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#31 patriot1776

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 03:25 PM

Seriously, this country is about sunk.

A federal court says "you have a right to carry a firearm, BUT you can't have your right for 480 days" (paraphrasing), and we're supposed to listen?

The flag is going upside down tonight.

I hear ya , we are upside down now. Why have a Constitution and why have laws . The cork is about to pop. The weather is nice now protests need to start in Springfield and Chicago.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 03:27 PM

Quinn could sign it and be the HERO now....

That would be funny!
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 03:27 PM

Speechless!!!!!!!

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 03:30 PM

I have so many things I want to say right now but molly's profanity filter would explode! I am so sick of this state. Now, quinn will sign it on July 9th (my birthday). This is so ridiculous!!! Just another delay in our rights... I am ready to say f this state and move.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 03:33 PM

Between this and the coming income tax increase (google it if you weren't aware that IL wants to raise income taxes yet again) I am no longer torn about moving out of state. I can only hope that my interviews go well.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 03:34 PM

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 03:41 PM

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 03:42 PM

How many people think we are about to get screwed with a special session and amendment 8?
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 03:43 PM

With this in mind, 30 days is nothing to judges in that court system.


thats part of the problem.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 03:44 PM

Can she still file for cert? Well since a bill passed the house.

If you like your gun, you can keep it...... But only if you don't vote for Hillary next year.

 

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 03:46 PM

The court did say that there would be no further extensions (for what it's worth).


They already said that once....we are going to get 30 dayed until every home rule north of I80 has an awb in place.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 03:47 PM

So now we wait to see what their plan is.
Give home rule more time to enact ordinances?
Veto?
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 03:48 PM

Between this and the coming income tax increase (google it if you weren't aware that IL wants to raise income taxes yet again) I am no longer torn about moving out of state. I can only hope that my interviews go well.


Do like me, keep the job and move to Wisconsin.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 03:48 PM

Now you all didn't think they would not go down kicking and screaming like the babies they really are did you? I hope no one loses their life while we wait for this to run its course.

Edited by dan, 04 June 2013 - 03:50 PM.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 03:51 PM

Between this and the coming income tax increase (google it if you weren't aware that IL wants to raise income taxes yet again) I am no longer torn about moving out of state. I can only hope that my interviews go well.

Do like me, keep the job and move to Wisconsin.

You still get taxed at IL rates though right?
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 03:53 PM

For anyone who is even remotely surprised......... I wouild suggest they forgot where they lived - this is not a 'real' State' - hasn't been one for a looooong time.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 03:56 PM

Ok you guys win. after looking at numbers and feeling like we had the votes, which we did, my optimism is gone. I will be a pessimist from here on out.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 03:59 PM

Between this and the coming income tax increase (google it if you weren't aware that IL wants to raise income taxes yet again) I am no longer torn about moving out of state. I can only hope that my interviews go well.

Do like me, keep the job and move to Wisconsin.

You still get taxed at IL rates though right?


Ehhh yes but just income, you avoid all the "hidden" taxes. If my job was portable I would have gone back to FL by now but here I am. Who knows maybe one day I hit the lottery and open Chicagos first gun shop ;)

Edited by Patriots & Tyrants, 04 June 2013 - 04:01 PM.


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Posted 04 June 2013 - 04:01 PM

I can't say I'm surprised. We need a drastic change in this country, and this state.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 04:06 PM

I'm not a pessimist; I'm a realist. But, I don't like it one bit.

There's absolutely no reason to ever trust any branch of the government.

Edited by azone5, 04 June 2013 - 04:07 PM.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 04:08 PM

I WISH I could say I was surprised but I really can't. My gut has told me all along that we would never get concealed carry in my life time and I see that my gut is right. Court should have never gave them any time at all, just throw it out from the get go.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 04:11 PM

Ok you guys win. after looking at numbers and feeling like we had the votes, which we did, my optimism is gone. I will be a pessimist from here on out.


What do you mean todd

If you like your gun, you can keep it...... But only if you don't vote for Hillary next year.

 

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 04:17 PM

Well correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this going to allow time for all these little towns and areas to try to enact restrictions of some kind?
It's nice when you have the high ground of the Founding Fathers agreement. It means that I'm not the one with the un American view.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 04:17 PM

Ok you guys win. after looking at numbers and feeling like we had the votes, which we did, my optimism is gone. I will be a pessimist from here on out.

like I said, I am sure there are more maneuvers left to be played out to deny our rights. We need to start playing hardball and lift the transparency cloak. IMHO, we need the SCOTUS to rule on the issue.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 04:20 PM

Ok you guys win. after looking at numbers and feeling like we had the votes, which we did, my optimism is gone. I will be a pessimist from here on out.

Please tell me someone hijacked your account Todd.....

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 04:22 PM

Ok you guys win. after looking at numbers and feeling like we had the votes, which we did, my optimism is gone. I will be a pessimist from here on out.

like I said, I am sure there are more maneuvers left to be played out to deny our rights. We need to start playing hardball and lift the transparency cloak. IMHO, we need the SCOTUS to rule on the issue.


Which is unlikely they will even take the case, because even Lisa Madigan admitted in her motion to extend that we're being denied our Constitutional rights. At least I'm hoping the SCOTUS is smart enough to realize this.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 04:22 PM

Amendetory veto, AWB's, mag bans, special sessions, etc...

BOHICA

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 04:24 PM

crap...

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 04:25 PM

Extensions are routinely granted in the court system. Court systems work very slowly. If I told you that your case would be tried in 1 year, you would think that is a long time to wait. The court system, on the other hand, would say that is extremely fast.

With this in mind, 30 days is nothing to judges in that court system.


Not to mention that courts maintain their independence from the political process by staying independent of the political process and letting politics play out. 1937 still rings with the federal judiciary. Despite what we think, a dispassionate observer likely would agree that the State was not showing any contempt for the court in this process. Concealed carry legislation followed what is the standard dysfunctional political process in this state -- nothing significant happened until the last minute, after months and months of political jockeying and games. No different than pensions, gay marriage, budget, and other issues. The court will presume good faith on the part of the governor and the attorney general, that the governor now legitimately needs time to play out his valid political role. That does possibly include an amendatory veto, a special session of the legislature, and so forth. That's a legitimate part of the political process in this state. *Not* granting the stay could have been seen as interference in that political process, curtailing the role the governor plays. That the court granted this stay, and stated outright that there would be no more, can be seen as being both reasonable, and putting the state on notice that there is finality to this.


I am therefore displeased personally at this, but in a larger sense not at all surprised.

What I am looking forward to is the expiration of this one-time-only stay, and the orders of the lower courts. Illinois will argue, as illustrated by this motion, that the UUW law should not be struck, given that the state amended it and now provides (in about six months, maybe) a means to carry a firearm. My expectation, and that of the plaintiffs, is that this will be like any other law found unconstitutional -- it will not be retroactively rehabilitated by the amendments. Rather, it will be considered unconstitutional from its inception. Given that HB183 amends the existing UUW law, rather than replacing it wholesale, this could be interesting. In retrospect, this is not surprising, given the mantra we've heard from the state that *unless* the UUW law is changed, all prior convictions will be voided. They appear to be under the belief that those convictions, of an unconstitutional law, can be preserved.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 04:27 PM

My question still is, why hasn't Madigan sent the bill to Quinn? Is he also trying to delay it?

He certainly isn't helping little Lisa.