Lou Posted December 29, 2019 at 08:20 PM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 08:20 PM https://defensemaven.io/bluelivesmatter/news/gunman-opens-fire-in-texas-church-armed-church-members-take-him-out-Fc7Kb5DdokqWBOWSMfsZAQ A good buy with a gun vs a bad with a shotgun. KTVT reports that the gunman walked up to a server during communion and started shooting people. That's when an armed church member shot the suspect. The shooting was captured on the church's service livestream, which has since been taken down. WFAA reports that the video showed multiple armed church members rushing the shooter after the attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted December 29, 2019 at 08:44 PM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 08:44 PM Video of attack here (warning for violence). Shows how quick it went down and was over. Matter of seconds https://streamable.com/m8sly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timber Posted December 29, 2019 at 08:48 PM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 08:48 PM That's why even preaching I carry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted December 29, 2019 at 09:03 PM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 09:03 PM Looks like some of the "officials" are "baffled" about how the shooter was shot... It's not like s magic bullet came out of the alter to stop this. https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-church-shooting-texas-injured-active Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted December 29, 2019 at 09:24 PM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 09:24 PM Frame by frame it looks like someone laying on the ground close to maybe his feet where he standing fired up at them. You can see the muzzle flash and then he drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragos111 Posted December 29, 2019 at 09:28 PM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 09:28 PM Looks like there are multiple guys with guns. I am guessing the guy at the top left of the screen took the shot that took him down, but it's not totally clear. After that four or five other guys with guns drawn move to the front. Not a good church to attack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmallie Posted December 29, 2019 at 09:36 PM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 09:36 PM 18 seconds in video looks like security guard on top left nails him.Whatever was said right beforehand got some people alerted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FF1984 Posted December 29, 2019 at 09:51 PM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 09:51 PM Was he security or just an attendee? Either way, that's an incredible shot. Shots already fired in his general direction, cleared the holster and fired a single effective shot at a distance. Armed people all go in to make sure he's no longer a threat and at the same time someone rushes over to help those who were shot. Terrible situation but it's good to see there's people out there willing to protect, defend and help their fellow man like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted December 29, 2019 at 09:54 PM Author Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 09:54 PM Looks like there are multiple guys with guns. I am guessing the guy at the top left of the screen took the shot that took him down, but it's not totally clear. After that four or five other guys with guns drawn move to the front. Not a good church to attack! I counted 5 including the one who took the bad guy out with his first round. It looks like the offender was using a shotgun with no shoulder stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted December 29, 2019 at 10:19 PM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 10:19 PM And they want to make it illegal to carry in churches in this state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted December 29, 2019 at 10:37 PM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 10:37 PM Video taken down. I still sat the fatal shot came from someone on the floor just a few feet right of Satan. The muzzle flash is clearly projected on the wall around Satan and then he drops like a rock. ^ this *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmyers Posted December 29, 2019 at 10:52 PM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 10:52 PM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5NzuGSkL2E John reporting on the incident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted December 29, 2019 at 11:20 PM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 11:20 PM Video taken down. I still sat the fatal shot came from someone on the floor just a few feet right of Satan. The muzzle flash is clearly projected on the wall around Satan and then he drops like a rock. ^ this *** I certainly may be wrong, but the muzzle flash projection I see would not be from the defender about 50 feet to the left. ^ this *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawman Posted December 29, 2019 at 11:48 PM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 11:48 PM Video of attack here (warning for violence). Shows how quick it went down and was over. Matter of seconds https://streamable.com/m8slySays video removed for violating terms of service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy6862 Posted December 29, 2019 at 11:54 PM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 11:54 PM you can see video at americanjoeshow.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawman Posted December 29, 2019 at 11:54 PM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 11:54 PM Video still up here for the moment: https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article238811603.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglebob Posted December 30, 2019 at 12:58 AM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 12:58 AM It was refreshing to hear the police chief, sheriff, and fbi special agent, and regional director of the Texas Department of Public Safety praise the armed parishioners who responded taking out the killer. I gather at least 5 people responded moving toward the gunman. Sounds like he was taken out by a single shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kk5 Posted December 30, 2019 at 01:02 AM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 01:02 AM Video taken down. I still sat the fatal shot came from someone on the floor just a few feet right of Satan. The muzzle flash is clearly projected on the wall around Satan and then he drops like a rock. ^ this ***I certainly may be wrong, but the muzzle flash projection I see would not be from the defender about 50 feet to the left. ^ this *** Not discounting this but the guy on the left did get a round off. When played frame by frame the slide goes to the rear and the muzzle rises from recoil.the perp may have got hit twice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRApistol Posted December 30, 2019 at 01:32 AM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 01:32 AM The wolf attacked the flock and the sheepdogs did their jobs. It appeared to me that the sheepdogs had some sort ot training, 2 hands on gun, fairly good muzzle control, armed member near the entrance during service, and no unnecessary shots fired. I suspect a church security team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted December 30, 2019 at 01:51 AM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 01:51 AM The wolf attacked the flock and the sheepdogs did their jobs. It appeared to me that the sheepdogs had some sort ot training, 2 hands on gun, fairly good muzzle control, armed member near the entrance during service, and no unnecessary shots fired. I suspect a church security team.Watts is very upset about the good guys stopping it https://www.mom-at-arms.com/post/shannon-watts-responds-to-armed-heroes-who-stopped-engaged-texas-church-shooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted December 30, 2019 at 02:15 AM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 02:15 AM Did the two church members who were shot attempt to draw? It looked kind of like it to me. I noticed flash near bad guy when he went down. Wondered if that was from his shotgun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaeghl Posted December 30, 2019 at 03:40 AM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 03:40 AM The wolf attacked the flock and the sheepdogs did their jobs. It appeared to me that the sheepdogs had some sort ot training, 2 hands on gun, fairly good muzzle control, armed member near the entrance during service, and no unnecessary shots fired. I suspect a church security team.Watts is very upset about the good guys stopping it https://www.mom-at-arms.com/post/shannon-watts-responds-to-armed-heroes-who-stopped-engaged-texas-church-shooter At first reading, it seemed that Shannon (1/2) Watts, a.k.a. dim bulb, (since the dimmest bulb you can get is a 1/2 watt bulb) said that an armed church member shot another member....not the bad guy. I believe she phrased it that way on purpose.....since all that the dimbulb can do is lie like the filthy (*%# she obviously is. JMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted December 30, 2019 at 04:47 AM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 04:47 AM HOLY CRAP!! CBS Channel 23, Rockford actually reported upon this as one of their top stories and credited the armed church members with firing upon the gunman and taking him down before the shooter could claim more victims. I can't believe it! This news outlet usually carries the water for the left and follows the left narrative. Have I entered an alternative universe where the mainstream media reports the news as it should? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted December 30, 2019 at 06:21 AM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 06:21 AM The wolf attacked the flock and the sheepdogs did their jobs. It appeared to me that the sheepdogs had some sort ot training, 2 hands on gun, fairly good muzzle control, armed member near the entrance during service, and no unnecessary shots fired. I suspect a church security team. Watts is very upset about the good guys stopping ithttps://www.mom-at-arms.com/post/shannon-watts-responds-to-armed-heroes-who-stopped-engaged-texas-church-shooter At first reading, it seemed that Shannon (1/2) Watts, a.k.a. dim bulb, (since the dimmest bulb you can get is a 1/2 watt bulb) said that an armed church member shot another member....not the bad guy. I believe she phrased it that way on purpose.....since all that the dimbulb can do is lie like the filthy (*%# she obviously is. JMHOThat article is spreading rapidly. Been sent out by numerous pro-gun groups and even the DC project. It was a VERY bad move on Wattss part. They tried to spin it in their favor and failed miserably. Theyre trying to make it seem like the bad guy was following Texas law (pretty sure you cant legally conceal a pistol grip shotgun). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted December 30, 2019 at 08:24 AM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 08:24 AM I think that it would be appropriate that if anyone EVER says, "So-called 'good guys with guns' never stop mass shooters" that an old-style CRT 26" television playing on endless repeat the video of this incident be placed on the speaker's chest, with the screen blaring it in their face, until they literally lose the ability to ever spout that kind of nonsense again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoke33 Posted December 30, 2019 at 02:54 PM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 02:54 PM HOLY CRAP!! CBS Channel 23, Rockford actually reported upon this as one of their top stories and credited the armed church members with firing upon the gunman and taking him down before the shooter could claim more victims. I can't believe it! This news outlet usually carries the water for the left and follows the left narrative. Have I entered an alternative universe where the mainstream media reports the news as it should? WGN briefly reported on it this morning and said it was members of the security team that took the bad guy out. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted December 30, 2019 at 03:11 PM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 03:11 PM Both CBS News and CNN reported on this, crediting the armed security team.Both also mentioned the other armed parishioners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oohrah Posted December 30, 2019 at 03:41 PM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 03:41 PM The "armed security team" were parishioners, church volunteers who had training to help provide security. This got a lot more attention after the Sutherland Springs shooting, but it has been legal to carry in churches since the 90s. And, I have not yet seen any church post against concealed carry. The first victim was a security guard, probably taken by surprise. The second victim was a congregant who stood to draw his concealed weapon and drew the attention of the shooter, likely fumbling his draw. It was noted that this action probably distracted the shooter, allowing the other defender to take him down. I also read somewhere that he was retired LEO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaeghl Posted December 30, 2019 at 03:42 PM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 03:42 PM HOLY CRAP!! CBS Channel 23, Rockford actually reported upon this as one of their top stories and credited the armed church members with firing upon the gunman and taking him down before the shooter could claim more victims. I can't believe it! This news outlet usually carries the water for the left and follows the left narrative. Have I entered an alternative universe where the mainstream media reports the news as it should? The nominal 'head' of the on air news team, Mr. Andrew 'Andy' Gannon, has always been a ready talking head for any and all anti-rights leaning propaganda. His anti stance is obvious in any reference to firearms and firearm rights. That the newsroom producers at Channel 23 even allowed this be broadcast is astonishing. I imagine there might have been words in the production meeting the next morning.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted December 30, 2019 at 03:49 PM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 03:49 PM Good DGU shoot. It's hard to watch knowing that innocent people got murdered, but that's the way of the world sometimes. MDA will adjust their messaging once they get word from their overlord on this. It will be something like "all people deserve to be safe and free from guns". They live in a bubble and think that the world is as they imagine it. It's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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