drowning in debt. He didn't do anything to whip Republicans in line to stop the disaster of a budget that does nothing to reform anything and he failed to protect taxpayers from an income tax increase. Remember that part of the reason he's there is that the previous governor went along with an income tax increase. AND...worst of all...Democrats are making the argument that all the state's woes are Rauner's fault. It doesn't matter that it's not true. They are effectively getting that message across.

I honestly think another term of Quinn would have been the same as Rauner...the only difference being, it'd be 100% clear to everyone that this disaster is of the Democrat's making. All Rauner has done is give cover to Democrats.

The state is going down. Our bonds are junk status. At some point, we will run out of investors who want to lend money to this state. When that happens, the whole house of cards will come crashing down. More and more people are leaving...and increasing taxes on the "wealthy" will just drive more taxpayers out. That's only exacerbating the problem! We should be trying to attract more taxpayers into the state...particularly wealthy ones.

Look at all the well-run states in this union. The BEST states to live in are the ones with no state income tax at all. They're not in debt. They're not short on cash.



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Posted 10 October 2017 - 09:56 AM

I will not vote for Rauner. He's the man who allowed my tax money to be used for elective abortions. If you hold a gun to my head, I won't vote for him. So, unless there's a Republican challenger, I won't be voting in the gubernatorial election this time. I would usually be okay with the "lesser to two evils" strategy. But, when the lesser of two evils is okay with using tax money to murder babies, I refuse to go along. Period. End of story.

So, whatever happens to this state, let it be on the heads of Democrats. Right now, Rauner isn't doing anything to save the state. We are still drowning in debt. He didn't do anything to whip Republicans in line to stop the disaster of a budget that does nothing to reform anything and he failed to protect taxpayers from an income tax increase. Remember that part of the reason he's there is that the previous governor went along with an income tax increase. AND...worst of all...Democrats are making the argument that all the state's woes are Rauner's fault. It doesn't matter that it's not true. They are effectively getting that message across.

I honestly think another term of Quinn would have been the same as Rauner...the only difference being, it'd be 100% clear to everyone that this disaster is of the Democrat's making. All Rauner has done is give cover to Democrats.

The state is going down. Our bonds are junk status. At some point, we will run out of investors who want to lend money to this state. When that happens, the whole house of cards will come crashing down. More and more people are leaving...and increasing taxes on the "wealthy" will just drive more taxpayers out. That's only exacerbating the problem! We should be trying to attract more taxpayers into the state...particularly wealthy ones.

Look at all the well-run states in this union. The BEST states to live in are the ones with no state income tax at all. They're not in debt. They're not short on cash.

 

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 09:59 AM

Pritzker's campaign reminds me of Obama's. A metric crap load of promises, no ability or desire to deliver. He cannot deliver on these BS promises of reviving the economy when small businesses as well as corporations are being run out of the state because of the awful business climate. How does one create jobs when his own party has made it so hostile to business and entrepreneurship? Yeah, he can't. He won't. He has no intention on it. Just maintain the status quo. He's spoon feeding suckers and it's working like a charm. You'd think that after we'd been hookwinked by an elitist do-nothing from Chicago, that we'd be leery of another do-nothing from Chicago who promises the world. It just proves that some people can be fooled twice, thrice, an infinite amount of times. I wouldn't be surprised if Pritzker makes a campaign promise of "ponies for everyone" if he's elected governor, or "Universal basic income," maybe a single-payer health care system for Illinois. Some nonsense that's completely unworkable, unaffordable. He WILL ignore the pension crisis. He WILL ignore the plight of all those downstate who fall for his shtick. We're just votes to him, not people. And gun owners, well, we're sub-human. Chicago doesn't seem to understand that downstate is the only reason why it exists. Without taxpayers downstate, Chicago would collapse. I wish the media would air out the Pritzker family's dirty laundry. Maybe discuss the money laundering allegations or how the family amassed so much wealth. Crime, crime, crime, and I have no doubt that family is still at it. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk

 

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 10:32 AM

When the Dems add the Governors mansion to their domain things will get even worse. Two of my sons are now inCA, One daughter in IA. Just two kids left in this state. Maybe they will leave and then I can convince my wife that we should sell the house, even at a big loss, and leave IL forever.

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 11:48 AM

 

 

That's the spirit - Don't vote and just let the Commies take over. Brilliant.

 

 

Rauner IS a commie. He's stabbed his base in the back. He's reformed nothing. He's freed up public money to kill babies. He made Illinois a sanctuary state. I bet he'll sign HB4107 if it makes it to his desk. Do you have ANY confidence at all that he won't...?

Sorry, no. I will not vote for him. I mean, what would it take for you to NOT vote for him??? It seems some people will accept RINOs no matter what they do. Not me. There have to be some principles that are not negotiable. Do you have any non-negotiables? I mean, if he did sign HB4107...would you STILL vote for him???



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Posted 10 October 2017 - 01:34 PM

 

 

 

That's the spirit - Don't vote and just let the Commies take over. Brilliant.

 

 

Rauner IS a commie. He's stabbed his base in the back. He's reformed nothing. He's freed up public money to kill babies. He made Illinois a sanctuary state. I bet he'll sign HB4107 if it makes it to his desk. Do you have ANY confidence at all that he won't...?

Sorry, no. I will not vote for him. I mean, what would it take for you to NOT vote for him??? It seems some people will accept RINOs no matter what they do. Not me. There have to be some principles that are not negotiable. Do you have any non-negotiables? I mean, if he did sign HB4107...would you STILL vote for him???

 

 

Not doubt, he's not been the ideal GOP Governor, mainly as a direct result of Madigan's overwhelming power that he underestimated, BUT which of these items do you think Quinn, Pritzker, or Kennedy would have done MORE to our preference??  Do you think they would have stood strong against the budget and force a veto?  Imho, they probably would have encouraged a higher tax increase in the name of those in need. So, the point remains, even a moderate GOP candidate is better than a Democrat any day.  At least there is some resistance in letting Madigan run wild.  I'm sure you are all giddy about Duckworth beating Kirk too.  Your logic makes no sense. Stick your head in the sand and pray it goes away.  Nice.



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:54 AM

 

 

Not doubt, he's not been the ideal GOP Governor, mainly as a direct result of Madigan's overwhelming power that he underestimated, BUT which of these items do you think Quinn, Pritzker, or Kennedy would have done MORE to our preference??  Do you think they would have stood strong against the budget and force a veto?  Imho, they probably would have encouraged a higher tax increase in the name of those in need. So, the point remains, even a moderate GOP candidate is better than a Democrat any day.  At least there is some resistance in letting Madigan run wild.  I'm sure you are all giddy about Duckworth beating Kirk too.  Your logic makes no sense. Stick your head in the sand and pray it goes away.  Nice.

 

 

The funny thing is...Quinn and Blago DIDN'T do what Rauner DID do. Quinn didn't sign a bill to allow tax money to be used to murder babies. Rauner did. This is not the arena of theory about what Pritzker or Kennedy might do. It's about what Rauner HAS done!

The budget could not have overrode Rauner's veto without Republican votes. That's a fact. What did Rauner do to whip his party in line? As far as I can tell, nothing. NOTHING!! It's almost like he wanted the tax increase...but just didn't want to sign his name to it.

Where did I say I'm "giddy" about any of it? Kirk had his uses. He never supported using tax money to murder babies and I voted for him in his last bid for re-election. I think the main reason he lost isn't because he was too liberal or too conservative. I think he lost because he's disabled. He clearly is not capable of doing the job. He can barely walk and talk. Duckworth is missing a leg and she's more spry than Kirk. What's that say? He should have been asked to step aside for another Republican to face Duckworth. Rauner needs to either step aside or someone needs to defeat him in the primary.

My logic makes no sense? Why? Because I won't compromise on killing babies? I will NEVER compromise on that. Rauner hasn't done anything for us and he's done a lot against us. If he had vetoed the sanctuary state bill and the abortion bill, I'd be right there with you. Sorry, that's just a bridge too far for me. All the Rauner governorship has done is give Democrats cover. They can destroy the state while he's impotent to stop them...and then they can blame him for the damage they've inflicted. 

You didn't answer my questions. So, I'll restate:

 

1) Is there anything Rauner could do that would cause you not to cast a vote for him? What would it be? If not, you're a slave. What motivation is there for politicians to serve the base that elected them if we vote for them again and again no matter what? THAT seems to me to be exactly what's wrong with this state.

 

2) Do you have any confidence that Rauner won't sign HB4107 if it reaches his desk? If so, what do you base that on? If he does sign it, will you STILL vote for him next time?



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 10:06 AM

Is there any question whether Pritzker or Rauner is more liberal?  Rauner is moderate, and votes with the liberals sometimes (e.g. on the abortion bill and the sanctuary bill.)  I do not agree with him on those bills.  But he vetoed the tax increase, and he has vetoed other bad legislation.  Pritzker is a left-wing absolutely gun-hating loon.  Pritzker will champion and push for all the bad legislation.  W/ him as governor, the Dems will push through much, much higher "progressive" taxes, to screw everyone who works for a living.  They will push though even more left-wing causes, and will push through more anti-gun bills (such as the assault weapon ban which bans pretty much everything and makes us all felons....)  Rauner is far from perfect, but a sometimes blocker of bad bills is so much better than someone who supports all of them (e.g. Prtizker)!

 

"Voting your conscious" in refusing to vote for the lesser of two evils only helps the greater evil!  It's the same thing with people who refused to vote for Trump.  Basically doing so was helping Hillary, in that very tight race!  Refusing to vote for Rauner (assuming he wins the primary) is basically handing the election to Pritzker.  The time to vote your conscious is the primary.  In the general election, it is time to vote rationally for the candidiate who will harm you less.  And there is no doubt that it is always the Republican candidate.

 

To the question of "what could Rauner do that would cause me to refuse to vote for him in the general election":  Only if he proved himself worse than Pritzker.  And that has not happened, nor is it likely.


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Not doubt, he's not been the ideal GOP Governor, mainly as a direct result of Madigan's overwhelming power that he underestimated, BUT which of these items do you think Quinn, Pritzker, or Kennedy would have done MORE to our preference??  Do you think they would have stood strong against the budget and force a veto?  Imho, they probably would have encouraged a higher tax increase in the name of those in need. So, the point remains, even a moderate GOP candidate is better than a Democrat any day.  At least there is some resistance in letting Madigan run wild.  I'm sure you are all giddy about Duckworth beating Kirk too.  Your logic makes no sense. Stick your head in the sand and pray it goes away.  Nice.


 
The funny thing is...Quinn and Blago DIDN'T do what Rauner DID do. Quinn didn't sign a bill to allow tax money to be used to murder babies. Rauner did. This is not the arena of theory about what Pritzker or Kennedy might do. It's about what Rauner HAS done!
The budget could not have overrode Rauner's veto without Republican votes. That's a fact. What did Rauner do to whip his party in line? As far as I can tell, nothing. NOTHING!! It's almost like he wanted the tax increase...but just didn't want to sign his name to it.
Where did I say I'm "giddy" about any of it? Kirk had his uses. He never supported using tax money to murder babies and I voted for him in his last bid for re-election. I think the main reason he lost isn't because he was too liberal or too conservative. I think he lost because he's disabled. He clearly is not capable of doing the job. He can barely walk and talk. Duckworth is missing a leg and she's more spry than Kirk. What's that say? He should have been asked to step aside for another Republican to face Duckworth. Rauner needs to either step aside or someone needs to defeat him in the primary.
My logic makes no sense? Why? Because I won't compromise on killing babies? I will NEVER compromise on that. Rauner hasn't done anything for us and he's done a lot against us. If he had vetoed the sanctuary state bill and the abortion bill, I'd be right there with you. Sorry, that's just a bridge too far for me. All the Rauner governorship has done is give Democrats cover. They can destroy the state while he's impotent to stop them...and then they can blame him for the damage they've inflicted. 
You didn't answer my questions. So, I'll restate:
 
1) Is there anything Rauner could do that would cause you not to cast a vote for him? What would it be? If not, you're a slave. What motivation is there for politicians to serve the base that elected them if we vote for them again and again no matter what? THAT seems to me to be exactly what's wrong with this state.
 
2) Do you have any confidence that Rauner won't sign HB4107 if it reaches his desk? If so, what do you base that on? If he does sign it, will you STILL vote for him next time?


Not doubt, he's not been the ideal GOP Governor, mainly as a direct result of Madigan's overwhelming power that he underestimated, BUT which of these items do you think Quinn, Pritzker, or Kennedy would have done MORE to our preference??  Do you think they would have stood strong against the budget and force a veto?  Imho, they probably would have encouraged a higher tax increase in the name of those in need. So, the point remains, even a moderate GOP candidate is better than a Democrat any day.  At least there is some resistance in letting Madigan run wild.  I'm sure you are all giddy about Duckworth beating Kirk too.  Your logic makes no sense. Stick your head in the sand and pray it goes away.  Nice.

 
The funny thing is...Quinn and Blago DIDN'T do what Rauner DID do. Quinn didn't sign a bill to allow tax money to be used to murder babies. Rauner did. This is not the arena of theory about what Pritzker or Kennedy might do. It's about what Rauner HAS done!
The budget could not have overrode Rauner's veto without Republican votes. That's a fact. What did Rauner do to whip his party in line? As far as I can tell, nothing. NOTHING!! It's almost like he wanted the tax increase...but just didn't want to sign his name to it.
Where did I say I'm "giddy" about any of it? Kirk had his uses. He never supported using tax money to murder babies and I voted for him in his last bid for re-election. I think the main reason he lost isn't because he was too liberal or too conservative. I think he lost because he's disabled. He clearly is not capable of doing the job. He can barely walk and talk. Duckworth is missing a leg and she's more spry than Kirk. What's that say? He should have been asked to step aside for another Republican to face Duckworth. Rauner needs to either step aside or someone needs to defeat him in the primary.
My logic makes no sense? Why? Because I won't compromise on killing babies? I will NEVER compromise on that. Rauner hasn't done anything for us and he's done a lot against us. If he had vetoed the sanctuary state bill and the abortion bill, I'd be right there with you. Sorry, that's just a bridge too far for me. All the Rauner governorship has done is give Democrats cover. They can destroy the state while he's impotent to stop them...and then they can blame him for the damage they've inflicted. 
You didn't answer my questions. So, I'll restate:
 
1) Is there anything Rauner could do that would cause you not to cast a vote for him? What would it be? If not, you're a slave. What motivation is there for politicians to serve the base that elected them if we vote for them again and again no matter what? THAT seems to me to be exactly what's wrong with this state.
 
2) Do you have any confidence that Rauner won't sign HB4107 if it reaches his desk? If so, what do you base that on? If he does sign it, will you STILL vote for him next time?


Soylent, I pretty much share your sentiments. I wont be voting for him in the primary, but if it comes down to him in the general, I will hold my nose and vote R down the ballot becuase it's all I can do at that point. We always get stuck with bad or worse for our choices.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 11:13 AM

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Bruce Rauner has donated $16,000 to the Lake County Republican group hosting this gun giveaway

Republicans moving ahead with gun giveaway fundraiser 2 weeks after Las Vegas massacre

http://www.chicagotr...1010-story.html

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..."Lake County Republicans are moving ahead with a fundraiser where at least a dozen firearms will be given out to donors Friday night, less than two weeks after the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history in Las Vegas.

The "2nd Amendment Dinner and Gun Raffle" in northwest suburban Kildeer features an AR-15-style semi-automatic rifle for those who pay $2,000 to sponsor the event, raffles for a 12-gauge shotgun and a 9 mm handgun, and other gun-related packages."...

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 11:56 AM

Second link is no good.