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#1 EngChi

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Posted 09 January 2016 - 11:35 AM

A question to the forum  is in the topic title - with CLEO sign off likely to be removed , what (if anything) could be done to bring NFA items to IL. In particular I am interested in sound suppressors as health and public nuance issue...  if (God forbid) I have to ever use a gun inside of the home, I would love the option to suppress it , as the idea of having to run around looking for hearing protection to put on wife, 4 year old, and new born at the same time, or near certainty of dealing with long term/permanent hearing damage is not a fun one..

 

What could be done other than moving to Indiana?

 

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Posted 09 January 2016 - 11:47 AM

Suppressors and autos are banned by name so the only way to get those is to pass a law to the contrary. Doubtful full autos will ever be available to us.

 

But seems like every year they bring up a bill to allow us to own suppressors and it gets shot down.

I agree that it just makes sense to allow us to use suppressors. Our hearing is more important than some fantasy the antis have that everyone is gonna be running around like ninja assassins after passing that bill. Just more non-reality based fear mongering legislating from your IL government. What else is new. If you can get out just do it. You're better off for many other non-gun related reasons as well.


Edited by mic6010, 09 January 2016 - 11:48 AM.

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Posted 09 January 2016 - 11:52 AM

Well, we got SBR's in IL
I'm certain getting suppressor's is realistic. We have the right people working on that and I think they can get it done.

I wish legislators had to prove their reason for infringing on our constitutional right. The fact is that these NFA items are not used for criminal purposes.

Edited by KarlJ, 09 January 2016 - 11:58 AM.

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Posted 09 January 2016 - 12:45 PM

aside from court action nothing I fear


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Posted 09 January 2016 - 01:30 PM

Well, we got SBR's in IL
We have watered-down SBRs, they can have <16in barrels, but still need to be >27in OAL Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk

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Posted 09 January 2016 - 03:07 PM

I would like to see the following, in order:

 

1) Remove FFL03 requirement for NFA (SBR) ownership (this is now redundant as of 180 days of filing 41F in the Federal Register, approximately July).

2) Allow trusts to hold NFA items

3) Suppressors

4) Machine guns



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Posted 09 January 2016 - 03:10 PM

 

Well, we got SBR's in IL
We have watered-down SBRs, they can have <16in barrels, but still need to be >27in OAL Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk

 

 

OAL requirement is 26" or greater.

 

http://www.ilga.gov/...SeqEnd=71300000



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Posted 09 January 2016 - 03:06 PM

I would like to see the following, in order:
 
1) Remove FFL03 requirement for NFA (SBR) ownership (this is now redundant as of 180 days of filing 41F in the Federal Register, approximately July).
2) Allow trusts to hold NFA items
3) Suppressors
4) Machine guns

1.5) Remove 26in OAL requirement for SBRs

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Edited by defaultdotxbe, 09 January 2016 - 03:07 PM.

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Posted 09 January 2016 - 03:13 PM

 

I would like to see the following, in order:
 
1) Remove FFL03 requirement for NFA (SBR) ownership (this is now redundant as of 180 days of filing 41F in the Federal Register, approximately July).
2) Allow trusts to hold NFA items
3) Suppressors
4) Machine guns

1.5) Remove 26in OAL requirement for SBRs

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+1

 

Forgot about that one.  The only reason I personally would like to see it is I'm a HK PDW fan :)



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Posted 09 January 2016 - 03:22 PM

Yeah I was gonna say, aside from pointless sub guns that shoot pistol rounds pretty much any rifle SBR is greater than 26 inches.

Practically speaking you're not losing much of anything really. A semi auto MP5 might as well just be a Glock 17 instead.


Edited by mic6010, 09 January 2016 - 03:23 PM.

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Posted 09 January 2016 - 10:03 PM

I think we have a fair chance of getting suppressors in the next few years.  So many states have already approved them, what 5 states left?  Illinois does seem to like being the very, very last.


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Posted 10 January 2016 - 07:23 AM

During the Town Hall meeting, POTUS referred to suppressors as "dangerous weapons." My hearing protectors are dangerous, too, if I use them as a blunt object.
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Posted 10 January 2016 - 02:56 PM

I think we have a fair chance of getting suppressors in the next few years.  So many states have already approved them, what 5 states left?  Illinois does seem to like being the very, very last.


The big sticking point is Madigan and Cullerton. Once they've retired or voted out (or in Madigan's case, die of old age) then we have a chance of getting something done. Let's not forget that Illinois is very-pro gun, it's just that we've been held hostage by people like Madigan and a long string of anti-gun governors forever, and now that we have a pro-gun governor, we just need a pro-gun speaker in the House and Senate. We already have the necessary support in the general assembly.
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Posted 12 January 2016 - 03:27 PM

Has there been any progress on HB0433? Looks like we just added another cosponsor



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Posted 12 January 2016 - 06:38 PM

 

I think we have a fair chance of getting suppressors in the next few years.  So many states have already approved them, what 5 states left?  Illinois does seem to like being the very, very last.


The big sticking point is Madigan and Cullerton. Once they've retired or voted out (or in Madigan's case, die of old age) then we have a chance of getting something done. Let's not forget that Illinois is very-pro gun, it's just that we've been held hostage by people like Madigan and a long string of anti-gun governors forever, and now that we have a pro-gun governor, we just need a pro-gun speaker in the House and Senate. We already have the necessary support in the general assembly.

 

 

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Posted 12 January 2016 - 07:20 PM

I think we have a fair chance of getting suppressors in the next few years.  So many states have already approved them, what 5 states left?  Illinois does seem to like being the very, very last.

 

I hope you're right but think you're nuts unless there is some court case pending


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Posted 12 January 2016 - 11:30 PM

Still need to get rid of Tax and Registration.


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Posted 13 January 2016 - 08:23 PM

Todd us usually up on all this NFA stuff. 

I haven't seen any posts from him.

Anybody heard from him?

Maybe he's busy heading off Bloomberg and the Moms....


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Posted 15 January 2016 - 05:44 PM

Todd us usually up on all this NFA stuff. 
I haven't seen any posts from him.
Anybody heard from him?
Maybe he's busy heading off Bloomberg and the Moms....

He's been out at SHOTshow. Posting to Facebook fairly regularly.

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Posted 16 January 2016 - 08:41 AM

Todd us usually up on all this NFA stuff. 
I haven't seen any posts from him.
Anybody heard from him?
Maybe he's busy heading off Bloomberg and the Moms....

He's been out at SHOTshow. Posting to Facebook fairly regularly.
SHOT doesn't start till next week.
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Posted 16 January 2016 - 09:45 AM

Hecler40 said in post #7 that OAL requirement is >26 inches.  I know SBR stands for short barrel rifle, what does OAL stand for?


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Posted 16 January 2016 - 09:54 AM

I would absolutely love a Scorp Evo SBR or Kriss Vector SBR in 9mm with a sound suppressor and 3 round burst for home defense.


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Posted 16 January 2016 - 09:56 AM

Hecler40 said in post #7 that OAL requirement is >26 inches.  I know SBR stands for short barrel rifle, what does OAL stand for?

Over All Length


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Posted 16 January 2016 - 09:59 AM

Hecler40 said in post #7 that OAL requirement is >26 inches.  I know SBR stands for short barrel rifle, what does OAL stand for?


OverAllLength Length of the firearm from the end of the barrel to the opposite end. Stock extended.

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Posted 16 January 2016 - 02:56 PM

Todd us usually up on all this NFA stuff. 
I haven't seen any posts from him.
Anybody heard from him?
Maybe he's busy heading off Bloomberg and the Moms....

He's been out at SHOTshow. Posting to Facebook fairly regularly.
SHOT doesn't start till next week.
Pre-SHOT show festivities started yesterday. Today and tomorrow is multiple range days for various groups and manufacturers. Monday is the official Shot Show media range day and then the show starts on Tuesday. Most of the fun stuff is over by the time the show starts. It's the pre-show stuff that's super fun. When the show starts, it's all business. And parties but that's business too.

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Posted 29 February 2016 - 07:00 PM

 


 

Well, we got SBR's in IL

We have watered-down SBRs, they can have <16in barrels, but still need to be >27in OAL Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk

 
OAL requirement is 26" or greater.
 
http://www.ilga.gov/...SeqEnd=71300000


I believe this is a misreading of the law and have had this discussion with a number of people. Clarification was giving originally to ATF regarding the two clauses of the paragraph. In that clarification was pointed out that clauses A and B of the paragraph were fully independent of one another and complete within themselves. As the statute reads, one can own a rifle with a barrel (or barrels) less than 16" if:

A. the person has a C&R license, or 

 

B. the person is a member of a reenactment group, etc.; and the OAL > 26"

Thus, the way it is worded applies the OAL provision only if one does not have a C&R, but is a member of a reenactment group.

In most cases, it's a moot distinction, since the OAL of an AR type SBR is not likely to be shorter than 26" with stock fully extended. My 9" 300 BLK is 27.5 fully extended, excluding muzzle device.

Regarding silencers, I think it will come in the next toward or two.


Edited by lifebreath, 29 February 2016 - 07:05 PM.


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Posted 29 February 2016 - 08:28 PM

Well we all think the same thing on the OR interpretation. However, the ATF sees it differently and is not approving stamps on anything less than 26" no matter what the case A or B is. Ask me and my Brugger and Thomet TP9 how we know.

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Posted 01 March 2016 - 12:55 PM

Well, we got SBR's in IL
I'm certain getting suppressor's is realistic. We have the right people working on that and I think they can get it done.
I wish legislators had to prove their reason for infringing on our constitutional right. The fact is that these NFA items are not used for criminal purposes.


Didn't we essentially sneak the SBR law under Quinn's nose and got him to unknowingly sign it? If so, we should do the same for silencers.
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Posted 02 March 2016 - 12:50 PM

Yep! Somebody merely changed "and" to "or." It's amazing the difference one word can make.

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