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Looks like some people here are getting tired of winning.

My memory is not great so please refresh us on our wins. I remember a huge win a little over 5 years ago (first CCLs) then the start of little slides downward. Wait - we don't need to carry our FOID if we have a CCL - that's one. We have held off huge tragedies up until this point, so that is another win. OK 2 wins.

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According to Gallup, last October a majority of Americans were opposed to a ban on "assault rifles". This hasn't changed.

 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/243860/snapshot-majority-oppose-ban-assault-rifles.aspx

 

Nancy Pelosi isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. That said, I don't think she'd be running her mouth like this if she thought a Dem president could (or would) declare such an emergency. Matter of fact, President "phone and pen" Obama probably would have, if he thought he could have.

 

But don't be mad at Speaker Pelosi. She is just doing her part to make sure a Leftist is never elected POTUS again.

 

PS: Mrs. Pelosi and her cohorts think they can win elections with the eventual votes of those that come across the border illegally. If they thought the votes would go the other way, they would be down there standing guard with flamethrowers and pitchforks.

 

Even fewer Americans are demanding a wall be built on the southern border, yet here we are, wasting taxpayer dollars on this stunt and the inevitable taxpayer dollars on the years of legal battles that will ensue.

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I just hope that Trump doesn't sign this bill. He needs to veto it asap.

Veto it, shut the government down again until we get the entire wall and blame it all on the dems.

 

Well...there is video of trump saying he'd shut the Government down and accept responsibility for it. So, blaming the Democrats for that will only work for the Trump lovers of America. The Government shutdown was Trumps deal. I can blame the Democrats for not funding The Wall but not for the Government shutdown - Trump owns that.

 

Sad truth of the whole mess in America is that our Government, Democrats and Republicans alike, are responsible for it and We the People are being deliberately divided against ourselves while the Oligarchy and crooked Government (bought and paid for by The Oligarchy) continue to rape America wholesale.

 

We need to unite against our Government and fix them and then we call all go back to hating Democrats or Republicans.

 

VooDoo

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Our Current Civil War..




A Sobering, Eye Opening Analysis,







Dr. Jack Devere Minzey, born 6 October




1928- died April 8, 2018, was the Department Head of Education at Eastern Michigan University as well as a prolific author of numerous books, most of which were on the topic of Education and the Government role therein. (Editor's note) This was the last of his works:







Civil War: How do civil wars happen?




Dr. Jack Devere Minzey







Two or more sides disagree on who runs the




country. And they can't settle the question




through elections because they don't even




agree that elections are how you decide




who's in charge. That's the basic issue here. Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.







The Mueller investigation is about removing




President Trump from office and overturning




the results of an election. We all know that.




But it's not the first time they've done this.




The first time a Republican president was




elected this century, they said he didn’t




really win. The Supreme Court gave him




the election. There's a pattern here.







What do sure odds of the Democrats




rejecting the next Republican president




really mean? It means they don’t accept




the results of any election that they don’t




win. It means they don't believe that




transfers of power in this country are




determined by elections. That's a civil war.







There's no shooting. At least not unless




you count the attempt to kill a bunch of




Republicans at a charity baseball game




practice. But the Democrats have




rejected our system of government.







This isn't dissent. It's not disagreement.




You can hate the other party. You can




think they're the worst thing that ever




happened to the country. But then you




work harder to win the next election.




When you consistently reject the results




of elections that you don't win, what you




want is a dictatorship.







Your very own dictatorship.







The only legitimate exercise of power in




this country, according to Democrats,




is its own. Whenever Republicans exercise




power, it's inherently illegitimate. The




Democrats lost Congress. They lost the




White House. So what did they do?




They began trying to run the country




through Federal judges and bureaucrats.




Every time that a Federal judge issues




an order saying that the President of




the United States can't scratch his own




back without his say so, that's the




civil war.







Our system of government is based on the




constitution, but that's not the system that




runs this country. The Democrat's system




is that any part of government that it runs




gets total and unlimited power over




the country.







If the Democrats are in the White House,




then the president can do anything. And I




mean anything. He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance. He can use the IRS as his own police force and imprison




citizens who speak against him. He can




provide guns and money (Fast and Furious)




(Iran nuclear deal) to other countries to




support his own agenda, and watch while




one of America's Ambassador's is dragged




through the streets and murdered doing




nothing to aid our citizens. His power is




unlimited. He's a dictator.







But when Republicans get into the White




House, suddenly the President can't do




anything. He isn't even allowed to undo




the illegal alien amnesty that his




predecessor illegally invented.




A Democrat in the White House has




'discretion' to completely decide every




aspect of immigration policy.




A Republican doesn't even have the




'discretion' to reverse him. That's how




the game is played That's how our country




is run. Sad but true, although the left




hasn't yet won that particular fight.







When a Democrat is in the White House,




states aren’t even allowed to enforce




immigration law. But when a Republican is




in the White House, states can create




their own immigration laws. Under Obama,




a state wasn't allowed to go to the




bathroom without asking permission. But




under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around




saying that California is an independent




republic and sign treaties with other




countries. The Constitution has something




to say about that.







Whether it's Federal or State, Executive,




Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves




power around to run the country. If it




controls an institution, then that institution




is suddenly the supreme power in the land.




This is what I call a moving dictatorship.







Donald Trump has caused the Shadow




Government to come out of hiding:




Professional government is a guild. Like




medieval guilds. You can't serve in if




you're not a member. If you haven’t




been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals.




If you aren't in the club. And Trump isn’t




in the club. He brought in a bunch of




people who aren't in the club with him.







Now we're seeing what the pros do when




amateurs try to walk in on them. They




spy on them, they investigate them and




they send them to jail. They use the tools




of power to bring them down.







That's not a free country.







It's not a free country when FBI agents




who support Hillary take out an ‘insurance




policy' against Trump winning the election.




It's not a free country when Obama




officials engage in massive unmasking of




the opposition. It's not a free country




when the media responds to the other guy




winning by trying to ban the conservative




media that supported him from social media.




It's not a free country when all of the




above collude together to overturn an election




because the guy who wasn't supposed to




win did.







Have no doubt, we're in a civil war between




a conservative volunteer government and a




leftist Democrat professional government.



So when does the shooting start?


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Spot on, dumpnpump. Serious perspective and super thanks for sharing it. So, when does the shooting start?

 

That's my dilemma. That's why "they" (and it's not *just* The Democrats that want US disarmed - plenty of Republicans want our guns in the dirt as well) want US disarmed. "They" want US/We the People disarmed. There is little doubt left that this is a Government wide Agenda.

 

I do not see it as an issue of Dems against Republicans, Liberals against Conservatives, or Socialists against Capitalists so much as I see it as US against "Them". The Governors of the US no longer are responsive to the majority be they Democrats or Republicans...they are contemptuous of The Constitution and break their oaths of office to protect it at will and without care.

 

VooDoo

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According to Gallup, last October a majority of Americans were opposed to a ban on "assault rifles". This hasn't changed.

 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/243860/snapshot-majority-oppose-ban-assault-rifles.aspx

 

Nancy Pelosi isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. That said, I don't think she'd be running her mouth like this if she thought a Dem president could (or would) declare such an emergency. Matter of fact, President "phone and pen" Obama probably would have, if he thought he could have.

 

But don't be mad at Speaker Pelosi. She is just doing her part to make sure a Leftist is never elected POTUS again.

 

PS: Mrs. Pelosi and her cohorts think they can win elections with the eventual votes of those that come across the border illegally. If they thought the votes would go the other way, they would be down there standing guard with flamethrowers and pitchforks.

 

Even fewer Americans are demanding a wall be built on the southern border, yet here we are, wasting taxpayer dollars on this stunt and the inevitable taxpayer dollars on the years of legal battles that will ensue.

 

Can you give us a count of the "fewer Americans"? I know won't be in the count.

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Posted · Hidden by Lou, February 18, 2019 at 02:08 AM - No reason given
Hidden by Lou, February 18, 2019 at 02:08 AM - No reason given

 

Our Current Civil War..

A Sobering, Eye Opening Analysis,

Dr. Jack Devere Minzey, born 6 October

1928- died April 8, 2018, was the Department Head of Education at Eastern Michigan University as well as a prolific author of numerous books, most of which were on the topic of Education and the Government role therein. (Editor's note) This was the last of his works:

Civil War: How do civil wars happen?

Have no doubt, we're in a civil war between

a conservative volunteer government and a

leftist Democrat professional government.

 

So when does the shooting start?

 

 

dumpnpump... donate, please, to IC so you can edit your works after you publish. In this case, a smaller font would be appropriate.

 

As to the author of your quote, it seems obvious senility had set in quite some time ago.

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I just hope that Trump doesn't sign this bill. He needs to veto it asap.

 

Veto it, shut the government down again until we get the entire wall and blame it all on the dems.

Well...there is video of trump saying he'd shut the Government down and accept responsibility for it. So, blaming the Democrats for that will only work for the Trump lovers of America. The Government shutdown was Trumps deal. I can blame the Democrats for not funding The Wall but not for the Government shutdown - Trump owns that.

 

Sad truth of the whole mess in America is that our Government, Democrats and Republicans alike, are responsible for it and We the People are being deliberately divided against ourselves while the Oligarchy and crooked Government (bought and paid for by The Oligarchy) continue to rape America wholesale.

 

We need to unite against our Government and fix them and then we call all go back to hating Democrats or Republicans.

 

VooDoo

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Posted · Hidden by mauserme, February 18, 2019 at 12:23 PM - No reason given
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Even fewer Americans are demanding a wall be built on the southern border, yet here we are, wasting taxpayer dollars on this stunt and the inevitable taxpayer dollars on the years of legal battles that will ensue.

 

Stop making sense. Youâre gonna ruin the paranoid idiot buzz....

 

 

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Posted · Hidden by mauserme, February 18, 2019 at 10:46 PM - No reason given
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Probably me making fun of the paranoia.

 

Nancy gave fair warning. The Donald can cash in the national emergency card. So can the next dozen or hundred presidents.

 

Smart and wise people are careful in their actions, and mindful of precedent and consequence. Cash in a big card today, be prepared for somebody to cash a bigger card tomorrow.

 

Opening this can of worms over the “crisis” on our southern border is a short sighted action driven by trumps need to keep the noisy mouth foamers on board. I wonder if Kamala, Corey and crew will issue exec orders to bulldoze whatever picket fence the Donald builds.

 

 

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Trump just gave the ... left a new idea when/if they get a president elected. One mention of a school/workplace shooting and guns are suddenly a national emergency. It doesn't matter what Trump does now. They will try it and succeed. I wouldn't be surprised if they took it to the next level after that and sued in a 9th CA location just so they can say the court agrees.
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Before you all go spouting off in public how this might be used by dems in the future, you might want to catch up on your history research where executive orders are concerned...

EO's have been issued concerning arms and privately owned property in the past. This EO by Trump sets no NEW precedent at all.

If the dems use it against the American people, then the only thing that will change is the person/s the EO is directed at. The precedent is already set, and has been set, for decades now. Read the ACTUAL orders, not the cliff notes..

The TDS is strong here.. :Loony: :hyper:

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I don't recall ever calling anyone any names in this thread, at least nothing that would require deleting my earlier comment..

I shortened one because of concerns about fair use regulations. The one you're asking about looked as if you re-posted the same thing later in the thread.

 

If it isn't I apologize. Let me know. I can put it back if you'd like to edit it down a bit.

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Probably me making fun ...Yep, and that one too.

 

I thought the second one was pretty tame? Seems to be a lot of tolerance for liberal, LWW, etc.

 

And none for like comments about the trump faithful. For a gun rights forum, seems pretty sketchy. None of the national or other state forums I’m aware of seem to be moderated in such a manner. I guess Illinois is special.

 

 

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Probably me making fun ...Yep, and that one too.

I thought the second one was pretty tame? Seems to be a lot of tolerance for liberal, LWW, etc.

 

And none for like comments about the trump faithful. For a gun rights forum, seems pretty sketchy. None of the national or other state forums Im aware of seem to be moderated in such a manner. I guess Illinois is special.

 

 

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You might want to review the Code Of Conduct again. http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=18164

 

3. Personal attacks and flaming other members is forbidden. This includes disrespect, antagonism, baiting, name-calling and a host of other demeaning attributes. Spirited debate is encouraged and can occur without name-calling or slander. We acknowledge that disagreements are common among groups of diverse people who value individual rights, but ask that interactions remain civil. If you decide to engage in uncivil communication, pursue such matters off the board.

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I do not believe I have attacked any specific members here. If I have, please accept my apologies.

 

I have absolutely challenged mindless group think, bigotry and a whole host of other social BS that this forum allows. It reflects poorly on gun owners and gun rights organizations.

 

It alienates the “middle” who ultimately decide ALL politics. And guns are political. Soccer moms are the sweet spot of the middle. We lost them in droves because they are sick and tired of trump BS and do not want to be associated with the knuckle-draggers he brings to the party. Losing them set us up for years of anti-gun noise and BS.

 

Firing up the base in this state did jack squat for gun rights. No elections won, no stupid laws averted. It took a court to mandate concealed carry and that came with bizarre costs and restrictions.

 

Smart gun owners and smart gun rights organizations seek to expand gun ownership, shooting sports and gun fun. They do it without ineptly antagonizing and irritating the middle. If anyone has any doubt about the middle being irritated and antagonized, see last November’s election results.

 

Rant over for now.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I do not believe I have attacked any specific members here. If I have, please accept my apologies. I have absolutely challenged mindless group think, bigotry and a whole host of other social BS that this forum allows. It reflects poorly on gun owners and gun rights organizations. It alienates the “middle” who ultimately decide ALL politics. And guns are political. Soccer moms are the sweet spot of the middle. We lost them in droves because they are sick and tired of trump BS and do not want to be associated with the knuckle-draggers he brings to the party. Losing them set us up for years of anti-gun noise and BS. Firing up the base in this state did jack squat for gun rights. No elections won, no stupid laws averted. It took a court to mandate concealed carry and that came with bizarre costs and restrictions. Smart gun owners and smart gun rights organizations seek to expand gun ownership, shooting sports and gun fun. They do it without ineptly antagonizing and irritating the middle. If anyone has any doubt about the middle being irritated and antagonized, see last November’s election results. Rant over for now..... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

 

I agree with all of this, but please watch out saying "smart guns", you might give some anti's watching ideas.

 

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After is was announced that Trump may be declaring a national emergency to help get the US/Mexico border wall built, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi opens her yapper at the following link..

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/14/pelosi-warns-gop-that-a-democratic-president-could-declare-a-national-emergency-on-guns.htmlFor those that don't like to give clicks to CNBC and all of the other mass media liars..

 

 

Nancy Pelosi warns GOP that a Democratic president could declare gun violence a national emergency

 

 

 

 

  • House Speaker Nancy Pelosi warns Republicans on Thursday that a future Democratic president could declare gun violence a national emergency.
  • Her comments to reporters come shortly after the White House says the president would declare a national emergency in order to "build the wall, protect the border, and secure our great country."
  • "You want to talk about a national emergency? Let's talk about today," Pelosi says, referring to the first anniversary of the school shooting in Parkland, Florida, that left 17 dead on Feb. 14, 2018.

 

"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi warned Republicans on Thursday that a future Democratic president could declare gun violence a national emergency.

Her comments to reporters came shortly after the White House said President Donald Trump would declare a national emergency in order to "build the wall, protect the border, and secure our great country."

Pelosi said she was not advocating for Democrats to declare a national emergency but that Trump was establishing a precedent that should, at least, make Republicans nervous.

 

"If the president can declare an emergency on something he has created as an emergency, an illusion that he wants to convey, just think about what a president with different values can present to the American people," Pelosi said.

 

"You want to talk about a national emergency? Let's talk about today," Pelosi said, referring to the first anniversary of the school shooting in Parkland, Florida, that left 17 dead on Feb. 14, 2018.

She said the shooting was "another manifestation of the epidemic of gun violence in America."

"That's a national emergency. Why don't you declare that an emergency, Mr. President? I wish you would," she said. "But a Democratic president can do that. A Democratic president can declare emergencies as well."

Sen. Kamala Harris, who is running for president, echoed her fellow Californian's remarks in a post on Twitter, but stopped short of saying she would as president declare a national emergency.

"Declaring a national emergency over this President's vanity project is ridiculous," Harris wrote. "We don't need a wall. Instead, we should address the actual emergencies facing our country — everything from gun violence to the opioid crisis."

 

Sen. Elizabeth Warren, another 2020 contender, wrote on Twitter that gun violence, climate change and the country's opioid epidemic were all emergencies.

"Donald Trump's ridiculous wall is not an emergency," the Massachusetts Democrat wrote.

 

A national emergency declaration makes powers available to the executive that are otherwise impermissible, such as the reallocation of certain funds that have been appropriated by Congress. Scholars continue to debate the legality of emergency powers.

White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders downplayed the possible ramifications of Trump's expected national emergency declaration.

"Let's hope we don't have additional national security and humanitarian crises," she said."For those doubting the authority of the President to reallocate funds or use the military to assist in border patrol operations securing the border and to cease drug trafficking operations..https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/LSB10121.pdf"Chapter 15 of Title 10, U.S. Code —Military Support for Civilian Law Enforcement Agencies, however, provides general legislative authority for the armed forces to provide certain types of support to federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies, in particular in counterdrug and counterterrorism efforts. Such authorities might permit the military to provide indirect border security and immigration control assistance. These authorities permit the Department of Defense (DOD) to share information collected during the normal course of military operations; loan equipment and facilities; provide expert advice and training; and maintain and operate equipment. For federal law enforcement agencies, military personnel may be made available to maintain and operate equipment in conjunction with counterterrorism operations or the enforcement of counterdrug laws, immigration laws, and customs requirements. Military personnel are permitted under this authority to maintain and operate equipment only for specific purposes, including aerial reconnaissance and the detection, monitoring, and communication of air and sea traffic, and of surface traffic outside the United States or within 25 miles of U.S. borders, if first detected outside the border."

I take this statement to mean that by Pelosi's own admission the democrat party is actively engaged in a conspiracy against rights. Conspiracy against rights is a felony. Conspiracy against rights can potentially carry the death sentence or a life sentence.
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