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Posted 26 August 2019 - 09:05 PM

 

That means one more for an even 2/3 of the state's counties. There really has to be a way this 2/3 supermajority can be capitalized on to do something to move the needle for the entire state towards the anti-firearm-confiscation side. I am talking legislatively, not just feel-good platitudes.


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Posted 28 August 2019 - 11:00 PM

 

 

That means one more for an even 2/3 of the state's counties. There really has to be a way this 2/3 supermajority can be capitalized on to do something to move the needle for the entire state towards the anti-firearm-confiscation side. I am talking legislatively, not just feel-good platitudes.

 

Only way is to replace current state government with one where one house is representative of local government and not population.

The way the state government is setup it is impossible not have a majority biased representation by Chicago Democrats.

 


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Posted 08 October 2019 - 05:39 PM

Anyone here from Rock Island County? They could use your help:

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Posted 11 December 2019 - 05:53 PM

Anyone have any updates on Will county? I know they failed to pass a resolution at one point but is it dead in the water?
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Posted 12 December 2019 - 12:56 PM

Grundy Co will have a referendum question on the Nov 2020 ballot.

 

http://www.wcsjnews....1b07f6f5b7.html

 

Shall Grundy County oppose the passage of any bill where the Illinois General Assembly desires to restrict the individual right of United States citizens as protected by the second amendment?

 



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Posted 15 December 2019 - 04:54 PM

Grundy Co will have a referendum question on the Nov 2020 ballot.
 

http://www.wcsjnews....1b07f6f5b7.html
 
Shall Grundy County oppose the passage of any bill where the Illinois General Assembly desires to restrict the individual right of United States citizens as protected by the second amendment?[/size]


If that is question, then that is not same as sanctuary referendum. That is actually weak stance. Chicago Dems are going to be laughing, oh no Grundy county does not like our gun bill...

Even if that passes, still don't feel they should be considered a sanctuary county.
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Posted 15 December 2019 - 05:42 PM

The gun county sanctuary movement is spreading across the country. Was Illinois first to do this?
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Posted 15 December 2019 - 05:42 PM

Nevermind, just saw the other thread.
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Posted 15 December 2019 - 06:06 PM

If that is question, then that is not same as sanctuary referendum. That is actually weak stance. Chicago Dems are going to be laughing, oh no Grundy county does not like our gun bill...

Even if that passes, still don't feel they should be considered a sanctuary county.

 

 

If you went to the link and listened, that's not the wording they're using.  It's just an example.

 

And I'd like to see the Chicago Dem's come here and laugh in the Sheriff's face and see how that goes for them.

 

They've never, ever shown up here in any meaningful capacity that I'm aware of in my 50 plus years and my family has been heavily involved in this county politically since 1929.  Most of that time we had Dem sheriff's and they never put up with outsider's **** either.

 

I actually have nothing to do with what will be on the ballot as of right now now, but I can talk to the Co Board Chairman anytime I'd like. 

 

How exactly would you like me to tell him how you'd like it worded best?  This is going on the 2020 general election ballot.  It's a ballot question.  Something more than a cpl sentences won't work.

 

It's all symbolic and meaningless to me anyways.  The sheriff doesn't have to do what the resolution says and he can do the same without one.



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Posted 16 December 2019 - 02:34 PM

Grundy Co will have a referendum question on the Nov 2020 ballot.
 

http://www.wcsjnews....1b07f6f5b7.html
 
Shall Grundy County oppose the passage of any bill where the Illinois General Assembly desires to restrict the individual right of United States citizens as protected by the second amendment?[/size]


Outstanding! I have the language from White County if you need it. Shoot me a PM if you'd like. 18 Illinois counties did this last year, all 18 passed by an average of nearly 80% of voters...who also represent the jury pool. ;)
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Posted 16 December 2019 - 02:48 PM

I found a good paragraph near the end of the Effingham one.

 

NOW, THEREFORE, IT BE AND IS HEREBY RESOLVED that the People of Effingham County, Illinois, do hereby oppose the enactment of any legislation that would infringe upon the Right of the People to keep and bear arms and consider such laws to be unconstitutional and beyond lawful Legislative Authority.

 



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Posted 16 December 2019 - 05:36 PM

After all the "Whereas-es", the last line of the White County version reads:

"The People of White County, Illinois are OPPOSED to all attempts by the Illinois General Assembly, in violation of their Oath of Office, to infringe upon the Constitutional Right of the PEOPLE to Keep and Bear Arms."

Emphasis in original.

Edited by speedbump, 16 December 2019 - 05:38 PM.

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 05:55 PM

There was a thread shortly after the election that had the results and wording posted of all the counties that had it on the ballot. http://illinoiscarry...91#entry1180406

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 06:19 PM

One County has gotten to the point of authorizing the formation of a local militia 

 

https://www.lawenfor...itutional-laws/


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Posted 16 December 2019 - 08:03 PM

the last line of the White County version reads:

 

 

Obviously it's not in the form of a question, but it's just worded fancier than the rough draft/template my county board is starting from.

 

The board members will discuss/debate the exact final wording and then vote on the final version that will appear on the ballot.



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Posted 16 December 2019 - 08:52 PM

the last line of the White County version reads:

 
Obviously it's not in the form of a question, but it's just worded fancier than the rough draft/template my county board is starting from.
 
The board members will discuss/debate the exact final wording and then vote on the final version that will appear on the ballot.

The state's attorney liked that wording more than the other versions he'd seen, and recommended it be adopted without modification. It was best (IMHO) kept simple and to the point. Some versions get confusing about whether the YES or NO choice is in support or opposition of the "Whereas-es". Most of those I borrowed &/or modified from elsewhere when I wrote it. The resolution had already been approved months before. That was modified from the Madison County version, since they were reluctant to use the term "sanctuary." It was edited out, but I relied on stronger focus on oaths and Constitutionality.
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Posted 16 December 2019 - 08:57 PM

One County has gotten to the point of authorizing the formation of a local militia 
 
https://www.lawenfor...itutional-laws/


We should get that started in Southern IL

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 11:22 PM

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Posted 17 December 2019 - 09:29 AM

 

 

 

That means one more for an even 2/3 of the state's counties. There really has to be a way this 2/3 supermajority can be capitalized on to do something to move the needle for the entire state towards the anti-firearm-confiscation side. I am talking legislatively, not just feel-good platitudes.

 

Only way is to replace current state government with one where one house is representative of local government and not population.

The way the state government is setup it is impossible not have a majority biased representation by Chicago Democrats.

 

 

The Senate Districts are messed up.  THe concept of a Senate, even at state level, is to have one half of the Legislature to not be based on population, but equal representation by state, County, or other geographic divider.  That CONCEPT, is expressly to counter the mob rule, oppression by cities, etc. Basing it on Population, like Illinois does, just makes no sense.  Why even have it (if one wants a fair and equitable state government)?  It's just a worse rendition of the Reps.  Representatives MIGHT ebb and flow and have a more equal distribution/s[ of Republican and Democrat.  More chance in flipping a smaller pop area seat.  But, it guarantees, in a state like this to be skewed Dem forever (unless digital work force starts making Cities, less populated)..


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Posted 18 December 2019 - 10:37 PM

The Senate Districts are messed up.  THe concept of a Senate, even at state level, is to have one half of the Legislature to not be based on population, but equal representation by state, County, or other geographic divider.  That CONCEPT, is expressly to counter the mob rule, oppression by cities, etc. Basing it on Population, like Illinois does, just makes no sense.  Why even have it (if one wants a fair and equitable state government)?  It's just a worse rendition of the Reps.  Representatives MIGHT ebb and flow and have a more equal distribution/s[ of Republican and Democrat.  More chance in flipping a smaller pop area seat.  But, it guarantees, in a state like this to be skewed Dem forever (unless digital work force starts making Cities, less populated)..

It was like that most places before the US Supreme Court struck it down in Reynolds v. Sims.

Seems silly that imitating the Federal system could be wrong, but that happened. Most states went a similar way to IL; Nebraska eliminated it being the only state with a single house.



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Posted 20 December 2019 - 12:25 AM

What was the result of the Grundy County ballot question for 2A sanctuary?



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Posted 20 December 2019 - 08:06 AM

Um..........the question will appear on the ballot in the 2020 general election next November.



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Posted 20 December 2019 - 09:08 AM

The Senate Districts are messed up.  THe concept of a Senate, even at state level, is to have one half of the Legislature to not be based on population, but equal representation by state, County, or other geographic divider.  That CONCEPT, is expressly to counter the mob rule, oppression by cities, etc. Basing it on Population, like Illinois does, just makes no sense.  Why even have it (if one wants a fair and equitable state government)?  It's just a worse rendition of the Reps.  Representatives MIGHT ebb and flow and have a more equal distribution/s[ of Republican and Democrat.  More chance in flipping a smaller pop area seat.  But, it guarantees, in a state like this to be skewed Dem forever (unless digital work force starts making Cities, less populated)..


It was like that most places before the US Supreme Court struck it down in Reynolds v. Sims.
Seems silly that imitating the Federal system could be wrong, but that happened. Most states went a similar way to IL; Nebraska eliminated it being the only state with a single house.

Perhaps that needs to be challenged again.
The federal senators are elected by popular vote, use to be appointed by states, BUT they were supposed to be a check against congress(house) and 2 represent each state regardless of population. So the notion of 1 person 1 vote makes no sense, I guess maybe it was based on how it was argued and what question was being asked. We should have 1 senator per county, and that would be a check on the mobocracy.

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Posted 20 December 2019 - 11:39 AM

Um..........the question will appear on the ballot in the 2020 general election next November.

 

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Posted 21 December 2019 - 09:58 PM

https://ilbusinessda...ent-sanctuaries

66 counties in Illinois are now 2nd Amendment sanctuaries

...Sixty-six counties in the state are now under a Second Amendment sanctuary law or ordinance, according to updates from the website Gunrightswatch.com and media reports.

Those jurisdictions that have passed Second Amendment sanctuary ordinances and resolutions usually vow that they will not follow gun-control statutes they believe violate the U.S. Constitution. The declarations are not legally binding, but they do send a message to state lawmakers and others that the jurisdiction will fight such limitations on their right to bear arms....
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Posted 09 January 2020 - 02:17 PM

For those inquiring what a sanctuary represents, I hope this clarifies some things. SteveTA posted it in the Backroom, but this will allow open access in a related topic thread:

https://www.mom-at-a...59FvjADQmwqOujU
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Posted 16 January 2020 - 10:30 AM

Is there a list of people/organizations that are working on specific counties? 


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Posted 16 January 2020 - 11:36 PM

Is there a list of people/organizations that are working on specific counties?


No, it's completely spontaneous, and up to folks living in or near there. Once word starts spreading it usually grows rapidly.
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