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#1 Sweeper13

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Posted 10 November 2017 - 11:53 PM

 I live a few blocks from where he was arrested. Then just to give him an I - bond. WOW

 

Got this from SCC.  

 

http://www.cookcount...11_05_2017.html


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 12:14 AM

I live a few blocks from where he was arrested. Then just to give him an I - bond. WOW
 
Got this from SCC.  
 
http://www.cookcount...11_05_2017.html


Sheriff Dart reminds the public that the defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty by the government in a court of law.

Unless you're applying for a CCL in Cook county, then you're guilty from the start!

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 07:43 AM

 

 

Further investigation found that Withers, a Hillside resident, has a previous felony conviction and does not have a Firearm Owner’s Identification (FOID) card or Concealed Carry permit

 

Naturally he doesn't have a FOID or FCCL. He is a felon...but he was back on the street and caught with a gun.How could this be? We're tough on gun crimes!

 

 

 

Withers was taken into custody and charged with aggravated unlawful use of a weapon, a class 2 felony.

 

Right.

 

 

 

During a bond court appearance on Saturday, Withers received an I-bond and was released on his own recognizance.

 

There's that tough on gun crime thing again. At what point does the judge just decide that this guy is a repeat offender and is a danger to others? This is insane. 


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 08:14 AM

At what point does the judge just decide that this guy is a repeat offender and is a danger to others ?

 

 

Well history has shown that felons will repeatedly be given a slap on the wrist until they actually murder someone, at which point they'll receive a sentence that is commensurate with the amount of press coverage the crime gets.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 08:33 AM

Tom Dart is a clown! Such a hypocrite. 



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 08:55 AM

They don't mention the judge who did this.  While I am no fan of Dart, don't think we can blame this on him.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:00 AM

I've said before that the NRA should follow the very successful model that MAD created - having members sit in the courtroom of the judge when they're making these horrible decisions and call them out publicly on it.

 

Illinois judges have absolutely failed the citizens, they have proven themselves corrupt, inept, untrustworthy and not deserving of being granted the responsibility of judicial discretion.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:06 AM

Whats a 14 round clip?



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:10 AM

Whats a 14 round clip?

I think its something that's put in ones hair...What do I know... Back on topic..lol



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:15 AM

Judges who let people like this off easy hurts everyone including the suspect.  Guarantee this guy is a known gangbanger.  He is more safe in jail for his own well being and obviously the general public.  Maybe the judge just wants the gangs to kill him which I would wager is a pretty good chance of happening.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 12:54 PM

It's this kind of stuff that makes me rage. Dude who is at least a two time loser and yet gets an I-bond for a felony charge. What the hey!!!.

Meanwhile in Springfield they are trying to make this the only way a person can own a weapon.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 01:30 PM

I sent the story to Rep Willis,asking her to look into why he was released on I Bond. Since this guy was arrested in her district. Im sure it will go into her spam folder. I dont have a Facebook page, can someone post the link on her FB page?


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 04:17 PM

The big problem is that he was a felon.

 

300 dollars and having to wait 3-4 months to get a concealed carry permit is in my view an unconstitutional poll tax that negatively impacts people of color, minorities, and the poor. If this guy wasn't a felon would he have been treated harsher?



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 09:00 AM

Illinois is notable in that many governors and supreme court judges serve their second term in prison.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 09:02 AM

Naturally he doesn't have a FOID or FCCL. He is a felon...

 

When the FOID card program was first started, the Chicago Tribune submitted an application for John Dillinger. In addition, they used the address of the Terra Haute prison that he escaped from (on the pre-printed form, they had to white-out the state of Illinois and write in Indiana).

 

It was approved.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 09:18 AM

Well history has shown that felons will repeatedly be given a slap on the wrist until they actually murder someone, at which point they'll receive a sentence that is commensurate with the amount of press coverage the crime gets.

 

One of the longest trials in California history was over the two punks who killed a cop in an onion field. On March 9th, 1963, police officer Ian Campbell was murdered in an onion field by Jimmy Lee Smith and Gregory Powell. The "Onion Field" murder was front page, movie material stuff.

 

(Trivia alert: a young Ted Danson played Ian Campbell in the movie.)

 

On September 4, 1963, both were convicted; and on September 12, 1963, both were sentenced to death for the cold-blooded, execution style killing of an on-duty, uniformed, police officer. Let me repeat that -- the cold-blooded, execution style killing of an on-duty, uniformed, police officer. 

 

In July 1967, their convictions were voided because of Miranda. The retrials started in January of 1968 and ended in November 1969 (and you thought OJ was something). Smith got life; Powell got death.

 

Jimmy Lee Smith, one of the convicted killers, originally sentenced to death in the gas chamber, was paroled on February 24, 1982 -- less than 21 years for the cold-blooded, execution style killing of an on-duty, uniformed, police officer.

 

While 21 years is not a slap on the wrist, it is trivial for the crime -- a crime that that was made into a movie.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 09:27 AM

A previous 1) felon who is caught illegally carrying a 2) gun, which was 3) stolen, is released on his own recognizance!

"Sheriff Dart reminds the public that the defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty by the government in a court of law."

Since when does paying bond mean you are guilty? If that was so, nobody should pay bond who pleads not guilty.

And Wayne just wants felon even legally carrying a gun jailed? This article "says it all" regarding Chicago killings.

https://www.nratv.co...p-violent-crime

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 10:37 AM

A previous 1) felon who is caught illegally carrying a 2) gun, which was 3) stolen, is released on his own recognizance!

"Sheriff Dart reminds the public that the defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty by the government in a court of law."

Since when does paying bond mean you are guilty? If that was so, nobody should pay bond who pleads not guilty.

And Wayne just wants felon even legally carrying a gun jailed? This article "says it all" regarding Chicago killings.

https://www.nratv.co...p-violent-crime

 

I'm not sure I follow what you are saying at all. Jovantae Withers is a twice convicted felon with quite the rap sheet for a 23 year old. The gun he was carrying was stolen. Is he guilty? That will be decided in court but this thug is never going have a FOID or CCL. This isn't a guy who made one small mistake and goes through the process of having his conviction expunged. At 23 this guy is already a career criminal. He should have NEVER been given an I-bond, AAMOF he should have had a bond that kept him in jail until trial.

 

I really don't understand "And Wayne just wants felon even legally carrying a gun jailed?"

 

This guy was far from legally carrying, this is the kind of guy that our tax dollars are going to go for because eventually he is going to be incarcerated for life.

 

I'm sure he pleaded not guilty but his bond should have been $500,000. Don't pay it and sit, you will have your day in court.

Then you will get ANOTHER felony conviction or two.

 

You want to know why this guy got an I-bond? Likely because at his bond hearing he ratted out the guy he bought the stolen gun from. Say like someone on this forum who had their house broken into when they were out or quite possibly somebody in Elmhurst.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 12:43 PM

A previous 1) felon who is caught illegally carrying a 2) gun, which was 3) stolen, is released on his own recognizance!

"Sheriff Dart reminds the public that the defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty by the government in a court of law."

Since when does paying bond mean you are guilty? If that was so, nobody should pay bond who pleads not guilty.

And Wayne just wants felon even legally carrying a gun jailed? This article "says it all" regarding Chicago killings.

https://www.nratv.co...p-violent-crime

 
I'm not sure I follow what you are saying at all. Jovantae Withers is a twice convicted felon with quite the rap sheet for a 23 year old. The gun he was carrying was stolen. Is he guilty? That will be decided in court but this thug is never going have a FOID or CCL. This isn't a guy who made one small mistake and goes through the process of having his conviction expunged. At 23 this guy is already a career criminal. He should have NEVER been given an I-bond, AAMOF he should have had a bond that kept him in jail until trial.
 
I really don't understand "And Wayne just wants felon even legally carrying a gun jailed?"
 
This guy was far from legally carrying, this is the kind of guy that our tax dollars are going to go for because eventually he is going to be incarcerated for life.
 
I'm sure he pleaded not guilty but his bond should have been $500,000. Don't pay it and sit, you will have your day in court.
Then you will get ANOTHER felony conviction or two.
 
You want to know why this guy got an I-bond? Likely because at his bond hearing he ratted out the guy he bought the stolen gun from. Say like someone on this forum who had their house broken into when they were out or quite possibly somebody in Elmhurst.

I think I agree with you.  If this guy got the opportunity to post bond, it should have been extremely high.  
 
Wayne was assuming most gangbangers would be felons carrying guns when arrested for other things. He wanted each of them jailed as an answer to high number of killings.  In my opinion, this guy had 1 strike before arrest and a probable 2 strikes after arrest. So he well exceeded the criteria Wayne called out (arresting a felon carrying a gun) for jailing this felon.
 
I disagreed with Sheriff Dart reminding the public that the defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty to justify this felon getting released on his own recognizance. Bond has nothing to do with innocent or guilty. Lots of innocent people pay bond to get out of jail before they receive their due process.

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 06:44 PM

I misunderstood you and just wanted to clarify. Jovantae Withers is the exact person that nobody wants to see walking the streets. I literally also thought you were saying that posting bond was an assumption of being not guilty. I didn't realize that you were talking about Dart and his bumbling incompetence so I apologize, no offense was intended.

 

The thing is with Dart is unless you are familiar with him or pro 2nd amendment, you have no idea what an actual idiot he is. As an example most of family on my mothers side is buried in Oakridge cemetery and I own 4 plots. Some of that side of the family goes back to the mid 1800s and there are tombstones that I actually rubbed using charcoal because they are so old that soon there will be nothing on them. My family always assumed Oakridge was in Hillside which where Jovantae Withers is from. My deed to the graves say Hillside. Hillside and the surrounding suburbs were once a nice place. I wont waste anyone's time with how bad these once nice suburbs have become.

 

It turns out Oakridge isn't in Hillside. It is unincorporated Cook County and that's where Tom Dart comes into play. Last February while they were having a burial for a gangbanger somebody shot some 36 year old guy multiple times that they evidently didn't like. There were 60 witnesses. 60 people left the guy to die in the middle of a cemetery. 9 months later Dart and his crack crew of underlings has not been able to solve this case. 60 witnesses and you couldn't break ONE? Great police work. Plus it also shows the mindset of these 60 people. You have to be pretty cold blooded to let somebody just bleed out and die. Multiply that by 60.



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Posted 13 November 2017 - 11:39 AM

But wait, I know this can't be true because on Cops TV if they find a felon with a gun they're automatically guilty. You just check two things...felon...gun...and you're done.



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Posted 14 November 2017 - 09:09 AM

They slapped some scumbag here on the wrist for firing a sawed off shotgun at cars while he stood in his lawn. Another guy got caught with a stolen gun with a defaced serial number, felon in possession, and about nine other offenses. Guess what he walked away with? One count of AUUW. Rest of the charges, dropped. Not picked up by the US Attorney for the Central District of Illinois (although we did have a meth case and one gun case picked up by the USA). Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk
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Posted 14 November 2017 - 06:37 PM

The bond should be reasonable and achievable by the alleged perp.  Why?  This  Cook county income could offset the loss of taxes not collected on sodas.  That would teach'm a lesson...................  


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Posted 14 November 2017 - 10:46 PM

Naturally he doesn't have a FOID or FCCL. He is a felon...

 
When the FOID card program was first started, the Chicago Tribune submitted an application for John Dillinger. In addition, they used the address of the Terra Haute prison that he escaped from (on the pre-printed form, they had to white-out the state of Illinois and write in Indiana).
 
It was approved.

I remember that story, but I think it was the Daily News that did it some time in the late 1970s, because that's when I first started reading the newspaper daily and that's the one my parents subscribed to. Even then I thought "of course Dillinger got his FOIOD, it can't be that John Dillinger because he's long dead" lol.
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Posted 15 November 2017 - 06:01 AM

I see this John Dillinger thing mentioned in message boards but have not yet seen a link to the newspaper who published it.  I suspect this is a 'media memory hole' moment.  


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Posted 15 November 2017 - 11:55 AM

 

 

Naturally he doesn't have a FOID or FCCL. He is a felon...

 
When the FOID card program was first started, the Chicago Tribune submitted an application for John Dillinger. In addition, they used the address of the Terra Haute prison that he escaped from (on the pre-printed form, they had to white-out the state of Illinois and write in Indiana).
 
It was approved.

 

I remember that story, but I think it was the Daily News that did it some time in the late 1970s, because that's when I first started reading the newspaper daily and that's the one my parents subscribed to. Even then I thought "of course Dillinger got his FOIOD, it can't be that John Dillinger because he's long dead" lol.

 

 

I know that in the late '70s, the Sun-Times apparently got one issued in Dillinger's name, even using his photo from the FBI as his picture for the card. That would be on microfiche somewhere, unless it has been digitized and uploaded in their archives.

 

Here is a mention of it in a 2013 document . . .

 

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MANAGEMENT AUDIT OF THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE POLICE’S ADMINISTRATION OF THE FIREARM OWNER’S IDENTIFICATION CARD ACT

 

. . . which includes the following:

 

Illinois’ system of background checks hasn’t improved sufficiently since Sun-Times reporters in the 1970s got an Illinois Firearm Owner’s Identification Card for John Dillinger simply by filling out a form and submitting Dillinger’s photo.


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