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#1 409gary

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Posted 30 August 2017 - 06:08 PM

I have a question regarding the Walther MP 5 .22 Cal.  Is it correct, that the 16" barrel keeps this gun from

from being a NFA item?   At what point is a "compensator" deemed to be a "silencer" or "noise suppressor"?

I understand these rifles are no longer imported to the us, but they are still legal without NFA stamp, correct?

 

Hope this makes sense.  If anyone can shed a little light I would appreciate it.  Thanks.


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Posted 30 August 2017 - 07:22 PM

GSG makes them now.. Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 09:00 PM

GSG makes them now..

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Two different guns, both suck.

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 09:10 AM

Not sure if the GSG or Walther(probably made by Umarex) are still being made.

16" is the magic number that divides a "regular" rifle from an SBR.

Even if they are no longer in the supply chain, what is in country would still be legal and not require NFA stamp unless there was a changed ATF ruling.

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 09:40 AM

I see both brands for sale on gun deals dot com. I would not buy either one.


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Posted 01 September 2017 - 10:42 AM

CDNN has them for cheap, because they are cheap.  


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Posted 03 September 2017 - 05:53 AM

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Two different guns, both suck.

Did you have a bad experience with one of them? I have the Walther/Umarex one and couldn't be happier. It's accurate even with bulk ammo and has never jammed, not even once, in a couple thousand rounds. I've shot Steel Challenge with it a few times. The two things I don't like are the collapsible stock isn't the most comfortable to get a cheek weld and it's heavier than I'd like.

To the OP, it's a rfile, legally speaking. The barrel is at least 16" and the faux suppressor just slips over it and screws down tight. It doesn't add anything but weight and looks. It's not a comp, brake, etc. I thought that at some point in the future I would chop the barrel to make it into an SBR and didn't want to deal with getting the pistol and having to buy a stock later. I'm thinking that this was a good move as I don't really see these on sale anywhere, let alone just the stocks.

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:04 PM

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Two different guns, both suck.

Did you have a bad experience with one of them? I have the Walther/Umarex one and couldn't be happier. It's accurate even with bulk ammo and has never jammed, not even once, in a couple thousand rounds. I've shot Steel Challenge with it a few times. The two things I don't like are the collapsible stock isn't the most comfortable to get a cheek weld and it's heavier than I'd like.
To the OP, it's a rfile, legally speaking. The barrel is at least 16" and the faux suppressor just slips over it and screws down tight. It doesn't add anything but weight and looks. It's not a comp, brake, etc. I thought that at some point in the future I would chop the barrel to make it into an SBR and didn't want to deal with getting the pistol and having to buy a stock later. I'm thinking that this was a good move as I don't really see these on sale anywhere, let alone just the stocks.

Never owned one. Shot a few different ones. Consistant sub par performance. Sold a decent number, customers almost always complained about them. Like the Sig Mosquito there may be a few that work ok, but the majority are junk.

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 05:20 PM

[quote name="ultra magnus" post="1104630" timestamp="1504461845"][quote name="jagt48" post="1104602" timestamp="1504439624"][quote name="ultra magnus" post="1104431" timestamp="1504234849"][quote name="Helpdesk9" post="1104252" timestamp="1504142561"]GSG makes them now..
Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk[/quote]

Two different guns, both suck.[/quote]

Did you have a bad experience with one of them? I have the Walther/Umarex one and couldn't be happier. It's accurate even with bulk ammo and has never jammed, not even once, in a couple thousand rounds. I've shot Steel Challenge with it a few times. The two things I don't like are the collapsible stock isn't the most comfortable to get a cheek weld and it's heavier than I'd like.
To the OP, it's a rfile, legally speaking. The barrel is at least 16" and the faux suppressor just slips over it and screws down tight. It doesn't add anything but weight and looks. It's not a comp, brake, etc. I thought that at some point in the future I would chop the barrel to make it into an SBR and didn't want to deal with getting the pistol and having to buy a stock later. I'm thinking that this was a good move as I don't really see these on sale anywhere, let alone just the stocks.[/quote]

Never owned one. Shot a few different ones. Consistant sub par performance. Sold a decent number, customers almost always complained about them. Like the Sig Mosquito there may be a few that work ok, but the majority are junk.[/quote]

Just to be clear, are you talking about the Walther/Umarex MP5 or the GSG that Walther sued for copyright infringement?

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 06:17 PM

[quote name="jagt48" post="1104660" timestamp="1504480838"][quote name="ultra magnus" post="1104630" timestamp="1504461845"][quote name="jagt48" post="1104602" timestamp="1504439624"][quote name="ultra magnus" post="1104431" timestamp="1504234849"][quote name="Helpdesk9" post="1104252" timestamp="1504142561"]GSG makes them now..
Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk[/quote]

Two different guns, both suck.[/quote]

Did you have a bad experience with one of them? I have the Walther/Umarex one and couldn't be happier. It's accurate even with bulk ammo and has never jammed, not even once, in a couple thousand rounds. I've shot Steel Challenge with it a few times. The two things I don't like are the collapsible stock isn't the most comfortable to get a cheek weld and it's heavier than I'd like.
To the OP, it's a rfile, legally speaking. The barrel is at least 16" and the faux suppressor just slips over it and screws down tight. It doesn't add anything but weight and looks. It's not a comp, brake, etc. I thought that at some point in the future I would chop the barrel to make it into an SBR and didn't want to deal with getting the pistol and having to buy a stock later. I'm thinking that this was a good move as I don't really see these on sale anywhere, let alone just the stocks.[/quote]

Never owned one. Shot a few different ones. Consistant sub par performance. Sold a decent number, customers almost always complained about them. Like the Sig Mosquito there may be a few that work ok, but the majority are junk.[/quote]

Just to be clear, are you talking about the Walther/Umarex MP5 or the GSG that Walther sued for copyright infringement?[/quote]

Technically I was speaking of the umarex, but I've had the exact same experience with the gsg. I'd rate the umarex a little better than the gsg but the airgun heritage feels pretty apparent in both. They hold up more like airsoft guns than real weapons.

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 06:48 PM

Got it. I agree it does feel like a toy as it's mostly plastic and cheap metal, but I've saving my pennies for a Zenith Z5-RS. This will have to do in the meantime. Sorry to derail the thread...

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 09:26 AM

You should check out the CZ Scorpion, in pistol or carbine.



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Posted 04 September 2017 - 10:38 AM

You should check out the CZ Scorpion, in pistol or carbine.


Not sure who that was directed to, but that makes more sense. I've slowly been trying to convince myself that this is the better choice. Half the price, $20 magazines, and has a bolt hold open.

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 12:36 PM

[quote name="jagt48" post="1104670" timestamp="1504486121"]Got it. I agree it does feel like a toy as it's mostly plastic and cheap metal, but I've saving my pennies for a Zenith Z5-RS. This will have to do in the meantime. Sorry to derail the thread...[/quote

That z5rs is appealing, although pricey, isn't it?
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Posted 04 September 2017 - 05:22 PM

[quote name="InterestedBystander" post="1104739" timestamp="1504550193"][quote name="jagt48" post="1104670" timestamp="1504486121"]Got it. I agree it does feel like a toy as it's mostly plastic and cheap metal, but I've saving my pennies for a Zenith Z5-RS. This will have to do in the meantime. Sorry to derail the thread...[/quote

That z5rs is appealing, although pricey, isn't it?[/quote]

It's a silly choice I know, but I've wanted an MP5 since I was a kid. My PTR-91 is fun, but definitely not cheap to shoot. Obviously the answer to is spend $2k on an MP5 clone and a few mags instead of 4k rounds of 7.62 NATO...

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 11:50 AM

 

You should check out the CZ Scorpion, in pistol or carbine.


Not sure who that was directed to, but that makes more sense. I've slowly been trying to convince myself that this is the better choice. Half the price, $20 magazines, and has a bolt hold open.

 

 

 

The Scorpion, in carbine, is a fun gun.  I have one.  If you buy one, get ready to buy more ammo.  It's half the price if the Zenith and I've seen 30 round mags for less than $20 and it's super easy to clean.



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Posted 06 September 2017 - 08:20 AM

You should check out the CZ Scorpion, in pistol or carbine.


Not sure who that was directed to, but that makes more sense. I've slowly been trying to convince myself that this is the better choice. Half the price, $20 magazines, and has a bolt hold open.
 
 
The Scorpion, in carbine, is a fun gun.  I have one.  If you buy one, get ready to buy more ammo.  It's half the price if the Zenith and I've seen 30 round mags for less than $20 and it's super easy to clean.

You're not making this any easier!

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 08:19 PM

 


 
The Scorpion, in carbine, is a fun gun.  I have one.  If you buy one, get ready to buy more ammo.  It's half the price if the Zenith and I've seen 30 round mags for less than $20 and it's super easy to clean.

You're not making this any easier!

 

 

Telling you that "the Scorpion pistol (especially when connected to a single point sling) is a lot of fun to shoot" isn't going to make it easier, either.



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Posted 07 September 2017 - 11:47 AM

 

 


 
The Scorpion, in carbine, is a fun gun.  I have one.  If you buy one, get ready to buy more ammo.  It's half the price if the Zenith and I've seen 30 round mags for less than $20 and it's super easy to clean.

You're not making this any easier!

 

 

Telling you that "the Scorpion pistol (especially when connected to a single point sling) is a lot of fun to shoot" isn't going to make it easier, either.

 

 

 

 

I have the carbine, not the pistol, but I can tell ya, it's a lot of fun to shoot.



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Posted 07 September 2017 - 03:51 PM

I'm currently shopping for a brace for a future pistol purchase...

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Posted 07 September 2017 - 10:00 PM

Dupe *delete*


Edited by InterestedBystander, 07 September 2017 - 10:02 PM.

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Posted 07 September 2017 - 10:02 PM

I'm currently shopping for a brace for a future pistol purchase...

MP5-RH-collapsed-logo-sized.jpg

(not released yet, but was slated for later in year. Tailhook Mod 3)

Edited by InterestedBystander, 07 September 2017 - 10:03 PM.

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Posted 08 September 2017 - 09:06 AM

I'm currently shopping for a brace for a future pistol purchase...

MP5-RH-collapsed-logo-sized.jpg
(not released yet, but was slated for later in year. Tailhook Mod 3)

I was looking at the Tailhook Mod 1 that is out for the Scorpion. It apparently uses just the extension part of the CZ stock as the ATF doesn't include this part in its definition. Go figure. That HK picture keeps popping up in my searches and reminds me of why I wanted the HK in the first place.

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Posted 08 September 2017 - 10:37 AM

I'm currently shopping for a brace for a future pistol purchase...

MP5-RH-collapsed-logo-sized.jpg
(not released yet, but was slated for later in year. Tailhook Mod 3)

I was looking at the Tailhook Mod 1 that is out for the Scorpion. It apparently uses just the extension part of the CZ stock as the ATF doesn't include this part in its definition. Go figure. That HK picture keeps popping up in my searches and reminds me of why I wanted the HK in the first place.

The fixed SB5 brace also gives the MP5/Zenith clones that classic look. Some say the MP5 platform is outdated, but I still find it appealing.

Zenith_Z-5RS_ArmBrace_Right_Feather_2880


Apologies to the OP for taking original question off track.
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Posted 08 September 2017 - 11:04 AM

[quote name="InterestedBystander" post="1105085" timestamp="1504888625"][quote name="jagt48" post="1105079" timestamp="1504883186"][quote name="InterestedBystander" post="1105031" timestamp="1504843320"][quote name="jagt48" post="1104999" timestamp="1504821102"]
I'm currently shopping for a brace for a future pistol purchase...[/quote]
MP5-RH-collapsed-logo-sized.jpg
(not released yet, but was slated for later in year. Tailhook Mod 3)[/quote]

I was looking at the Tailhook Mod 1 that is out for the Scorpion. It apparently uses just the extension part of the CZ stock as the ATF doesn't include this part in its definition. Go figure. That HK picture keeps popping up in my searches and reminds me of why I wanted the HK in the first place.[/quote]

The fixed SB5 brace also gives the MP5/Zenith clones that classic look. Some say the MP5 platform is outdated, but I still find it appealing.Zenith_Z-5RS_ArmBrace_Right_Feather_2880
Apologies to the OP for taking original question off track.[/quote]

This was my original intention. The price difference between the Zenith and CZ is really what's holding me back.

Also, yes, apologies to the OP. I keep veering this thread off track...




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