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If he is really looking to suit them up....why not go all the way........how about making Dragon Skin Body armor standard issue for beat cops.... Might as well set them up to go to war.

 

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SOV-2000 armor is made of an overlapping series of high tensile strength ceramic discs encased in an sonic skin textile cover. Different layout configurations with variations in coverage are available.

AMI level III plates are fabricated using an outer 3 millimeters (0.12 in) MARS steel layer bonded to a compressed Dyneema backing, with a linex coating for spall reduction, resulting in a total plate thickness of approximately 1 inch (25 mm). AMI level III 12-inch (300 mm) × 14.5-inch (370 mm) plates weigh about 10 lb (4.5 kg) and 10-inch (250 mm) × 12-inch (300 mm) plates are about 9 lb (4.1 kg).

SOV-2000 is made of overlapping approximately 0.25-inch (6.4 mm) × 2-inch (51 mm) ceramic discs encased in a fabric cover. In evaluating the Dragon Skin system, it is important to note that while the external measurements of the Dragon Skin panel are 11.5 inches (290 mm) × 13.5 inches (340 mm), the area of level III coverage provided by the encased ceramic discs is 10 inches (250 mm) × 12 inches (300 mm); the fabric edges are not intended to provide ballistic protection. Weight of the SOV-2000 armor providing 10 inches (250 mm) × 12 inches (300 mm) of level III protection was approximately 5.5 lb (2.5 kg).

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I don't know if any of you critics of body armor and kevlar helmets have ever been shot... If not, take it from me, it is a singularly distressing situation to say the least. While I was on the job I had a wife and eventually I had three children, all of whom depended on me and expected me to come home at night. Now, I started out with a kevlar vest from Second Chance in 1974 and graduated through various iterations of "body armor", all worn for my own protection. So, as far as body armor is concerned, I am 100% in favor of, yes, even beat cops, wearing kevalr vests and in certain circumstances helmets.

 

Camo is an, "eh why?" for me. I just discussed some of this with a friend who is a Police Commissioner in a Wisconsin City (He is also a retired Commander from an urban Dept.). He made some arguments for both views. Pro and Con it is an issue that has proponents and detractors. To me, officer safety is an important factor to be a priority when possible and practical.

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I do know that this perception and reaction to the "mil;itarization" of police is fueled by emotion and not always logic. A police department is only a threat to the community if it has poor leadership and twisted goals.

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I don't know if any of you critics of body armor and kevlar helmets have ever been shot... If not, take it from me, it is a singularly distressing situation to say the least. While I was on the job I had a wife and eventually I had three children, all of whom depended on me and expected me to come home at night. Now, I started out with a kevlar vest from Second Chance in 1974 and graduated through various iterations of "body armor", all worn for my own protection. So, as far as body armor is concerned, I am 100% in favor of, yes, even beat cops, wearing kevalr vests and in certain circumstances helmets.

 

Camo is an, "eh why?" for me. I just discussed some of this with a friend who is a Police Commissioner in a Wisconsin City (He is also a retired Commander from an urban Dept.). He made some arguments for both views. Pro and Con it is an issue that has proponents and detractors. To me, officer safety is an important factor to be a priority when possible and practical.

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I do know that this perception and reaction to the "mil;itarization" of police is fueled by emotion and not always logic. A police department is only a threat to the community if it has poor leadership and twisted goals.

I was making a VERY specific point which is why I choose Dragon Skin as opposed to generic body armor. The Dragon Skin is supposedly available in Level V....which is the ability to withstand .338 Lapua AP ammo...Level IV is .30-06 AP. The point being the vest didn't pass testing supposedly....it is insanely heavy...to the point that it wouldn't be practical for military use by EOD personnel.......the point I was seeking to make being McStreetlights would probably do anything without thinking through why he was doing it. LE personnel should all have access to appropriate body armor and whatever other equipment they need...but there are rational limits.

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I may have misheard the earlier report. Hearing it now again, I believe they were reporting about the Chicago police equipping themselves with body cams, as in cameras. Not camo. Nothing to see here, keep calm and carry on.

Outstanding.....do you understand the difference between a sphincer and a sphynx? Hint...they react very differently to sand.

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It's laughable to see any LE dressed in camo wearing tac vests and kevlar ACH headgear- who in the world do they think they are?

They all need to get their testosterone levels checked.

Outside of specific situations I agree. There no reason a patrol officer shouldn't be in a regular uniform.

 

That said, many of us use weapons that were designed for military applications. For tactical applications that require it I see less of a problem.

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It's laughable to see any LE dressed in camo wearing tac vests and kevlar ACH headgear- who in the world do they think they are?

They all need to get their testosterone levels checked.

Outside of specific situations I agree. There no reason a patrol officer shouldn't be in a regular uniform.

 

That said, many of us use weapons that were designed for military applications. For tactical applications that require it I see less of a problem.

 

 

My point is this - a load of #4s, #2s, BBs or buckshot from a shotgun makes all that tactical gear, including body armor completely useless. You can't fight if you've been shot in the face, neck or if one or both hands / arms / legs have been shredded with multiple holes through them. It's completley naive for them (officers or mangaement) to think that any of that gear gives them an advantage in a gunfight.

I won't bring up the "militarization" of police forces because that's been beat to death.

 

However, A body armor vest should be standard equip for ALL LE especially since most of the scum they encounter who want to kill them will be using a 9mm or similar handgun with very little shooting experience.

 

Body cams - great! That would solve a lot of he said / she said situations in court.

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