vito Posted January 31, 2019 at 03:47 PM Share Posted January 31, 2019 at 03:47 PM When I first received my CCL, and read that to buy a gun or ammo, only the CCL was needed since obviously I had to have a valid FOID to get the CCL, I then stopped carrying the FOID with me. My thought process was that it would be bad enough if my wallet were lost or stolen to lose my CCL, driver's license, etc. and not to add the FOID to that problematic list. But now I am not sure that if I am ever stopped by an LEO if just having my CCL with me is enough, or do I need to have the FOID also in my wallet at all times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDUC10 Posted January 31, 2019 at 03:55 PM Share Posted January 31, 2019 at 03:55 PM When I first received my CCL, and read that to buy a gun or ammo, only the CCL was needed since obviously I had to have a valid FOID to get the CCL, I then stopped carrying the FOID with me. My thought process was that it would be bad enough if my wallet were lost or stolen to lose my CCL, driver's license, etc. and not to add the FOID to that problematic list. But now I am not sure that if I am ever stopped by an LEO if just having my CCL with me is enough, or do I need to have the FOID also in my wallet at all times? I carry both. When I purchase ammo etc, I pull out my FOID. No-one else needs to know I am a CCL holder and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted January 31, 2019 at 03:59 PM Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 at 03:59 PM I understand why you carry the FOID. But is it required? In other words, would I face a charge of having a gun without a FOID if I only had the CCL with me when stopped by an LEO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdhunter1 Posted January 31, 2019 at 04:02 PM Share Posted January 31, 2019 at 04:02 PM At a gun counter or other kind of shop there is only 1 person I routinely will show my CCL to in place of my FOID, he owns the shop and he is the only one. Everyone else everywhere else just gets to see a FOID card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDUC10 Posted January 31, 2019 at 04:30 PM Share Posted January 31, 2019 at 04:30 PM I've read that you don't need to carry your FOID when you have a CCL and that's what some do. But I have nothing to back that up, just hear-say from this forum and others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigcelia Posted January 31, 2019 at 04:33 PM Share Posted January 31, 2019 at 04:33 PM No, it is not required to carry a FOID card if you have your CCL. http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=64059&p=1054609 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted January 31, 2019 at 04:41 PM Share Posted January 31, 2019 at 04:41 PM I've read that you don't need to carry your FOID when you have a CCL and that's what some do. But I have nothing to back that up, just hear-say from this forum and others. See Public Act 99-29. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted January 31, 2019 at 04:43 PM Share Posted January 31, 2019 at 04:43 PM I've read that you don't need to carry your FOID when you have a CCL and that's what some do. But I have nothing to back that up, just hear-say from this forum and others.I dont recall if this was in the FCCL or simply a JCAR rule but I cant find it at the moment. edit: and mauserme beats me by 2 minutes (a) (1) No person may acquire or possess any firearm, stun gun, or taser within this State without having in his or her possession a Firearm Owner's Identification Card previously issued in his or her name by the Department of State Police under the provisions of this Act. (2) No person may acquire or possess firearm ammunition within this State without having in his or her possession a Firearm Owner's Identification Card previously issued in his or her name by the Department of State Police under the provisions of this Act. (c-5) The provisions of paragraphs (1) and (2) ofsubsection (a) of this Section regarding the possession offirearms and firearm ammunition do not apply to the holder of a valid concealed carry license issued under the FirearmConcealed Carry Act who is in physical possession of theconcealed carry license Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted January 31, 2019 at 04:46 PM Share Posted January 31, 2019 at 04:46 PM I've read that you don't need to carry your FOID when you have a CCL and that's what some do. But I have nothing to back that up, just hear-say from this forum and others.I dont recall if this was in the FCCL or simply a JCAR rule but I cant find it at the moment. It was an amendment to the FOID Act that started as SB836 in the 99th GA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted January 31, 2019 at 04:47 PM Share Posted January 31, 2019 at 04:47 PM I understand why you carry the FOID. But is it required? In other words, would I face a charge of having a gun without a FOID if I only had the CCL with me when stopped by an LEO?Simple answer is NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted January 31, 2019 at 05:06 PM Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 at 05:06 PM Thanks for the link to the law itself. That makes it clear that with a CCL in my possession I do not have to have the FOID with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teufel Hunden Posted January 31, 2019 at 05:14 PM Share Posted January 31, 2019 at 05:14 PM There have also been multiple reports that retailers would not accept FCCL in place of a FOID for the purpose of buying a firearm or ammunition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted January 31, 2019 at 05:30 PM Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 at 05:30 PM I guess I would try to find a less ignorant retailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted January 31, 2019 at 06:12 PM Share Posted January 31, 2019 at 06:12 PM When I first received my CCL, and read that to buy a gun or ammo, only the CCL was needed since obviously I had to have a valid FOID to get the CCL, I then stopped carrying the FOID with me. My thought process was that it would be bad enough if my wallet were lost or stolen to lose my CCL, driver's license, etc. and not to add the FOID to that problematic list. But now I am not sure that if I am ever stopped by an LEO if just having my CCL with me is enough, or do I need to have the FOID also in my wallet at all times? I carry both. When I purchase ammo etc, I pull out my FOID. No-one else needs to know I am a CCL holder and more. Same for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2smartby1/2 Posted January 31, 2019 at 06:36 PM Share Posted January 31, 2019 at 06:36 PM I just purchased some ammo online, and I submitted my FOID instead of my CCL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa Posted January 31, 2019 at 06:57 PM Share Posted January 31, 2019 at 06:57 PM I've had a FOID card since I was 15 . The FOID card has been in my billfold everyday since I got it and now resides just behind my FCCL . I know I do not have to carry it along with my FCCL but I see no reason to take it out after all these years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted January 31, 2019 at 07:23 PM Share Posted January 31, 2019 at 07:23 PM When I first received my CCL, and read that to buy a gun or ammo, only the CCL was needed since obviously I had to have a valid FOID to get the CCL, I then stopped carrying the FOID with me. My thought process was that it would be bad enough if my wallet were lost or stolen to lose my CCL, driver's license, etc. and not to add the FOID to that problematic list. But now I am not sure that if I am ever stopped by an LEO if just having my CCL with me is enough, or do I need to have the FOID also in my wallet at all times? Do what ever you want to do. This has been argued to death on other threads. There is no perfect answer. I think stores demanding FOIDs when a CCL is presented is much less of a problem then when the change first occurred. I do not care if the clerk sees that I have CCL. They are not going to hold up your card and announce it to everyone that you may be carrying. Do what you think is best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hipshot Percussion Posted January 31, 2019 at 10:00 PM Share Posted January 31, 2019 at 10:00 PM I wish they would just add a spot on your Drivers License for CCL and or FOID. Then I could get rid of two cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted January 31, 2019 at 10:06 PM Share Posted January 31, 2019 at 10:06 PM I wish they would just add a spot on your Drivers License for CCL and or FOID. Then I could get rid of two cards.Nope, allows those who have no need to know Ive got a FOID/CCL. I know some don't care but I keep those on a need to know or close friend basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmHand357 Posted February 1, 2019 at 02:33 AM Share Posted February 1, 2019 at 02:33 AM When I first received my CCL, and read that to buy a gun or ammo, only the CCL was needed since obviously I had to have a valid FOID to get the CCL, I then stopped carrying the FOID with me. My thought process was that it would be bad enough if my wallet were lost or stolen to lose my CCL, driver's license, etc. and not to add the FOID to that problematic list. But now I am not sure that if I am ever stopped by an LEO if just having my CCL with me is enough, or do I need to have the FOID also in my wallet at all times? I carry both. When I purchase ammo etc, I pull out my FOID. No-one else needs to know I am a CCL holder and more. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vezpa Posted February 1, 2019 at 04:24 AM Share Posted February 1, 2019 at 04:24 AM Not aimed at the OP, but the fact that so many members here do not know the answer to this question is really, really scary. I mean we passed one good firearm bill in 4 years and you don't know it. .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle90301 Posted February 2, 2019 at 02:11 AM Share Posted February 2, 2019 at 02:11 AM I carry both they sit behind my DL. I show my FOID 99% of the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoresident Posted February 2, 2019 at 04:22 AM Share Posted February 2, 2019 at 04:22 AM I guess I would try to find a less ignorant retailer. The answer I got from a very reputable store and manufacturer was the ATF advisors that answer FFL questions told them they needed to check the FOID. They were told the conceal carry didn't count as a FOID. This is the issue when you have separate state and federal systems and laws. They are impossible to maintain consistency across. The state has no beruau that can quickly answer these questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaius Posted February 3, 2019 at 02:05 PM Share Posted February 3, 2019 at 02:05 PM Although you do not have to carry both, I would not recommend that you depend on the average cop to have any idea what the law here says. as such, yes, you will win later, but why go through the hassle? I carry both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted February 4, 2019 at 07:15 PM Share Posted February 4, 2019 at 07:15 PM The answer I got from a very reputable store and manufacturer was the ATF advisors that answer FFL questions told them they needed to check the FOID. They were told the conceal carry didn't count as a FOID. This is the issue when you have separate state and federal systems and laws. They are impossible to maintain consistency across. The state has no beruau that can quickly answer these questions. Why would the ATF care? The ATF doesn't enforce state laws. I carry the FOID when I know I'm going to buy guns and/or ammo. As someone else said, it's no one's business if I have a CCL...even the guys at the gun shop. But, you can do as you wish. If you don't care, the law allows you to buy guns and ammo with a CCL. As for the police...I don't tell them anything unless asked. I've seen waaaaay too many cases where cops screwed over and maliciously went after gun owners. Screw them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoresident Posted February 4, 2019 at 07:49 PM Share Posted February 4, 2019 at 07:49 PM This is the issue when you have separate state and federal Why would the ATF care? The ATF doesn't enforce state laws. Because they get their federally issued Firearms license revoked if they run afoul of state laws. Therein lies the issue. Federal and State laws and authorities begin to clash when you have 2 completely different systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splash Posted February 5, 2019 at 01:54 AM Share Posted February 5, 2019 at 01:54 AM I carry both for the same reason mentioned above. They don't need to know I'm carrying while buying ammo. I carry both in this Micro Wallet together with my USCCA card. My DL, CC, Insurance Card in this wallet. The only time I pull out my CCL/FOID wallet is when I get home to change clothes or if I buy ammo, otherwise it stays in my pocket the whole time. Less chance of losing it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodoun da Vinci Posted February 5, 2019 at 07:14 PM Share Posted February 5, 2019 at 07:14 PM I made the mistake of showing my CCL when purchasing ammunition as I was told my CCL superseded my FOID for such things so why carry both? I showed my CCL at the cash register where the Girl Child behind the registers eyes grew wide with terror and she loudly and in a panicked voice asked "Are you carrying a gun?!" At which point everyone near us turned and went into condition Yellow hearing the word "Gun!" This was at the Farm Store. luckily an assistant manager jumped in and explained to her and apologized to me. I'll never buy ammunition again except online or at a LGS and I put my CCL at the bak of my Wallet and show DL or FOID if needed. Young people in America don;t need to know I can concealed carry....many of them cannot be discrete. VooDoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yas Posted February 6, 2019 at 09:33 PM Share Posted February 6, 2019 at 09:33 PM I was outside Crook county and stoped at a mega sized retail store and purchased some quality defensive carry .45ACP ammo. Was asked for FOID specifically not my CCL. The story there is ISP told them they need to see FOID as some CCL holders have not renewed FOID and let them expire. But that the story I was told today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted February 9, 2019 at 10:32 PM Share Posted February 9, 2019 at 10:32 PM I was outside Crook county and stoped at a mega sized retail store and purchased some quality defensive carry .45ACP ammo. Was asked for FOID specifically not my CCL. The story there is ISP told them they need to see FOID as some CCL holders have not renewed FOID and let them expire. But that the story I was told today. Somebody there is confused. If the FOID is invalid, then the CCL is invalid. On another thread someone stated that the ISP sent them notice that their CCL was suspended because they have let their FOID expire. This is from section 70 of the FCCA. (h) A license issued or renewed under this Act shall be revoked if, at any time, the licensee is found ineligible for a Firearm Owner's Identification Card, or the licensee no longer possesses a valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card. A licensee whose license is revoked under this subsection (h) shall surrender his or her concealed carry license as provided for in subsection (g) of this Section. This subsection shall not apply to a person who has filed an application with the State Police for renewal of a Firearm Owner's Identification Card and who is not otherwise ineligible to obtain a Firearm Owner's Identification Card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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