ddan Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:25 PM Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:25 PM Willis: "um, so what, um, mental health, um..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:26 PM Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:26 PM Mr. Turner now questions the cost of fingerprints. Ms. Willis says that are as low as $28, a stretch of the imagination by any measure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:27 PM Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:27 PM He continues by questioning the increased FOID fee, and mentions that a new applicant would have to pay around $150 to get a FOID card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:28 PM Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:28 PM Rep Turner says he's cool with fingerprinting, but people have a right to own a firearm and he's worring that certain communities can't afford to pay this. He adds that we will make criminals of people who own guns but won't be able to afford a FOID renewal. He syas this cost is a light bill - it's groceries. Typically, the sponsor is completely tone deaf to the needs of the communities Mr. Turner speaks of. She continues her allegiance to her Bloomberg sponsored masters instead of the people of this state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:32 PM Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:32 PM In all honesty, this is the perfect legal challenge. So much wrong with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Porkchop Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:33 PM Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:33 PM In all honesty, this is the perfect legal challenge. So much wrong with it.True, they ramrod this through like most stuff and it makes the challenge to the FOID have even more teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:33 PM Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:33 PM Ms. Willis offers to consider an "indigent fund" if there's a problem. Mr. Turner says there will be a problem. And he doesn't think we should be picking and choosing who can afford to own a gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:34 PM Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:34 PM Representative McDermed asks if any consideration has been given to the Constitutionality of these fees. Rep Wills answers "Nope". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:35 PM Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:35 PM McDermed continues asking why we are adding more law about straw purchasers when current law isn't enforced. A CPD member says that isn't his area of expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddan Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:36 PM Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:36 PM http://www.ilga.gov/house/Rep.asp?MemberID=2656 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:38 PM Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:38 PM John Thomson (ISP) explains the costs of the FOID program as it is transferred to gun owners. No explanation if offered as to why the state bears the entire cost of our voting system, including registration of voters and issuance of voter ID cards, but will not do so with our 2A rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:38 PM Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:38 PM Representative McDermed asks if any consideration has been given to the Constitutionality of these fees. Rep Wills answers "Nope".At least it's an honest answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:39 PM Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:39 PM http://www.ilga.gov/house/Rep.asp?MemberID=2656 Maybe McDermed instead of Brant. I'm not that good with their voices only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:39 PM Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:39 PM Representative McDermed asks if any consideration ahs been given to the Constitutionality of these fees. Rep Wills answers "Nope". Good. She just admitted it’s unconstitutional in a sense lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springfield shooter Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:39 PM Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:39 PM Rep Turner says he's cool with fingerprinting, but people have a right to own a firearm and he's worring that certain communities can't afford to pay this. He adds that we will make criminals of people who own guns but won't be able to afford a FOID renewal. He syas this cost is a light bill - it's groceries. Typically, the sponsor is completely tone deaf to the needs of the communities Mr. Turner speaks of. She continues her allegiance to her Bloomberg sponsored masters instead of the people of this state. I'm not cool with being required to provide fingerprints to exercise a constitutionally protected right. Regarding making criminals of people that own guns: for people of Rep. Willis' ilk, that's a feature, not a bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:42 PM Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:42 PM McDermed/Bryant continues by asking if there's no political will on the part of our States Attorneys to prosecute, how is punishing law abiding gun owners with this elaborate system going to fix that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springfield shooter Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:43 PM Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:43 PM Representative McDermed asks if any consideration has been given to the Constitutionality of these fees. Rep Wills answers "Nope". If this bill would pass, it'll BE considered. And by people with a lot more authority than a state representative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots & Tyrants Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:44 PM Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:44 PM Representative McDermed asks if any consideration ahs been given to the Constitutionality of these fees. Rep Wills answers "Nope". That sounds about par for the course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:46 PM Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:46 PM ROFLMAO, seriously, They think that actual Straw Purchasers will go back and file paperwork? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:46 PM Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:46 PM McDermed states that studies show Cook County is not serious about fixing there violence problem (judicially), and we shouldn't be punishing law abiding gun owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:48 PM Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:48 PM Now Rep Bryant (?) says they were assured this is not about fingerprinting and that fingerprinting is not acceptable to her caucus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:53 PM Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:53 PM Conversation continues about the cost of a CCL - about how the high cost was supposed to be temporary, in order to set up the system. Rep Bryant points out that rather than reducing the cost of a CCL as was supposed to happen, we are now talking about increasing the cost of a FOID card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:54 PM Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:54 PM Republicans on Committe putting up great arguments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:54 PM Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:54 PM She also wonders how we can tell an individual business owner how much they can charge per transaction. She says they are not going to do that for $10, and she doesn't think we can force them to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:55 PM Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:55 PM Ms. Bryant suggests HB3839 is a bill that addresses all the issues and could probably get bi-partisan support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:57 PM Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:57 PM Representative Parkhurst says she finds this bill Constitutionally offensive, saying its the same thing as required a fee to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmcc Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:58 PM Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:58 PM Voting does get people killed... Vote in the wrong person and war... Adolf anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:58 PM Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:58 PM She also wonders how we can tell an individual business owner how much they can charge per transaction. She says they are not going to do that for $10, and she doesn't think we can force them to do it.She also brought up the other sides vehemence to charging $10 for voter identification, for charging for a Constitutional Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:58 PM Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 02:58 PM I'm away a minute or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted May 21, 2019 at 03:01 PM Share Posted May 21, 2019 at 03:01 PM Rep Windhurst (sp?) questioning the Constitutionality of fingerprinting for basic Firearm ownership, if any other states (Hawai maybe) and if those states are being challenged (Hawai is). Willis alleges her lawyer says it's ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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