Mattl33 Posted February 24, 2018 at 03:23 PM Share Posted February 24, 2018 at 03:23 PM (edited) I was hoping to get a little advice on what to do about appealing my FOID card being revoked. I am currently in the process of fulfilling a life long dream of becoming a police officer, but need my FOID card back to continue with the application process. Here's the story: I checked into an alcohol rehab facility in June of 2016. I went through the initial check in process, but checked myself out shortly thereafter (within an hour). The facility felt like a mental hospital, I was not comfortable being there so I was out quickly. I did complete rehab at another facility that was solely for alcohol abuse and have been sober to this day (YAY!). I received a letter from ISP saying my FOID card was revoked because I voluntary checked myself into a facility that doubled as a mental health facility. I am having problems with going though the forms to appeal this decision. The "mental health prohibitor" form is asking my current mental status and dates and details of "acts of suicide or violence". It's also asking me for a forensic evaluation from a psychiatrist. I can't wrap my mind around these forms because I didn't check myself in for mental health issues. I've never been suicidal or been violent at all, never been arrested for anything, never had a DUI. Am I to just put "N/A" next to all the questions asking about these mental episodes? Should I go see a psychiatrist to get evaluated (which seems extreme for my situation)? Should I be filling out the "non-mental health" appeal form? I do have 3 people that are writing letters to vouch for me. If anyone has any insight on this I would greatly appreciate it. I am close to calling a lawyer for help, but would prefer to do this on my own. Any help or encouragement would be a tremendous help. Edited October 30, 2018 at 02:03 PM by Mattl33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted February 24, 2018 at 06:22 PM Share Posted February 24, 2018 at 06:22 PM Can you get a signed statement or something showing you checked in for only the alcohol issue? Do you have any papers showing that was why you were there and showing the extremely short time period? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattl33 Posted February 25, 2018 at 10:54 PM Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 at 10:54 PM That's a great point. I spoke with the medical records department last week, but didn't think to ask for a signed statement. I am going to call first thing tomorrow morning. Thank you! I will update after I speak with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattl33 Posted March 7, 2018 at 01:15 AM Author Share Posted March 7, 2018 at 01:15 AM Can you get a signed statement or something showing you checked in for only the alcohol issue? Do you have any papers showing that was why you were there and showing the extremely short time period? The hospital got back, they will not provide letter because I was not seen by a Dr. I went to the hospital and got my record of my check in/out, which does state in the "why are you here?" notes that I was there for drinking. I am not sure how to proceed. I am not sure if I should fill out the "mental health prohibitor" form with my appeal or should use another form. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted March 7, 2018 at 05:09 AM Share Posted March 7, 2018 at 05:09 AM Can you get a signed statement or something showing you checked in for only the alcohol issue? Do you have any papers showing that was why you were there and showing the extremely short time period? The hospital got back, they will not provide letter because I was not seen by a Dr. I went to the hospital and got my record of my check in/out, which does state in the "why are you here?" notes that I was there for drinking. I am not sure how to proceed. I am not sure if I should fill out the "mental health prohibitor" form with my appeal or should use another form. Any thoughts? I suggest you file a 'records correction' appeal for your FOID because you admitted yourself for the drinking issue and not for treatment of a mental illness: https://ispfsb.com/Public/Firearms/FOID/NonMentalHealth.pdf https://ispfsb.com/Public/Firearms/FOID/AppealRequest.pdf https://ispfsb.com/Public/Firearms/FOID/Investigation.pdf Submit a copy of the check in / check out and provide an explanation in the box provided. p.s. I believe this will make you ineligible for a CCL for the five year prohibition period for the treatment of alcoholism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattl33 Posted March 7, 2018 at 02:35 PM Author Share Posted March 7, 2018 at 02:35 PM Can you get a signed statement or something showing you checked in for only the alcohol issue? Do you have any papers showing that was why you were there and showing the extremely short time period? The hospital got back, they will not provide letter because I was not seen by a Dr. I went to the hospital and got my record of my check in/out, which does state in the "why are you here?" notes that I was there for drinking. I am not sure how to proceed. I am not sure if I should fill out the "mental health prohibitor" form with my appeal or should use another form. Any thoughts? I suggest you file a 'records correction' appeal for your FOID because you admitted yourself for the drinking issue and not for treatment of a mental illness: https://ispfsb.com/Public/Firearms/FOID/NonMentalHealth.pdf https://ispfsb.com/Public/Firearms/FOID/AppealRequest.pdf https://ispfsb.com/Public/Firearms/FOID/Investigation.pdf Submit a copy of the check in / check out and provide an explanation in the box provided. p.s. I believe this will make you ineligible for a CCL for the five year prohibition period for the treatment of alcoholism. Thank you Molly! I will be sending these forms shortly. Fingers crossed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j28791 Posted March 20, 2018 at 07:10 AM Share Posted March 20, 2018 at 07:10 AM If you have a problem with alcoholism then you are not mentally sound enough (in my opinion) to own a firearm. I know people don't like hearing this. But guns are lethal weapons and for people who are mentally stable and not on drugs. The standard has been too low for too long and it's made the gun community look really bad. Frankly, I'm tired of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa59 Posted March 28, 2018 at 01:16 AM Share Posted March 28, 2018 at 01:16 AM (edited) http://www.dhs.state.il.us/page.aspx?item=69194 Just found this link online. Not sure if it still applies but it's worth looking into.I think you'd fall in the FAQ #4 Edited March 28, 2018 at 01:18 AM by Grandpa59 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa59 Posted March 28, 2018 at 01:21 AM Share Posted March 28, 2018 at 01:21 AM From what I understand in that link, I don't see how they deem you to be a clear and present danger to yourself or anyone without having a dr diagnose you to be one by checking in and quickly checking out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggun 1 Posted March 28, 2018 at 03:14 AM Share Posted March 28, 2018 at 03:14 AM in this liberal state you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent.and they wonder why people are leaving illinois in droves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTX63 Posted March 28, 2018 at 10:59 AM Share Posted March 28, 2018 at 10:59 AM If you have a problem with alcoholism then you are not mentally sound enough (in my opinion) to own a firearm. I know people don't like hearing this. But guns are lethal weapons and for people who are mentally stable and not on drugs. The standard has been too low for too long and it's made the gun community look really bad. Frankly, I'm tired of it. Probably should ban alcoholics from driving, marrying and having children too, oh and access to marijuana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted March 28, 2018 at 03:30 PM Share Posted March 28, 2018 at 03:30 PM Probably should ban alcoholics from driving, marrying and having children too, oh and access to marijuana. Was this supposed to be in purple - for sarcasm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTX63 Posted March 28, 2018 at 08:51 PM Share Posted March 28, 2018 at 08:51 PM yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattl33 Posted March 29, 2018 at 04:29 PM Author Share Posted March 29, 2018 at 04:29 PM Thank you for the information. I am hoping ISP sees it the same way. http://www.dhs.state.il.us/page.aspx?item=69194Just found this link online. Not sure if it still applies but it's worth looking into.I think you'd fall in the FAQ #4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted March 29, 2018 at 08:09 PM Share Posted March 29, 2018 at 08:09 PM Most people I know were drunk when they got married.We were doing keg stands in a church parking lot and that included the bride and groom.To be young and stupid again just for a day. No Purple. I honestly can't think of anyone I know who was drunk when they got married, but then again no-one will make fun of you when the zombies come.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattl33 Posted April 26, 2018 at 06:30 PM Author Share Posted April 26, 2018 at 06:30 PM Hello all, just wanted to know what was the best way to get a status update on an appeal. I'm reading that some emailed ISP, but I can't seem to find the email address. I called ISP appeals and the phone kept ringing with no answer. Anything would help, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted April 26, 2018 at 09:18 PM Share Posted April 26, 2018 at 09:18 PM Hello all, just wanted to know what was the best way to get a status update on an appeal. I'm reading that some emailed ISP, but I can't seem to find the email address. I called ISP appeals and the phone kept ringing with no answer. Anything would help, thanks! CCL_Appeals@isp.state.il.us Sorry, this is for CCL appeal. don't have one for FOID appeals. We're working on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattl33 Posted April 28, 2018 at 03:16 PM Author Share Posted April 28, 2018 at 03:16 PM Thank you for the info. Does ISP send a letter confirming the appeal was received? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted April 30, 2018 at 04:38 AM Share Posted April 30, 2018 at 04:38 AM Thank you for the info. Does ISP send a letter confirming the appeal was received? No, which we find unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattl33 Posted May 16, 2018 at 08:46 PM Author Share Posted May 16, 2018 at 08:46 PM Can you get a signed statement or something showing you checked in for only the alcohol issue? Do you have any papers showing that was why you were there and showing the extremely short time period? The hospital got back, they will not provide letter because I was not seen by a Dr. I went to the hospital and got my record of my check in/out, which does state in the "why are you here?" notes that I was there for drinking. I am not sure how to proceed. I am not sure if I should fill out the "mental health prohibitor" form with my appeal or should use another form. Any thoughts? I suggest you file a 'records correction' appeal for your FOID because you admitted yourself for the drinking issue and not for treatment of a mental illness: https://ispfsb.com/Public/Firearms/FOID/NonMentalHealth.pdf https://ispfsb.com/Public/Firearms/FOID/AppealRequest.pdf https://ispfsb.com/Public/Firearms/FOID/Investigation.pdf Submit a copy of the check in / check out and provide an explanation in the box provided. p.s. I believe this will make you ineligible for a CCL for the five year prohibition period for the treatment of alcoholism. Thanks for the Molly, but I got a letter from ISP today asking for psychiatric records and for me to see a psychiatrist to get a letter from them. Should I proceed with getting this even though I was asking for a records correction and not a mental health appeal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted May 16, 2018 at 09:34 PM Share Posted May 16, 2018 at 09:34 PM Thanks for the Molly, but I got a letter from ISP today asking for psychiatric records and for me to see a psychiatrist to get a letter from them. Should I proceed with getting this even though I was asking for a records correction and not a mental health appeal? Ahhh, gee, do you even have any psychiatric records? It would probably be more expeditious to get the letter from the psychiatrist but it's not right that they are asking you to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattl33 Posted May 16, 2018 at 10:36 PM Author Share Posted May 16, 2018 at 10:36 PM Thanks for the Molly, but I got a letter from ISP today asking for psychiatric records and for me to see a psychiatrist to get a letter from them. Should I proceed with getting this even though I was asking for a records correction and not a mental health appeal? Ahhh, gee, do you even have any psychiatric records? It would probably be more expeditious to get the letter from the psychiatrist but it's not right that they are asking you to do it. I don't have any records, but I guess I can make an appt to get the letter. It's a pain and it doesn't feel right, but I'll jump through the hoop. Thank you for the advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattl33 Posted May 17, 2018 at 01:34 PM Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 at 01:34 PM Thanks for the Molly, but I got a letter from ISP today asking for psychiatric records and for me to see a psychiatrist to get a letter from them. Should I proceed with getting this even though I was asking for a records correction and not a mental health appeal? Ahhh, gee, do you even have any psychiatric records? It would probably be more expeditious to get the letter from the psychiatrist but it's not right that they are asking you to do it. Is there a list of Dr.'s that are able to provide these evaluations? I've spoke with a few offices who do not. Seems like a very specific type of service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted May 17, 2018 at 01:54 PM Share Posted May 17, 2018 at 01:54 PM Local public health Dept might be your best option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattl33 Posted October 18, 2018 at 01:59 PM Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 at 01:59 PM Just wanted to update this thread that my FOID card appeal was successful and now have an active status on the ISP website. Tips on help with this scenario: If you have an issue with a similar situation, your only hope is working with the hospital to have your name removed from the Department of Human Services list. A person seeking treatment for alcohol only is not considered a "patient" of a mental health facility and should not be reported to DHS. I was able to work with the hospital on having my name removed from this list, but you still have to go through the appeal process with ISP. My local state reps office was able to get in touch with their ISP contact in Springfield to expedite the appeal process after my name was removed. I highly recommend reaching out your rep once you have all your ducks in a row. Molly B. was also a great help during this as well. Also a big thank you to Grandpa59 for the links posted as that started me in the right direction for my end result. Greatly appreciated! Timeline: Initial appeal sent Late March, card appeal approved 10/13. Hope this information will help someone in the future as it helped me. Best of luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted October 18, 2018 at 02:07 PM Share Posted October 18, 2018 at 02:07 PM Wow, congrats on finally getting your rights restored. Glad it worked out, and sorry to hear it was such a pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango7 Posted October 19, 2018 at 07:15 PM Share Posted October 19, 2018 at 07:15 PM Glad for the positive results! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagSlap Posted October 19, 2018 at 11:17 PM Share Posted October 19, 2018 at 11:17 PM Congrats!!!! Always nice to hear about a happy ending!Now then...get to the range! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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